Considering some people rely on apps from companies like Microsoft, Adobe, etc to be able to get their work done so they can make money to pay for food, housing, and other basic needs, then yes, those apps are as necessary as water and electricity.
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Apple Hit With Multibillion-Euro Lawsuit for 'Overcharging' App Store Users
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To power data centres & infrastructure? Yes I do actually. Be it on-prem, cloud providers or 3rd party data centres.
Ironically a lot of ex-colleagues at their businesses are actually bringing some of their systems back in house due to spiralling costs of having someone else host their stuff. Apple have spent billions on new "green" data centres over the last few years as well as billions on 3rd party data centres - how do you expect Apple to pay for this if they are not taking a cut?
From a user perspective, all this blah blah about competition makes no sense to me. There are already more apps for iOS than I can ever possibly even look at let alone use.
I have no interest in multiple app stores as that just means more time spent looking for stuff. I see no advantage for me.
From a security standpoint, using multiple apps stores will inevitably be less secure and more complicated. I also expect multiple app stores to end up being a long term headache. What happens when one of them goes out of business?
I have no interest in multiple app stores as that just means more time spent looking for stuff. I see no advantage for me.
From a security standpoint, using multiple apps stores will inevitably be less secure and more complicated. I also expect multiple app stores to end up being a long term headache. What happens when one of them goes out of business?
Will McDonald's still get a cut of the sale if you buy a burger from someone else?
Because no matter who you buy an app from on the Apple App Store, Apple will still get a cut of the sale.
The cost of iOS apps is a tiny fraction of any real world budget. My iOS bill for the past 5 years is smaller than 1 months electric bill this past winter.
And there is the religious dogma that somehow more choices means less cost. That is not automatic. My bet is that if multiple app stores becomes a thing, that this will have no effect on the price I pay and only be a fight over who is getting what share of the money I paid out.
You must not run your own business and use apps (e.g. accounting) to run that business, otherwise you'd know that apps are every bit as necessary as utilities are.
Yes, and if I weren't I'd move someplace with cheaper prices, and moving is a much more difficult thing to do than to choose a different phone.
The same goes for Apple too. No one is forcing Apple to sell apps, in Netherlands, in EU, in China, and so on. No one is forcing Apple to sell iPhones, period. Apple should suck it up if it wants to sell in these regions. A country comes up with the laws that it thinks is best suited for its people. You want to do business in that country, you comply. No more dithering shenanigans by Apple. Things are getting serious now. They will bring Apple or any other big tech company to heel if they do not willingly comply.
Apple settled with the developers over a similar class action lawsuit with the developers in the US who sued that Apple was overcharging. Does that mean Apple agreed? https://www.macrumors.com/2022/01/14/developers-app-store-lawsuit-claim-submissions/.If so, this can be cosidered as a continuation of that, albeit from the consumers in the Netherlands. I mean, if they settled with the developers agreeing that they overcharged the commission, then does it not mean they overcharged from the consumers? As you sow, so you reap.
Is the developer going to start paying Apple to host and distribute their apps & updates on a per download basis or are they expecting Apple to do this for free? I'd love to hear your view on this.
A majority of apps are either really cheap, free or subscription based. How much cheaper are you expecting apps to actually get. More and more of the subscription based apps only offer a sigh in option in their apps and prices still go up not down
1. Create something of your own
2. Want to sell it on your own to iOS users
3. Can't because Apple won't let you. You have to use Apple's App store because Apple wants a cut.
Um.. so how is that a "free market" when Apple controls the market?
4. Ok. So you offer a free trial of app on Apple's App store and also let the user know they can get a discount if you subscribe to app service through them vs paying through Apple. Oops. Can't do that. Apple won't let you tell app users that because that would be competing against Apple (see: Netflix, Spotify)
Um.. so how is that a "free market"?
Developers would not make the cost lower, cause while they would have less commission, they would have higher costs covering the expenses that Apple does now.
This sort of stuff presents itself as being done on behalf of users, but that is BS... it is just a fight over who gets the money. My guess is that in the long run, it will cost users more and be less convenient.
Apple has to spend that money if it wants to sell iPhones. Lack of apps killed Windows OS phones. If Apple tries its shenanigans again, it will go the Windows phone way. Just because it is at the top, there is no gaurantee that it will not fall. Look at Nokia. Apple's fall will be steep and quick. Better for Apple to not take consumers for granted.
Personally I would like to see the days of "freemium" apps die! People are idiots and have fallen for IAP and subscriptions as being "better or cheaper" than buying apps/software.
I am still using MS Office 2007, want to know why? Because Microsoft has given me no reason to updgrade. Office 365 takes care of that problem for Microsloth because now you "rent" Office versus buying it.
Yes. Isn't that what the developer fee pays for?
Or is Apple going to start charging app developers who give their apps away for free (Amazon, Bank of America, Starbucks, Robinhood, Coinbase, Netflix, Uber, Grubhub, etc) a separate fee for hosting and distribution of their apps and updates on a per download basis? Or is Apple going to continue hosting and distributing their apps for free? I'd love to hear your view on this.
Developers set their own prices in the App Store... but somehow Apple is overcharging users?
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I think if there's no cut for Apple then that developer fee will see a significant increase to cover costs, don't you?
I'll play....
We all know that $99/yr does not come anywhere near covering the cost for a largely distributed free app like the ones from the companies you list so those costs are covered by funds collected via IAP or Subs of other apps. This is no different than other retail outlets like a convenience/gas market, they make pennies per gallon profit on gas and make their real profits from other products inside their store.
While I think companies like the ones you list should pay a much larger dev fee, perhaps based on actual distribution, they don't as Apple adopted a "one size fits all" approach which caters to indies. This plan has kind of backfired on devs as it makes the cost of entry very low which breeds copycats. I'd like to see IAP abolished and apps sold for their fair market value. This allows for Apple to make its fair commission on the sale as well as take away the ad supported model and the sale of our data.
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One can get to the apps from most major software companies multiple ways. Adobe for iOS is not a monopoly. Lumping apps into the same category as air, food, water and electricity is (name your adjective).