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Cool, they get richer and richer... So what when they don't spend these money on more research and development??? Where is the liquid metal? Where are the AR glasses? Where are the cutting edge 3D User Interfaces? Where are the curved glasses on desktop screens? Siri is still in Beta after a full year. 20% of the maps are covered by thick clouds and instead of spending these money on sending a satellite to space and take some really good photos they are sending apple store employers to tag the roads of their area. They milked the americans, they milked the europeans and they are milking now the chinese....

Is it apple getting tired or am I getting older?

Ay caramba! ( shakes head left and right ) Liquidmetal technology is not quite ready yet for full cases. Apple maps will take a while to mature, just like Google maps did when they first came out.

Satellite in space?!? Sending another satellite to space won't solve the cloud cover issue.
 
Cool, they get richer and richer... So what when they don't spend these money on more research and development??? Where is the liquid metal? Where are the AR glasses? Where are the cutting edge 3D User Interfaces? Where are the curved glasses on desktop screens? Siri is still in Beta after a full year. 20% of the maps are covered by thick clouds and instead of spending these money on sending a satellite to space and take some really good photos they are sending apple store employers to tag the roads of their area. They milked the americans, they milked the europeans and they are milking now the chinese....

Are we getting a little impatient?

They're spending a fortune on R&D, but money does not R&D make. Apple needs to hire the most competend engineers and brilliant minds, and no amount of money is going to create them.

Also, why should they be spending a fortune on such loosers as 3D, just because a few people want it? 3D bombed back in the 50's and the only current successes are not because of 3D but because of the rest of the presentation.
 
Are we getting a little impatient?

They're spending a fortune on R&D, but money does not R&D make. Apple needs to hire the most competend engineers and brilliant minds, and no amount of money is going to create them.

Also, why should they be spending a fortune on such loosers as 3D, just because a few people want it? 3D bombed back in the 50's and the only current successes are not because of 3D but because of the rest of the presentation.

I think nobody really cares about 3D. Manufactures have been trying to sell 3D devices for years ( Like TV's ) Its a cool gimmick, but thats all.
 
And they sold more iPads than any PC maker sold all of their PCs put together.
No, they haven't.

Either way, they are two different devices. You might as well compare iPods and iPhones as well.

Fact is that a lot of people have purchased iPhones, iPads, and iPods instead of PCs because these devices feature everything they would have used a full-blown computer for. So, they certainly have caused a slowdown in PC sales.
 
*sighs*

i really don't get why Mac market share is still very small compared to Windows....any idea when Apple will man up and have 60% market share of the PC market?
 
Apple seems to be playing it perfectly to me.


If you are making record profits off idevices that have huge profit margins why would you even want to think about things like the imac pro or mini? The profit margins are way lower, the RD costs more money, you lose manufacturing room for idevices and you have to allocate

A list of reasons why it makes no sense for Apple to update mini, imac or pro:

1. Already making record profits off idevices
2. Profit margins way higher on idevices
3. Wasting money on RD
4. Lose manufacturing room that could be used for idevices
5. Wasted shelf space that could be used for idevices
6. Customers spending their money on lower profit macs instead of higher profit idevices.



Dont get me wrong I would love to have my first iMac but it is not logical for them to upgrade it and I am not getting ripped off by the old stuff.
 
Anamatedude stated: *sighs*

i really don't get why Mac market share is still very small compared to Windows....any idea when Apple will man up and have 60% market share of the PC market?

Bottom line, 2006-2012 4% to 14% market share of "PC's". This is a small partial return to the Apple ][ era, but on a far larger base. The fact it took from 1978 to 2012 is sad, but hey, winners can't be whiners, eh?

Rocketman

Just as you don't measure your success by how many hours you work each week but by how much $ you bring home, a company doesn't measure its success by market share, but by net profits. Seeing as how they have $1B+ in the bank, I think Apple is by far the current leader, hands down.
 
Mac Pro replacement

Apple has shown us some add-on strategies, such as the MacBook Air plus a Thunderbolt Display. Perhaps the Mac Pro can be replaced with an 27" iMac plus a Thunderbolt expander box where you can add special purpose cards and more drives. Or a Thunderbolt cable to join two 27" iMacs together to get an 8 core machine with more memory?

The big Mac Pro box is dated.

But will this increase overall sales???
 
Apple has shown us some add-on strategies, such as the MacBook Air plus a Thunderbolt Display. Perhaps the Mac Pro can be replaced with an 27" iMac plus a Thunderbolt expander box where you can add special purpose cards and more drives. Or a Thunderbolt cable to join two 27" iMacs together to get an 8 core machine with more memory?

The big Mac Pro box is dated.

I totally agree. The next Mac Pro will certainly be the last. An iMac with Thunderbolt will enable anyone to power and configure their system any way they want. Even the current MacBook Pro Retina is far superior to the current Mac Pro.

I used to make parts for the Cray Super Computers back in the 80's, which cost millions of $ each. The MacBook Pro Retina puts the Cray to shame.
 
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Personal computers are extremely low profit business. IBM exited it for higher value added consulting service. HP and Dell are horrible investments and companies that have rounds of layoff. Do you really think comparing Apple's PC volume to them bears significant for Tim? No, the future of Apple is not in shipping more computers, but integrating your whole life: work, mobile, entertainment, files, cloud, media. They want to make money from everything you do: raising kids, commuting, every single payment you make with phone, passbook, every map query u make, every business u found from your iPhone map or safari and visited, every ad u watch or touch. It will meet you at airline check in counter, pilot's cockpit, food truck's cashier, salesman's tool bag, doctor's office, your son's baseball game, etc. It wants to expands it ecosystem beyond email, messaging, iCloud, location tracking, reminder, map, apps, because google already does that too. It wants to leverage its physical reaches google does not have, thru its control and right integration of devices. Its control on both hardware and the cloud is always an advantage google or Microsoft of the world will never have, and absolutely difficult for competitor to replicate.
 
HP in the lead?? HP makes the worst PCs. If you want Windows/Linux, get a Dell, Acer, Asus, or anything else besides HP. This just shows that over-advertising works. Maybe the Dretards are buying it for the Beats logo?
 
For 99% of the users the current machines are adequate. Even my 2008 MacPro which I use for intensive audio production still holds up very well.

"Adequate" would be ok... if the thing were like $800-1000. But it's not.
 
Desktop Computers is what made Apple.

And those of us who stood by you through thick and thin are being totally neglected.

I need a new desktop, ideally an iMac.

Have I really got to look elsewhere?

If you can't deliver now, have the decency and honesty to tell us when you might.

Why are we waiting? With all those profits, surely you can invest in iMacs for the faithful
 
And they sold more iPads than any PC maker sold all of their PCs put together.

An iPad is a PC in most ways that matter: it replaces them for a great many people and a great many tasks! (For now, that sometimes means hanging on to an old “traditional” computer and simply not upgrading to a new one. Still a replacement sale that Apple gets and the PC makers don’t.)

Exactly. There are a lot of casual home users who are buying tablets instead of PCs. In fact, even the term "personal computer" is due for an overhaul, because the increasing capacity and abilities of tablets, combined with the shrinking profiles of laptops make drawing the line between what is and is not a PC a bit arbitrary.

The personal computing device market is booming. It's just that the market for what used to be called a PC is shrinking. I was going to include a description of the qualities that differentiated a PC from other computing devices, but I couldn't come up with one.
 
Here is the problem for me. They have not updated the iMac in 526 Days and the Mac Mini in 448 Days but they still charge the same amount for these machines and options as they did when they were release. We all know the cost of these components have come down. I really do not see a major R&D effort to update some of the components or at least lower the cost.

Example:

Mac Mini upgrade for 256MB SSD is $600 over the default cost of the 500GB Drive.

New MacBook Pro update for 256MB SSD is $500 over the default cost of the 500GB Drive.

Both are two high. But shouldn't they "at least" lower the update cost on the Mac Mini even though it is not a new machine? Also, couldn't they also low the cost of the base machine because they are using such OLD Components that have certainly came down in price from when they started selling them.

Coming from Windows I would always just have my machine built at the local store and would simply get the current CPU and other components. I would not start with a CPU with a couple of years before.

And regards to an iMac upgrade. 1tb to 256gb ssd is $500. You can also get a 1tb and 256gb ssd for $600. And again this machine has not changed in 526 days.
 
There isn't an excuse. There really isn't. The chips are there, and other companies manage it. I hope I'm being naive, and I hope somebody can explain why they don't do it, because I'm simply in the dark with it.

The reason is simple. Apple makes higher profits by doing what they do. If there was a lot of profit in releasing new desktops, Apple would be on it like stink on sheet.
 
Guesses!

Folks, these are mostly guesses. And that's one reason Gartner and IDC always disagree. It's not like they've never been wrong.

We need to see all real numbers, and Apple's for one, won't be released until the 25th.
 
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