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That is pretty much true. The only reason not to buy the Mac is because you can't afford one. Notice that no one even tries to sell apple-like notebooks at apple-like prices.

It is no small secret that Apple products are expensive because the profits from hardware sales is partially used to fund their software side (which cost money to upkeep, but often bring in little/no revenue by themselves) such as itunes, imessage, icloud, cheaper apps on the app-store (eg: iworks suite vs ms office), iOS updates etc. This lets you do funky things when you own multiple mac products, so Apple actually has a pretty strong selling point.

Standalone PC makers have little to differentiate their products from their competitors except for specs, pricing and design (and honestly, the more they try to differentiate themselves from the air's design, the more I find their designs look like crap).

Lastly, I believe another reason is because the current impression of apple products is that they are expensive, but more powerful than windows computers (ie: you are paying a premium for quality). So no manufacturer would dare to price their own computers at apple-equivalent prices because when if you present a consumer with a windows laptop and an equivalently specc'ed macbook, they will likely opt for the apple product. So the manufacturers are literally caught between a rock and a hard place. They need to cut prices, and lower margins forces them to cut corners like using hybrid drives instead of ssds or cheap plastic casings.:)
 
It is no small secret that Apple products are expensive because the profits from hardware sales is partially used to fund their software side (which cost money to upkeep, but often bring in little/no revenue by themselves) such as itunes, imessage, icloud, cheaper apps on the app-store (eg: iworks suite vs ms office), iOS updates etc. This lets you do funky things when you own multiple mac products, so Apple actually has a pretty strong selling point.

Standalone PC makers have little to differentiate their products from their competitors except for specs, pricing and design (and honestly, the more they try to differentiate themselves from the air's design, the more I find their designs look like crap).

Lastly, I believe another reason is because the current impression of apple products is that they are expensive, but more powerful than windows computers (ie: you are paying a premium for quality). So no manufacturer would dare to price their own computers at apple-equivalent prices because when if you present a consumer with a windows laptop and an equivalently specc'ed macbook, they will likely opt for the apple product. So the manufacturers are literally caught between a rock and a hard place. They need to cut prices, and lower margins forces them to cut corners like using hybrid drives instead of ssds or cheap plastic casings.:)

There are plenty of well built - non-compromising PCs that sell both below and above prices that Apple charges. You can't make a blanket statement like that.

Obviously PC makers "suffer" from a lot of competition in the marketplace.

Personally - if I was going to run Windows (solely) - I wouldn't get an Apple product. I would get something I could customize and swap out parts with as my needs changed.

And while aesthetics are nice - at the end of the day - I'd rather have performance and flexibility.

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People who think Apple does not make good quality products are deluding themselves. But I'm sure the trolls will tell you different.

People who think Apple doesn't compromise are deluding themselves.
 
In a post PC era the iPad should be included. For many, not all the iPad has replaced their PC. Not to mention the iPad is responsible for the PC decline.
 
Really? If Apple took your advice they can never grow to the size it is now. There are priorities. Apple's priorities are not PRO consumers anymore, it's just average consumer. They don't need Mac Pro, Mini or iMac. They need mobile devices, portable notebooks, media etc. It's so easy to see this.

Yes, easy to see, but very sad for many of us who still favor desktop computing as well as mobile devices. It doesn't have to be just one or the other.
 
In a post PC era the iPad should be included. For many, not all the iPad has replaced their PC. Not to mention the iPad is responsible for the PC decline.

I don't think the iPad is not the only thing that caused the decline of the PC desktop. Laptops had something to do with it also. Touch screen still does not do well in some situations.

At one time Laptops were much more expensive then desktops, now the prices went down and are much more on par with desktops.
 
Whether that is true or not, can we please have a Mac-Midi? It is certainly technically possible and would be a bridge product like the IIsi was or the 9500. It wouldn't kill ya to make it cubical. :)

Rocketman

OMG! Mac IIsi was my first Mac (and I made sound bites out of tons of things with the new found sound input capability).
 
[blah blah blah, build my fantasy device, blah]

Is it apple getting tired or am I getting older?

...im not sure "older" is the word id use...

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* Waits for people to claim the death of Microsoft and PC OEMs and the post PC era is upon us

"post" means "after" -- not replacement. thus the post-PC era is the time after that when PCs were the only computing devices.

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It's sad to see, because I feel it's hard to defend Apple as a company these days. The very people who put them into business, and who stuck with them when everybody else was laughing in the late '90s and early '00s, are the very people who Apple now ignore and put on the back burner.

wow, thats so sad. can you start a change.org campaign?

I'm not one of those people; I'm a fairly recent convert. But still, my heart goes out to those who have essentially been screwed over.

oh phew -- thought i was going to have to send flowers. yeah, my heart goes out to those poor souls who are forced, FORCED! to use 2011's models... man. life sucks for them.

er wait, im one of those people -- and my 2011 27" 3.4ghz SSD imac is a screamer...renderings on my prior imac, which was useful for 6 years, took 5 mins and now take 40 seconds.

Update the damn Macs, Apple. Pull your finger out, and show people you're not a company that caters to hipsters. /rant

define hipster. im having a hard time boxing my senior citizen father, uncle, sister-in-law, etc into that label, so maybe im not understanding what a hipster is. cuz based on context im pretty sure it means "everybody else but me".
 
Only the MacRumors Staff can tout a quarterly loss of 6% as a "New High" for Apple. This cracks me up. :D
 
So wait, Apple actually lost some unit sales Year To Year for this quarter, you know, the figure that matters because profits are mostly related to unit sales, but we're celebrating because they lost less than the overall market ?

This is actually bad news... why is it being spinned and sugar coated into something positive ?

Lenovo is the only player that did well this quarter. Maybe if Apple had refreshed its entire line-up at WWDC like what was predicted. There was no reason not to put out a full Ivy Bridge line-up and an updated Mac Pro.

I already made this point, so no, not everyone is in celebration mode. In reality market share is a meaningless statistic. I'm sure Apple would greatly prefer to see a declining market share with growth in sales rather than the other way around. There's no profit in market share.

As for the Windows PC market, the players there have been swapping market share with each other for decades. One company will be way up one quarter, and way down the next. It doesn't mean a lot.
 
Really? If Apple took your advice they can never grow to the size it is now. There are priorities. Apple's priorities are not PRO consumers anymore, it's just average consumer. They don't need Mac Pro, Mini or iMac. They need mobile devices, portable notebooks, media etc. It's so easy to see this.

Apple's priorities are people who buy things.

If there were a million people willing to buy Mac Pros each year, they'd be getting yearly refreshes.
 
People who think Apple does not make good quality products are deluding themselves. But I'm sure the trolls will tell you different.

Apple continues to use unupgradeable mobile graphics cards in their iMacs.
I just cant wrap my head around that.

I don't need the power of the neglected mac pro. In my opinion, the mobile graphics card in a desktop alone qualifies the iMac as not a good quality product. Fair - sure but good - no. The first component to go obsolete on a PC is the video card and this mobile choice restricts the life of the computer greatly when compared to traditional PCs. Not only that, but the card is significantly weaker than its desktop counterpart and more prone to problems with overheating.

The iMac is a laptop without the advantages of a laptop.

Apple doesn't make a regular desktop computer.
 
Cool, they get richer and richer... So what when they don't spend these money on more research and development??? Where is the liquid metal? Where are the AR glasses? Where are the cutting edge 3D User Interfaces? Where are the curved glasses on desktop screens? Siri is still in Beta after a full year. 20% of the maps are covered by thick clouds and instead of spending these money on sending a satellite to space and take some really good photos they are sending apple store employers to tag the roads of their area. They milked the americans, they milked the europeans and they are milking now the chinese....

Is it apple getting tired or am I getting older?

There is much to commend this post, but why do people want curved screens. When I read a book with a tough spine so that the text bends towards the edge of the page, it annoys me. This is one of those "we all want it now" things that I just don't get.
 
Apple continues to use unupgradeable mobile graphics cards in their iMacs.
I just cant wrap my head around that.

I don't need the power of the neglected mac pro. In my opinion, the mobile graphics card in a desktop alone qualifies the iMac as not a good quality product. Fair - sure but good - no. The first component to go obsolete on a PC is the video card and this mobile choice restricts the life of the computer greatly when compared to traditional PCs. Not only that, but the card is significantly weaker than its desktop counterpart and more prone to problems with overheating.

The iMac is a laptop without the advantages of a laptop.

Apple doesn't make a regular desktop computer.

I'm mostly talking about build quality, not specs. Any all-in-one computer, regardless of manufacturer, is a pain to upgrade. I've always regarded the iMac more of laptop parts with a much larger screen. hence the non-upgradeable graphics card.

Just because it has built-in, non-upgradable graphic card, does not mean its not good build quality. If the graphic card does not meet your needs, you would have to choose another computer. But it meets the needs of many people.

There is much to commend this post, but why do people want curved screens. When I read a book with a tough spine so that the text bends towards the edge of the page, it annoys me. This is one of those "we all want it now" things that I just don't get.

Curved screens would probably be more expensive to build as well.
 
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When they build it cheap. Apple has always been about building the best quality products, not taking short cuts based on price.

When they will update their @#$%ing PC line! I don't care too much if iOS dies out (I have an iPhone, by the way), but Mac OS needs to be more popular. I'm so sick of Windows. It's that junky software that people force others to use, Microsoft leading sheep leading sheep leading sheep leading users who need custom PCs and have to use Windows.

Mac OS for PCs, Linux for custom semi-personal computers, custom gaming towers, and servers. That would be perfect. I don't care if Mac OS only gets 30% or even 5% market share as long as the rest is Linux, solid software.
 
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i really don't get why Mac market share is still very small compared to Windows....any idea when Apple will man up and have 60% market share of the PC market?

This "market share" counts the number of computers sold. Netbooks are counted here as well. A £200 netbook is one computer sold. A £1799 Retina MBP is one computer sold. They are counted the same by Garter's statistics. But what would you rather sell, and what do you think makes more money?

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Only the MacRumors Staff can tout a quarterly loss of 6% as a "New High" for Apple. This cracks me up. :D

Not only the MacRumors Staff. Fact is that there is a new device in the market, called the iPad, which is _not_ counted by Garter in PC shipments (unless the Netbooks), and which is taking huge numbers of sales away from the PC shipments that Garter counts. And in that environment, Apple lost some sales to iPads. I don't think they are unhappy with that at all. Still their relative strength in the PC market has grown. Strangely, others use the exact opposite argument to argue that Apple isn't successful: That their market share isn't higher than with the Apple II, even though the actual sales are many times higher.
 
Just an observation on the world wide numbers: Asus, the number 5 world wide, is the only one except for the leader Lenovo with actual sales growth. So even with Apple's share presumably growing, it will get harder to become #5 until Acer drops below Asus.
 
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