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True.. A year is not enough for anything.

Steve Jobs already thought this out years ahead, and set Apple up for this.....

Tim didn't actually do this from scratch. But good, never the less.
 
Even Lehman Brothers had high share prices for the industry, we all know what happened there. My concern, rises this high this quickly generally drop just as quickly.

As for "Peace's" comments, he's spot on. iPad's are one of the cheapest devices Apple sells. Of course they sell well. I've lost count how many times I've been privy to "Should I get an iPad or MacBook Air?" discussions.

In the meantime, people who actually use their systems for work (you know, making a living) are leaving for other platforms. Sure, Apple will thrive in the iDevices consumer market, and other companies will scoop up the fallout and make market gains. Keep in mind, I'm an OS X guy - always have been, but Windows still holds the largest market share in the OS department. =)

I use my iPad for work every day. So does every sales rep. Their laptop is a paper weight. No Windoze needed.
 
This is where you will wish the down vote was still around.

Tim is riding the coat tails of Steve Jobs. Give it another year so we can see what Tim really produces.

so if steve jobs did everything, what did tim cook do all these years?
 
iBeam Me

Apple should start development on a teleporter. If anyone has enough money to sink into such technology and make it eventually happen, it is Apple. They could call it the iBeamer. :)

:p:p:p
 
I would like to offer my Congrats to Tim and the crew at apple.

While I don't always agree with Apples business policies, Apple has maintained themselves as a technological leader in the field, who continues to produce quality parts.

Is time the grand innovator? probably not> thats not what he's there for. he's there to steer the ship, and clearly, financially he's done the job well.

I also much preffer Tim's fairly openness when it comes to things like the Fair labour trade, and finances. it was the one sector that job's lacked in

You hit the nail on the head - not to mention that although under Steve's leadership, the stock value rose, I have a feeling that Steve's disdain for playing by the financial market's rules had a limiting effect on just how far up the stock could go. Steve just wasn't the numbers guy that Wall Street wants and that certainly Tim Cook is more of.

I experienced something similar at a company I used to work for - a creative company, owned and run by a creative, brilliant, woman who had little to no experience doing things the traditional business way. Her style and business acumen were very close to how Steve Jobs was known to work.

Before she sold the company to a private equity company, it was a hip, cool, fun place to work that attracted tons of people, both consumers shopping in their stores and designers wanting to work there. That was the good - but the company also had hit the ceiling of where they could go given both the leader's lack of understanding how to take the company to the next level and not having the right people in place to fill the roles needed to go forward.

Now the company is run by number crunchers, more concerned with what they'll get out of the next sale of the company, than they are concerned about the brand and what the consumer and employees think of the company. That's the bad, but the good is that the company is more successful now, in the sense that they've been able to open more stores, sell more product and increase their net margins - all very important and positive things for any business. Gone are employees working long hours because they want the job to get done right. Gone are people approaching them wanting to work there.

Luckily, Tim Cook spent plenty of time working at Apple before taking the reigns as the CEO. He actually is fixing many of the things that Steve didn't do right. I think the company has a great future ahead of it.
 
No can do, sorry.

You can believe it now, or you can believe it after the fact, choice is yours. :)

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You know there is no way I can answer your question, right? :)

Sure, go for the bet, if you like.

No source means its not fact... I wouldnt go to the bank today bro

No, it does not mean it's not fact.

It means you aren't going be shown evidence that it is a fact, until after the fact. :)

Anyway, the safest thing for you to do is to put my comment in the rumor/speculation bin. Honestly, I won't be offended. :)

I certainly put what you said in the bin


This got really bizarre since dude pulled that "12 months from now" out of thin air and can't back it up.

Definitely throwing this in a bin, a trash bin.
 
No, it does not mean it's not fact.

It means you aren't going be shown evidence that it is a fact, until after the fact. :)

Anyway, the safest thing for you to do is to put my comment in the rumor/speculation bin. Honestly, I won't be offended. :)

Fascinating...um...ah...logic. Or something.:confused::rolleyes:
 
Common misconception but if you've been paying attention over the last 5+ years, you'd already be aware that Tim Cook has been playing an ever-increasing role at Apple, and I'd wager that he'd been the unofficial CEO for at least 2 years prior to Jobs' death. The idea that this is all new to Tim Cook and that he's still unproven is misguided.

If you read the biography of Steve Jobs, you'd know that he would NEVER let Tim Cook be the CEO unofficially, he had too much pride to do that.
 
When I said he was riding Steve's coat tails I meant he was working on stuff Steve already had going in R&D.

I want to see something Tim himself does.

I don't disagree with the fact that he can steer a mega ship. I'm referring to the creativity Steve had.

I haven't seen any of that from Tim yet.

Let's keep in mind Tim already made two mistakes in hiring that retail guy who screwed up in firing people and that God awful commercial.

Hate to use the term but Steve would have never allowed that.

Oh really? Steve would have never allowed that? What, did Steve Jobs become a part of your soul and now you know everything he does?

News flash buddy, Tim Cook knows Steve Jobs WAY more than you do. I don't recall you having worked with Steve closely for the last 15 years.

Steve Jobs didn't have a flawless track record when it came to hiring guys. Most recent example is Mark Papermaster. And Jobs wasn't perfect when it came to advertising, many bad ads came out under him.

Apple is Apple. Apple is not Steve. Steve was an irreplaceable person, but he wasn't the entire show. The brilliance of Steve was in spotting talent and picking and choosing their great ideas. Apple isn't some blossoming bud that still needs guidance from their father, they've fully grown into their own capable of making their own decisions. Sometimes they will make mistakes, but so did Steve, so don't be fooled into thinking that it's the "post Steve doomsday."
 
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I use my iPad for work every day. So does every sales rep. Their laptop is a paper weight. No Windoze needed.

This must be a U.S thing........

Defiantly not an international market thing.

You always hear "so many Macs running in businesses" which is good for Apple, but lets face it..... I yet yet to see one Mac here in Australia, that they use for business.

Thats pretty terrible.. This should change.


Apple should start development on a teleporter. If anyone has enough money to sink into such technology and make it eventually happen, it is Apple. They could call it the iBeamer. :)

:p:p:p


I'd buy one..... that way i could stop using my legs.
 
Didn't you know that Steve was the designer, engineer, programmer, marketer and deal maker for Apple? :D

He also personally answered the phone every time I phoned Apple and filled out my tax return for me every year between 2003 and 2010.
 
There is a fixation on the stock price which is a measure of sentiment about earnings and multiples driven by exogent events.

To get a better idea of Tim's performance, look to unit volumes, profit magnitude, customer satisfaction, product stickiness, new customer adoption, regional access and adoption and other business metrics.

Rocketman
 
When I said he was riding Steve's coat tails I meant he was working on stuff Steve already had going in R&D.

I want to see something Tim himself does.

I don't disagree with the fact that he can steer a mega ship. I'm referring to the creativity Steve had.

I haven't seen any of that from Tim yet.

Let's keep in mind Tim already made two mistakes in hiring that retail guy who screwed up in firing people and that God awful commercial.

Hate to use the term but Steve would have never allowed that.

I hope he wasn't the one that approved those commercials.
 
Lol if i had a nickel for everytime someone says something like this, i could sell my Apple stock and live off my nickels.

we've been hearing the "Apple better watch out" thing for some years now.

Ppl get too emotionally attached to corporations.

That's the very same reason why some people keep their stocks too long and don't sell ... Believe me, I was on your boat all the last years, but we have entered a zone where I at least get a bit more careful with my Apple stocks. (Which I still hold.)
 
The Dark Knight did amazing at the box office, as well as being a great film, it coasted on a wave of mourning of Heath Ledge and his stunning performance as the joker. The Dark Knight Rises, didn't fare as well, it's still very good. I believe what we're seeing here is the crest of the wave. I don't think Tim Cook can receive the full credit. 99% was already set in place before he became CEO. I don't see any revolutionary products that can be deemed Tim Cook's idea. I shall reserve judgement until a later date.
 
So far Tin Cook has done an excellent job as CEO. Most people don't appreciate what a tough job this is in such a high profile company

The real test is coming however , with the IPhone 5. Simply giving the people a bigger screen with a better CPU and more RAMM will not do the trick. The IPhone 5 will truly
Be the career determinant in Tim Cooks reign
Keep in mind it's all about INNOVATION! Not just sales. At this point in time Apple could sell anything but that would not bode well for the Ingenuity and talent that Apple is known for
 
Wish I could just upvote this ten thousand times.

Professionals and businesses spend more in one purchase than consumers do on one or two iPad's. Apple has catered to professionals and businesses for years, with many spending $100k+ for hardware and software licenses. It's a very common business model. Much of the funds Apple used for R&D for iOS and the iPad (then iPhone release) came from somewhere, and that somewhere was from the good amount of pro's who invested in [then current] solid hardware and with a great OS.

Now, Apple is selling more products at a cheaper cost, and selling less high end products (the CCFL Cinema Displays were fantastic, especially the 30" model, which itself cost thousands, and PowerMac's and PowerBook's were their bread and butter).

You need to take the numbers into account, it's much more complicated than what many here believe. As the professionals leave, Apple makes up for those losses with more consumers buying cheaper Apple products. Some may move to a MacBook (Pro) or a lower end iMac, some may not. The issue Apple may face is when, not if, the iPad/multitouch display trend will fade. ARM processors can only do so much, I cannot do my work on an iPad or even a high end Core i7 iMac. HD rendering would take forever, time=money. I also require desktop real estate, two displays are a minimum requirement in addition to an external monitor. I had four 23" ACD's with my PowerMac's and Mac Pro, they lasted for 7-8 years, well worth the investment. I replaced 2 with 24" LED LCD's from Apple, and it took five replacements to obtain a display that didn't suffer bleeding, banding, 20+ dead pixels, uneven panels, etc. Quality had suffered, especially as Apple went from "Made in America" to "Designed in California" (that's another matter).

Many need better upgradability, which is currently only allowed with the Mac Pro form. Businesses are already experiencing the frustrations with iMac's as they are not upgradable aside from RAM. If one iMac is down it is benched for a few days for repairs (and as a former Genius they are not easy to diagnose and repair) and thus businesses require backup system(s). The lack of an anti-glare option has been a sore point for design firms, and many prefer to use EIZO or other third party displays. A tower or mid-tower part could be swapped, upgraded, etc. on site, can use other third party displays and HID's and will last longer with newer parts. A much better financial investment. A firm using iPad's and iMac's would need to replace them all with new models in lieu of simply upgrading a graphics card, USB card, display, HDD/SSDs. That adds up, and many are feeling the financial pinch more with Apple products. A good friends law firm put a stop to Apple purchases for many reasons; limited upgradability, enterprise support, Apple's lack of disclosure on their products, general 3 year life span, etc all add to bad financial decisions compared to cheaper systems that can do the same job for much longer.

Certainly iDevices are convenient, but they are not heavy lifters and even "Pages" is very limiting compared to iWork in OS X. These are devices primarily for consuming. I often wonder when people claim the desktop is "dead", how will all those iOS app's be created? Some are tiring of constantly trying to "keep up" with the increasingly rapid life cycles of iDevices while desktop Mac's literally sit on the design bench (and the parts have been available for them for a while, this is on Apple's end).

I also chuckle with Facebook integration. Mark was very smart, he sold Facebook so well to many companies, Apple being number 1, that it's "too incorporated to fail". Apple has put so much stock (pun intended) in Facebook's success it's everywhere - with full integration in iOS and OS X. Zuckerberg knows Apple cannot afford to have Facebook fail as its stock tumbles. Very smart.

Sorry, but Apple isn't perfect, and if there isn't another "shake up" in tech from the company soon, it may have a reverse impact on its stock/image/strength/growth. I'm an Apple user, not for image (I can't carry my Mac Pro and displays to the corner coffee house) but as it has been a solid system and OS for my work needs. However, if we, as Apple stock holders and users, aren't critical and give excuses for the company it will falter. Yes, let's celebrate its strengths, but let's not be blind to its weaknesses.
 
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Apple is unstoppable. The stock goes up despite barely any new releases. Just the anticipation drives up the stock. Tim has mastered the supply lines; hopefully he has mastered the art of saying "no" that Steve had. I'm sure Steve was the one who originally said "no" to updating the pro lines and desktops. The iStuff is where the money is.
 
So far Tin Cook has done an excellent job as CEO. Most people don't appreciate what a tough job this is in such a high profile company

The real test is coming however , with the IPhone 5. Simply giving the people a bigger screen with a better CPU and more RAMM will not do the trick. The IPhone 5 will truly
Be the career determinant in Tim Cooks reign
Keep in mind it's all about INNOVATION! Not just sales. At this point in time Apple could sell anything but that would not bode well for the Ingenuity and talent that Apple is known for

Phones from here on out will just continue to be evolutionary improvements. As long as the new iPhone continues to evolve with nice features it will be sold in droves.

The iPhone5 is not going to be the test of Tim.

My personal belief isthat once a completely new product comes out (something like the highly rumored apple TV), that would be good test to see if Tim's leadership is guiding the company in the right direction as this could potentially be a revolutionary change.

As many folks have already noted, Tim has effectively been in charge much longer than a year, and the company seems to be doing just fine.

Steve was the leader that Apple needed at the time...maybe Tim is the right leader now...time will tell.
 
Apple is unstoppable. The stock goes up despite barely any new releases. Just the anticipation drives up the stock. Tim has mastered the supply lines; hopefully he has mastered the art of saying "no" that Steve had. I'm sure Steve was the one who originally said "no" to updating the pro lines and desktops. The iStuff is where the money is.

Oh Apple will fall, of that there can be no doubt.
Pretty much every company has it's golden moment and it's Apple's turn now.

We just see things over too short a time frame to see the happening, but it will.
 
This problem Apple may face is when, not if, the iPad/multitouch display trend will fade. ARM processors can only do so much, I cannot do my work on an iPad or even a high end Core i7 iMac. HD rendering would take forever, time=money. I also require desktop real estate, two displays are a minimum requirement in addition to an external monitor.

I understand where you're coming from, but the problem with this is even with the high price of "Pro" models, there aren't nearly enough users to justify Apple making those machines their number 1 priority.

The other difference here lies in the technology itself. For high end computers the technology has more or less plateaued. Incremental upgrades are all you really see in most all computers - consumer or "pro" - these days and when the expectation is that these machines should last 5+ years, why should you get upset when small upgrades aren't made every year?

On the other hand, mobile technology is currently booming (much the same way the computer age did) and upgrades and advancements are made on a quicker timetable. These devices also appeal to a much broader consumer base. I think it's safe to say that if the work you do can't be done on even the current quad core i7 iMacs, you are WAY in the minority.

Lastly, just because you feel your "pro" work requires such exceptional hardware doesn't mean there aren't those of us who use iOS devices and "regular" macbooks and iMacs for work - or to "make a living". The assumption of such a premise means you either have an inflated sense of importance or a very limited view of the world. It's fine for you to want upgraded hardware - but to assume that everyone thinks like you and that all of Apple's product announcements should conform to whatever it is you do for a living is absurd.

And who's to say ARM processors will be the only thing driving multitouch tablets int he future? We are only a few months away from seeing one driven by an i5 and as the technology progresses, the possibilities could be endless.
 
I was looking at the trajectory Apple Stock has taken since 07 with a buddy of mine who works for Apple...I kept thinking "what would life be like now if I had bought some stock back then" as it has ballooned by a factor of 6 since then!

I'd be able to afford this new house of mine no problem.:D


This is why the American economy is down.. Buy a house you can afford!
 
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