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Apple Holding iPhone 4 Press Conference on Friday

Woz4Prez said:
Yes. Design is unskilled labor. The iPhone uses glass instead of plastic. Do you need a degree or experience to come up with that idea? Or what colors to put on a web page? You know it's a joke.
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Newsflash: phones have been using glass for a while now. Nothing new.

Since you're so certain that industrial designers and Ive are insignificant, show us some of your designs. In fact, engineer a new iMac or iPhone, I'd love to learn everything you know, I'm sure Ive would be THRILLED.

PS you have to have engineering, especially with regards to electronics, to function as Ive. Ive doesn't simply draw something and saw "Eureka!"
 
ChrisTX said:
You guys screaming recall are ignorant of things. Why recall a product for a problem that clearly isn't affecting everyone? Give the 100 or so people that are truly convinced only after seeing the reports of reception issues a fix, and let the rest of us go about our business.
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Simple. You recall for marketing perception regardless if everyone wants to return their phones. It is all about brand. Apple's has been spotless until now. If the iPhone brand takes a substantial hit, Apple's stock continues to loose billions (literally).
 
Woz4Prez said:
Yes. Design is unskilled labor. The iPhone uses glass instead of plastic. Do you need a degree or experience to come up with that idea? Or what colors to put on a web page? You know it's a joke.

Auto design and the like involves engineers through much of the process. That's different.
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Wow, you are completely ignorant.

*shakes head*.
 
Warbrain said:
It's not that they don't allow it. It's that the only place to put an antenna that can pump out a huge amount of radiation is at the bottom away from the head.

You can put the antenna by the head but it will have to be extremely weak.
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thanks for sharing that info
 
Chalkperson said:
On the subject of Jonny Ive, he's the only one that can get Jobs to order Apple to make an aesthetic decision instead of an engineering one, remember that a Professor in Sweden predicted this problem two weeks before the phone came out, Apple's engineers were dead set against this design but Jobs took Ive's design over the engineer's concerns...
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Source please

Ive isn't simply a designer, he has a background in engineering as well, it's required for industrial designers in technology
 
You know... when you really think about it... it's just a product defect and Apple is holding a press conference to talk about how they're going to fix it. The product has not even been out a month yet and they have a response.

But, when you think about it... if this was not the iPhone... the product everyone else is trying to beat... no one would care. But because the iPhone is the standard to beat... it matters.
 
Woz4Prez said:
Yes. Design is unskilled labor. The iPhone uses glass instead of plastic. Do you need a degree or experience to come up with that idea? Or what colors to put on a web page? You know it's a joke.

Auto design and the like involves engineers through much of the process. That's different.

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what BS.....most engineers don't know squat about design....function v form

take a look at thinkpads vs macbooks...inside and out...a macpro vs any other intel tower....which one do you think had predominantly engineers involved?
 
I hope they start the press conference with the following...

We are deeply sorry. We were wrong, and we are sorry for our mistake; we hope you can forgive us.
[... bla bla bla about good Apple is ...]
We will accept any phone and refund it or exchange by one of the new ones with the new design.
Once again we are deeply sorry for our mistake...
 
I think they're going to announce that in response to the iPhone 4 problems, they'll release the new iPhone 5 ahead of time.

It will have 8gb RAM, allow Facetime over 3g, have lock screen widgets, do 1080p recording on both the front and back camera, be 25% thinner, have a battery that lasts a month, and incorporate some new levitation technology so that it suspend itself in midair and you can use it while you're driving.

Apple will issue free iPhone 5s for anyone that wants to trade in their iPhone 4s.
 
ChrisTX said:
You guys screaming recall are ignorant of things. Why recall a product for a problem that clearly isn't affecting everyone?
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They're ignorant? Since when is a recall only declared for malfunctions that happen to everyone? You, Sir, are the ignorant one.

Heard of Toyota recalling cars? Not everyone ran off the road with sticky pedals.
Heard of meat recalls? Not everyone got infected with E. coli.
Heard of tire recalls? Not everyones' tires blew up.
Heard of Dell recalling batteries? Not everyone had a battery ignite.

There are many more but I think you get the idea...
 
Isn't it obvious?

Apple has been working in secrecy with IBM for the past four years and are ready to finally announce the PowerBook G5, clocked at 3.00054 GHz.
 
PeterQVenkman said:
I think that is the only reason apple got into the iPhone case market to begin with - to fix the design problem Jobs most likely insisted upon for appearance purposes.
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Gonna have to agree with this one. Problem is they should have just included the bumper with the phone instead of charging people $30 for a 5 cent piece of rubber.

I'm a huge, long time Apple user, but the $30 bumper is an obvious failure.
 
OtherJesus said:
Gonna have to agree with this one. Problem is they should have just included the bumper with the phone instead of charging people $30 for a 5 cent piece of rubber.

I'm a huge, long time Apple user, but the $30 bumper is an obvious failure.
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Have you looked at the price of Apple accessories? All are overpriced.
 
wschutz said:
I hope they start the press conference with the following...

We are deeply sorry. We were wrong, and we are sorry for our mistake; we hope you can forgive us.
[... bla bla bla about good Apple is ...]
We will accept any phone and refund it or exchange by one of the new ones with the new design.
Once again we are deeply sorry for our mistake...
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Why do they have to be so "deeply sorry"... my goodness... they haven't killed anyone... they just have a product problem... that BTW has only been out a month and they're fixing it.

They don't have to be sorry for anything... if they can fix the antenna issue and proximity sensor the iPhone 4 is a killer smartphone. They have nothing to be sorry about.
 
Woz4Prez said:
Designers are a dime a dozen, I'm sure they can find one. It's an unskilled position.
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ID is one of the most difficult, most learned, and most skilled professions out there. In the product world it's a priceless commodity when done exceptionally well. Corporate empires are built on design. Look at BMW and The North Face to name a few. These brands show the difference between products that are designed and products that are simply engineered.

Woz4Prez said:
What language is this? We speak ENGLISH here, go back to Mexico.
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This is so offensive. There are people on this board from across the globe. I've been reading your posts and you seem like one of the most deeply unhappy, cynical and ignorant human beings on earth. You ARE what's wrong with the world. Your parents must be proud.
 
This comes to mind haha.

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jamesnajera said:
To all the people stating they don't have the problem or the problem only effects a small group of users ...

Has anyone noticed the Apple discussion boards? It is sure interesting to see the following stats for a phone that has just been out for about 21 days.

http://discussions.apple.com/category.jspa?categoryID=201

Discussion Board Stats:
iPhone4: 967,944 Views, 3,850 Topics, 38,587 Messages
iPhone3GS: 914,755 Views, 14,806 Topics, 88,783 Messages
iPhone3G: 447,613 Views, 23,952 Topics, 143,968 Messages
iPhone: 119,706 Views, 5,456 Topics, 25,961 Messages

Unbelievable that a phone only out for about 21 days has more views than a phone out for a year, or a phone out for 2 years or even a phone out for 3 years. Also notice that with just 3,850 Topics the iPhone4 Board has almost half of the Messages that the 3GS Board has while the iPhone 3GS Board has almost 5X the Topics.

If Apple issues a voluntary recall, I wonder how many people saying the antenna issue does not affect me will exchange their iPhone4?

I hope Apple does the right thing this friday.
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You hit the nail on the head. There are lots of people that want to use a case and don't mind this mess and are claiming no issue...but I guarantee that if a recall is announced they will get the corrected model. No one likes to know that they are carrying a defective product. As soon as their idol...Steve Jobs...admits there is an issue...expect more people to admit/acknowledge the problem.
 
Billy Mays said:
They're ignorant? Since when is a recall only declared for malfunctions that happen to everyone? You, Sir, are the ignorant one.

Heard of Toyota recalling cars? Not everyone ran off the road with sticky pedals.
Heard of meat recalls? Not everyone got infected with E. coli.
Heard of tire recalls? Not everyones' tires blew up.
Heard of Dell recalling batteries? Not everyone had a battery ignite.

There are many more but I think you get the idea...
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Yeah, but this "problem" isn't even life threatening. See the resemblance between a reception issue, and faulty breaks that put my life at risk? I don't either. Would be more trouble than it's worth, when there is probably an easier fix somewhere. I will let Apple speak before I pass judgement though.
 
wschutz said:
I hope they start the press conference with the following...

We are deeply sorry. We were wrong, and we are sorry for our mistake; we hope you can forgive us.
[... bla bla bla about good Apple is ...]
We will accept any phone and refund it or exchange by one of the new ones with the new design.
Once again we are deeply sorry for our mistake...
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Don't hold your breath.
 
Fail

Whatever it's about, I'm sure they'll deny anything is wrong with the iPhone.

I guess the news that Consumer Reports rated it a "don't buy" finally spurred Apple into action. Lying to customers via CSR reps, publishing a note saying "It's a software reception display problem" is just all B.S. And let't not forget charging $30.00 for a piece of ***** rubber bumper that costs about 5 cents is just a complete insult.

If Apple learns ANYTHING from this fiasco, I hope it's that their draconian secrecy doesn't always work. There are times you need to put out info and be honest with your customers.

And maybe there'll be a side lesson they learn here.... "Don't put all of your eggs into one basket". (i.e. don't neglect your other products and focus ALL of your resources into the iGadget junk).
 
ChrisTX said:
You guys screaming recall are ignorant of things. Why recall a product for a problem that clearly isn't affecting everyone? Give the 100 or so people that are truly convinced only after seeing the reports of reception issues a fix, and let the rest of us go about our business.
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Have you read any of the articles regarding the antenna?

http://www.antennasys.com/antennasys-blog/2010/6/24/apple-iphone-4-antennas.html

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3794/the-iphone-4-review/2

The anandtech article is especially enlightening since it shows the attenuation of the signal in db's. The iPhone 4 clearly loses more signal when held in the same way as other phones including the 3gs.

It clearly is affecting the majority if not all phones. The key factors on whether some don't see it seem to be:
-Some people naturally hold it in a way that does not attenuate the signal.
-Proximity to a tower. If close you will still lose signal but not enough to lose bars because of the algorithm they use to convert db level to bars
-Alot of people use cases regardless. These people will not see the issue.

They probably won't recall but an option to exchange it if they find away to fix it may be offered. Free bumpers possibly although this would be a controversial solution.

I don't mean to direct this at you it is just aggravating when people claim this isn't a big problem. If you leave in already spotty coverage it can be a very big problem.
 
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