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Ok. Since this discussion has become a one-liner training discussion I'll chip in.

From Macenstein. The "invite" :

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hmmm.... there may be another reason for a Friday News conference....

On Thursday, Verizon will begin selling the Droid X, an Android phone that many say may be the fiercest challenge yet to the iPhone, Steven P. Jobs’s crowning creation.

“Verizon is back in the game, even without the iPhone,” said Craig Moffett, an analyst at Sanford C. Bernstein & Company.

Even Without iPhone, Verizon Is Gaining on AT&T
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/15/technology/15verizon.html?hp
 
hmmm.... there may be another reason for a Friday News conference.... Even Without iPhone, Verizon Is Gaining on AT&T
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/15/technology/15verizon.html?hp

If they hold a press conference and talk about anything else before their phone problems, it would be a serious PR bomb. You gotta wonder what shareholders have been saying to Steve... and its probably not "lets gloss it over and bust out the Verizon news real quick..." :)
 
The instant you touch the black bar your signal to noise ratio will hit rock bottom and transmissions will start to fail. All you have to do is touch the black bar while running a speedtest and it will stop.

It's been established that this simply isn't true for all users. Nothing I can do withe the phone will affect the speedtest. NOTHING. People that state that this affects all the phones are as wrong as those who say it affects none.
 
Funny, seems like this press conference would never have happened without CR's article. Hmmm. And free bumpers is clearly admitting that there is a design error. How are they going avoid a recall if they are offering us free bumpers. And how is admitting any problem going to size up to all their other bonehead previous statements?

If Apple say we are offering them as a 'gesture of goodwill' they are not admitting liability.

Trust me, we offer lots of gestures of goodwill at my place of work so we don't have to admit liability and it's fine. Legally, they are not admitting a hardware fault, let's face it, we know it, but the legal side of thing Apple will protect.
 
Anand pointed out that for Apple to actually admit there is a manufacturing issue would be almost unprecedented. However, even if they don't people are going to think so anyway.

I'd say they'll offer free replacement for affected handsets and pull a silent recall. It's definitely more their style, and calling a press conference just to deny everything won't fix the bad press or falling share prices.

No doubt the new handsets will have something to mitigate the fact that they turn your body into a giant, terrible antenna. Maybe the thin, transparent epoxy layer they should have used in the first instance?
 
My Prediction:

Apple will announce that you can now Exchange you iPhone for a new (Revised) model AND you can claim a FREE iPhone bumper to use on your current iPhone while you wait for your replacement to arrive. All new iPhone orders starting Saturday will be the new model. Also, they will announce all sorts of new crap that they hope will make us forget about this whole thing. ;)

Just sayin...
 
I think they will announce that some iPhones are affected with this issue because of variances in production, and that it's not a design defect, rather than a manufacturing fault. This is due to insulation fault on the inside of the iPhone, and not on the outside. They will show a slide to the exact place where internally a faulty insulation is taken place and shorts out the antenna on affected phones. This causes affected iPhones to loose connection, while non-affected iPhones will only attenuate signal, but still hold connection. Would be something, right?
 
It's been established that this simply isn't true for all users. Nothing I can do withe the phone will affect the speedtest. NOTHING. People that state that this affects all the phones are as wrong as those who say it affects none.

many urban areas have 10,000 times the signal strength required for 5 bar display. Touching the area decreases usable signal power to 1/100th of what it was. So in that case the phone still has 100 times the usable signal strength to display 5 bars. Of course phones in such places can't replicate the problem.

If in such an area how would anyone even know they'd experienced a 100 fold signal drop?
 
many urban areas have 10,000 times the signal strength required for 5 bar display. Touching the area decreases usable signal power to 1/100th of what it was. So in that case the phone still has 100 times the usable signal strength to display 5 bars. Of course phones in such places can't replicate the problem.

If in such an area how would anyone even know they'd experienced a 100 fold signal drop?

Hopefully the 4.1 fix will provide a better visual indication of how much signal you actually have.

Obviously they'll work on an average baseline, but methinks a lot of people post 4.1 will find their signal isn't as good as they thought it was.
 
Please be sure to go back and correct the 23 posts in this thread before mine that have said "holding it wrong".




I think "misquote" is a bit strong - usually that means that you've twisted the words so that the original meaning is lost.

I think that most people would consider that the two sentences:

  1. Just don't hold it in that way.
  2. You're holding it wrong.
mean roughly the same thing - in other words it is more of a paraphrase than a malicious misquote.

mis·quote [mis-kwoht]
-verb (used with object), verb (used without object)
1. to quote incorrectly.
-noun
2. a quotation that is incorrect.

Misquote is not something that can be "strong" or "weak". It's either true or false. Don't hide behind semantics. The implied meaning of the "quote" you attributed to Jobs is incorrect and something he didn't say.

"You're holding it wrong" implies that Jobs thinks it's acceptable to dictate how someone would hold a phone, as if it was in the user manual and the user is an idiot for not following directions. This is the reason that anti-Apple people have run away with this. It makes it seem like he said something he didn't.

"Avoid holding it in that way" simply implies that if you're having problems do this to avoid it. It doesn't have the same callous, patronizing meaning as the former "quote".

If I hit the quote button here, edited what you said an made an argument based on my changes would you call me out for it? I bet you would.
 
I want them to address the proximity issue. i doubt they will but would love to hear what they have planned for that. The most ridiculous thing about the majority of the posts from people who don't experience either of these problems is that they think they only exist on a small batch of phones. Both of these problems are issues on every iPhone 4!

Right, it's clearly ridiculous for people that don't have a problem to state that they don't have a problem.

The piece about the proximity issue is my favorite. There's nothing here that could be attributed to random geography or anything. I put the phone to my head it goes black. I remove it from my head and the screen instantly lights up. I press no accidental buttons. I get no dropped calls. I use the phone for work all day, every day.

So how exactly is it that my phone has a proximity sensor issue?
 
Read the Bible,


Jesus wore rags. He was more about substance than design.

Maybe you should read the Bible. Jesus did not wear rags. He owned nearly nothing and was not about material possessions at all, but what he did have was very well put together. His coat was so fine soldiers refused to tear it to share after he died, and cast lots over who kept it.

Let me guess, you think he was frail, too. Like all those moronic images in crappy churches. LOL!

Oh, and....stupidity is not a joke.
 
conference predictions..

Jobs thanks everyone for being there
-Talks about how iPhone 4 is the most successful iPhone to date, and announces day 1 sales figures
-Announces AT&T will let any iPhone customer up to Jan 2010 upgrade
-Announces there was a problem afterall, and they have some options
-Free bumpers, New phone, Gift card, return, exchange for 3GS in same GB (all customers get bumpers, gift card, and new phone. 3GS and return are optional)
-International launch July 28
-White iPhone launches July 28 for all countries in the Jun/July launch window
 

"The new iPhone 5 - it's just like the iPhone 4, only with this new high tech rubberized edging, available in an amazing array of colors! It's such a revolutionary technological advance that we couldn't wait until next summer to share it with our customers. Of course you can remove the rubber to install the phone into any of the many cases and accessories available for the iPhone 4!

Of course, a great many customers just bought an iPhone 4 expecting that there wouldn't be a new iPhone until next year. In the interest of fairness, for a limited time we have reduced the price of our iPhone 5 upgrade kit to just $19, which is close to half off!"
 
It's been established that this simply isn't true for all users. Nothing I can do withe the phone will affect the speedtest. NOTHING. People that state that this affects all the phones are as wrong as those who say it affects none.

That's because you live in an area where a 20-30dBm drop doesn't effect you. Congratulations, you figured out something that was known two weeks ago.
 
They will simply continue to tell the SW patch will fix the issue and confirm the release date.
This week at the app store for the first time one of the genius confirmed to me it might be a design flaw but people living in a strong signal area would not be affected...
Let's see what SJ tells tomorrow. I hope a massive recall!!!
 
So, it's the network then, not the phone?

No, it's the fact that people live in places where strength levels are around ~90dBm, lowest is 113dBm. You couple your location with the fact that a single finger will drop the strength level by 20-30dBm and you don't have signal anymore.

The only people who don't notice the problem are people who live with a strength of, let's say, 70dBm. So, when you add the antenna problem to the mix, you still have signal and since the cell connection is digital, you still have a good connection because digital either works or it doesn't.
 
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