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So basically you're saying you don't have any clue what you're talking about, but you want to believe your friend's death had some purpose so you can feel better about it. You have my sympathies for the pain they caused you, but I will never feel ashamed of valuing human life or trying to help others going through something similar to what I went through several times.

And no, I don't equate depression with a bad day at work, I equate it with the repeated depressive episodes I've experienced over the last twenty plus years, lasting anywhere from several weeks long to many months, and the three times I made very detailed and specific plans to end my life during the darkest points in three of those episodes, and the one time when I did actually self-harm in another one of those episodes.

I understand that during those periods a person is not thinking rationally, but if anything I've said in this topic is remembered by anyone at some point in their lives and they decide to live as a result, I don't really care what you think about me or my experiences. On the other hand I find your position on suicide morally reprehensible and incredibly dangerous. Please keep your pro-suicide views away from anyone who might be vulnerable.
I'm just wondering: Imagine the following scenarios:
  • Someone dies from a heart attack because of obesity
  • Someone dies from lung cancer because he smoked his whole life
  • Someone dies in a biking accident
  • Someone dies in a car accident because he missed a car right behind him
  • Someone breaks his neck because he slipped over a wet floor
Are all those people stupid and people mourning for them wrong?

You can't assume that you know what was going on in Robin Williams head, just because you claim to have experience something similar. It's extremely arrogant to do so. I had a short but heavy episode of depressions as well and reading your egomaniacal stories I have the feeling, that you haven't been through the same. So it feels very offending that you are implying that you know how I felt. You don't. You don't know any of this.
 
Fixed that for you. This conversation is over. You are disgusting, have twisted what I've said to fit your agenda and don't know what you're talking about.

Your statement was ambiguous as to the actual nature of the relationship, sorry I guessed wrong. Regardless, I find it ridiculous that you, who has apparently not been suicidal yourself, claim that I'm the one who doesn't know what he's talking about, when I'm the one who has been suicidal several times. I recognize that those who have been hurt by suicides want to find some meaning in it, some excuse to deal with the pain they're left with. The mind has a variety of defensive mechanisms to deal with trauma. I don't mean to rip away your way of dealing with your sister's suicide, and if you prefer to just ignore what I'm saying, that's fine, but don't attack me for speaking out against suicide.

You call me disgusting for valuing human life. I really am not sure how to react to that.
 
I'm just wondering: Imagine the following scenarios:
  • Someone dies from a heart attack because of obesity
  • Someone dies from lung cancer because he smoked his whole life
  • Someone dies in a biking accident
  • Someone dies in a car accident because he missed a car right behind him
  • Someone breaks his neck because he slipped over a wet floor
Are all those people stupid and people mourning for them wrong?

You can't assume that you know what was going on in Robin Williams head, just because you claim to have experience something similar. It's extremely arrogant to do so. I had a short but heavy episode of depressions as well and reading your egomaniacal stories I have the feeling, that you haven't been through the same. So it feels very offending that you are implying that you know how I felt. You don't. You don't know any of this.

Exactly. What mrxak is doing is trying to make himself feel superior because he has diluted himself into thinking he has experienced the same level of depression as someone who has committed suicide. My sister killed herself and left a very detailed letter as to why. I won't go into it, but there's nobody or any thing that could have helped her. She was a prisoner in her own mind and her only way of escape was suicide. It took me a long time to accept it, but I don't fault her for it. Apprently, mrxak thinks I am "pro-suicide" because of this. Shame.

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Your statement was ambiguous as to the actual nature of the relationship, sorry I guessed wrong. Regardless, I find it ridiculous that you, who has apparently not been suicidal yourself, claim that I'm the one who doesn't know what he's talking about, when I'm the one who has been suicidal several times. I recognize that those who have been hurt by suicides want to find some meaning in it, some excuse to deal with the pain they're left with. The mind has a variety of defensive mechanisms to deal with trauma. I don't mean to rip away your way of dealing with your sister's suicide, and if you prefer to just ignore what I'm saying, that's fine, but don't attack me for speaking out against suicide.

You call me disgusting for valuing human life. I really am not sure how to react to that.
You didn't read the letter. You have no concept of what ending a life is for someone with severe depression. Buzz off troll. I'm signing off. I can't deal with your bullcrap anymore. Let me know if you ever develop a conscience.
 
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Seriously? If they did discount his stuff, then Apple would be having a "Robin Williams death sale". It's all a matter of perspective. You have a negative perspective.

Honoring him is not selling more of his stuff. They always want to sell more of his stuff.

honoring him would be bringing attention to his things by making them more accessible (i.e. sale or free rental where they strip the profits out of his sales as the "honoring" part) or by using the profits for a non-commercial cause.
 
I'm just wondering: Imagine the following scenarios:
  • Someone dies from a heart attack because of obesity
  • Someone dies from lung cancer because he smoked his whole life
  • Someone dies in a biking accident
  • Someone dies in a car accident because he missed a car right behind him
  • Someone breaks his neck because he slipped over a wet floor
Are all those people stupid and people mourning for them wrong?

You can't assume that you know what was going on in Robin Williams head, just because you claim to have experience something similar. It's extremely arrogant to do so. I had a short but heavy episode of depressions as well and reading your egomaniacal stories I have the feeling, that you haven't been through the same. So it feels very offending that you are implying that you know how I felt. You don't. You don't know any of this.

I don't blame people for an addiction or accident. I also don't suggest that somebody who kills himself should not be mourned. I definitely can blame somebody who chooses to take a rope and hang himself, and if they do my sympathies are entirely with the people whose lives were destroyed as a result. I view them as victims of a murderer.

Calling me egomaniacal, I don't understand. Are you sure you're using the right word? I don't want to assume English is your first language.
 
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A few of you are like vultures circling Robin Williams corpse complaining that they can't get free movies because he's dead. Which is pathetic...

I bought 3 of his movies off of itunes. Didn't even think of discounts or freebies just about the great characters that he played and how I wanted to watch them again. A lot of people felt that way, and so Apple made it easy by putting all his material in one location.

Here's a novel idea, if you want a cheap movie then go buy a used dvd online somewhere.
 
Funny, I'd consider a "sale" to be more distasteful.

THAT sounds like cashing in...trying to spur sales, as it were.

Simply making a list seems more respectful to me.


It's cashing in anyway you look at it. iTunes has a search bar and typing in "Robin Williams" will get one the same results if they are interested in his work. The least Apple could have done -- if it was sincere -- would have been to pledge a certain portion of profits to either a cause Williams worked for or to a suicide prevention organization.

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Isn't the price set by the studios anyway?

Yes, but that doesn't mean Apple get to keep some of it. iTunes is a big money maker for Apple these days.
 
It's cashing in anyway you look at it. iTunes has a search bar and typing in "Robin Williams" will get one the same results if they are interested in his work. The least Apple could have done -- if it was sincere -- would have been to pledge a certain portion of profits to either a cause Williams worked for or to a suicide prevention organization.

There's nothing wrong with what Apple did. Nothing.
 
Buzz off troll.

You're the one making personal attacks here. I'm just trying to share my experiences in the hopes that other people will not commit an act of irrevocable violence against themselves and those who love them.

I know that suicide stirs up a lot of powerful emotions in some people, but I'm sure if you calm down and come back to this topic later, and actually read what I'm saying in a logical way, my intentions are quite good, and nothing I'm saying is false or harmful. I am advocating for fewer deaths and less pain in the world. I don't imagine you're actually opposed to that idea.

Again, I would point out to anyone reading this that there are hotlines for support in most places around the world, and I would urge anyone suffering to get help anywhere they can get it. It is difficult to see, but there is always hope for your life to get better, or for your life to have meaning to those around you.
 
I don't blame people for an addiction or accident. I also don't suggest that somebody who kills himself should not be mourned. I definitely can blame somebody who chooses to take a rope and hang himself, and if they do my sympathies are entirely with the people whose lives were destroyed as a result. I view them as victims of a murderer.

Calling me egomaniacal, I don't understand. Are you sure you're using the right word? I don't want to assume English is your first language.
You don't make quite sense to me. I don't see the difference between someone who dies because he chose to hang himself (even though you can hardly call it a choice, but you wouldn't understand) and someone who dies in consequence of repeated wrong choices during his life. It's the same thing to me.

And yes, I called you egomaniacal. As I'm not a native speaker, just like you correctly pointed out, I need to look up the definition:
Egomania: Obsessive egotism or self-centredness.
Oh, thank god, looks like I used the right word.
 
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Tasteless and tacky.

Why?

When a big star dies it reminds the world of their body of work and people will naturally want to watch things again or watch things they'd never got around to before.

It's just making this process convenient for god's sake.
 
I was not the one trying to make this about me. It's the likes of people like Pitmaster and you who made it personal and claimed I had no personal experience with the subject matter. Me rebutting this with personal anecdotes doesn't make me an egomaniac.
No it's you who made it personal by claiming his sister (and my grandfather just in case you're interested) died because of mere stupidity. That is very offending and disrespectful (it's obvious to me, but I have the feeling it's not to you). And, yes, thinking that your personal experiences allows you to judge other people's experiences is egomaniacal. You can think about this in two ways:
  1. "I had a depressive episode but did not kill myself, therefore everyone who had a depressive episode and killed himself is stupid"
  2. "I had a depressive episode but did not kill myself, therefore whatever people experienced who did kill themselves must have been a lot worse."

The fact that you chose the first possibility is clearly suggesting that you are indeed an egomaniac. Someone who interprets every single experience of his life as witness of his own superiority. Even a depressive phase that ended lightly, which to me is baffling.
 
Sure, let's celebrate suicide with a big sale, and turn him into some kind of role model by spending weeks talking about how great he was.

Anyway, I hated Robin Williams, and thought basically all of his movies were terrible. Dead Poets Society was really the only one that's okay. That said, the man was obviously some kind of crazy genius, and even the most vehement anti-fan can admit that he was operating on a different level from most people on this planet. There was clearly something going on inside his brain that was not normal, like Beethoven or Picasso. I wouldn't be surprised if he had a very high IQ. But genius usually comes with some kind of a cost. For him it was depression and self-medication. I pitied the guy, even though I never liked him or his work.

Suicide, however, is the absolutely stupidest, most cowardly, and selfish thing a person can do. It fits every definition of evil I can think of. He should be vilified, instead of celebrated. As somebody who has suffered through repeated bouts of depression myself, I have empathy with his considering it, but no empathy for his choice to actually do it. My thoughts are with his family and the other people he utterly destroyed with his action. I can only imagine what horror they are going through now in his wake. He didn't merely take the easy way out, he strapped dynamite to his chest and blew himself up taking everyone else out around him.

I certainly hope if anyone here is considering suicide, they have the brains to realize just how ****ed up a thing it is to do their their families and friends. It doesn't matter how much you're hurting, suicide does nothing but prevent you from ever feeling better, and it will end a lot more than just your own life, it'll essentially end the lives of everyone who cared about you, and cause trauma to the first responders who have to come clean up after your mess. Call a hotline, talk to somebody, and get yourself some help. There is always hope, and it will get better. Even the worst people can be redeemed, even the most worthless of people are still worth something to somebody. Don't be stupid like Robin Williams.

350ish members of the U.S. military committed suicide last year. In 2010, at least 18 based in Ft. Hood committed suicide including 4 decorated war veterans.

All those people were selfish and cowardly?

Or is it that this topic is more complicated than you can comprehend?
 
I would go one further and ask Apple to donate a considerable amount to Comic Relief or some other charity that Robin Williams was associated to. The profits from Robin Williams' movie sales from iTunes, I am afraid, would be a tiny amount compared to what Apple could easily afford.

How about this? Why don't YOU give away YOUR money? People die every day, including Lauren Bacall just this afternoon. Any other charities you want to line up since you're feeling so generous with others' money?
 
I'm just wondering: Imagine the following scenarios:
  • Someone dies from a heart attack because of obesity
  • Someone dies from lung cancer because he smoked his whole life
  • Someone dies in a biking accident
  • Someone dies in a car accident because he missed a car right behind him
  • Someone breaks his neck because he slipped over a wet floor
Are all those people stupid and people mourning for them wrong?

You can't assume that you know what was going on in Robin Williams head, just because you claim to have experience something similar. It's extremely arrogant to do so. I had a short but heavy episode of depressions as well and reading your egomaniacal stories I have the feeling, that you haven't been through the same. So it feels very offending that you are implying that you know how I felt. You don't. You don't know any of this.

The thing about the internet is, all kinds of people act like they are experts about all kinds of things. I suspect that if you ask a competent psychiatrist (someone who is schooled on this topic presumably), that person would not be able or willing to paint such a black and white picture about suicide.
 
Sure, let's celebrate suicide with a big sale, and turn him into some kind of role model by spending weeks talking about how great he was.

Anyway, I hated Robin Williams, and thought basically all of his movies were terrible. Dead Poets Society was really the only one that's okay. That said, the man was obviously some kind of crazy genius, and even the most vehement anti-fan can admit that he was operating on a different level from most people on this planet. There was clearly something going on inside his brain that was not normal, like Beethoven or Picasso. I wouldn't be surprised if he had a very high IQ. But genius usually comes with some kind of a cost. For him it was depression and self-medication. I pitied the guy, even though I never liked him or his work.

Suicide, however, is the absolutely stupidest, most cowardly, and selfish thing a person can do. It fits every definition of evil I can think of. He should be vilified, instead of celebrated. As somebody who has suffered through repeated bouts of depression myself, I have empathy with his considering it, but no empathy for his choice to actually do it. My thoughts are with his family and the other people he utterly destroyed with his action. I can only imagine what horror they are going through now in his wake. He didn't merely take the easy way out, he strapped dynamite to his chest and blew himself up taking everyone else out around him.

I certainly hope if anyone here is considering suicide, they have the brains to realize just how ****ed up a thing it is to do their their families and friends. It doesn't matter how much you're hurting, suicide does nothing but prevent you from ever feeling better, and it will end a lot more than just your own life, it'll essentially end the lives of everyone who cared about you, and cause trauma to the first responders who have to come clean up after your mess. Call a hotline, talk to somebody, and get yourself some help. There is always hope, and it will get better. Even the worst people can be redeemed, even the most worthless of people are still worth something to somebody. Don't be stupid like Robin Williams.

I have never read more utter crap than this. The very people he worked alongside, the critics who reviewed his work, and billions of people around the world who mourn his loss, celebrate his abilities and uniqueness must all be wrong. I think not, alas it is you...

P.S. I am a healthcare worker, very much at the front line, yes it is not nice when you see people that have passed on, for what ever reason, and whatever manner, but to say we are mentally scared! Hmmm, as above, you have NFI.
 
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