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I forget who it was but G4 posted a story a couple months ago about a certain CEO trying to pull this crap about game designers not getting paid for creating a game when people buy one copy and copy it for all their friends.

What a crock. All the developers got paid as the game development went on. Any extra bonuses based on sales are just that..... BONUSES. CEOs seem to take a bigger cut though compared to the actual developers and artists.

Okay, so if I come up with a game idea, start a company and hire 10 game programmers at $75K per year, rent a building, buy hardware for them to work on, and then we spend two years developing this game, spending over $2M in the process, of my money (or other people's invested money), then the money from the sale of the game is supposed to be considered bonus?!?

Now, if I sell 100,000 copies of this game for $49.95 retail ($30 or so wholesale), then the gross revenue for the company would be about $3M. Once all debts are paid, with interest, the net profit would probably be less than $500K. That may seem like a fair amount, but if 10% of sales are lost because of piracy, then this number falls to $200K. If 20% of sales are lost, then suddenly the company is losing money.

To say that money from sales suggests that you don't understand how the industry works.

Back on topic, in many ways the movie industry works the same way. When someone wants to make a movie, they need to get financial backing. If Joe Bloe comes up to me and asks me to invest $100M in his new movie, I'm going to want some level of assurance that I'll get my money back, plus a profit. If the industry is rife with piracy, and movies aren't bringing profits into the studios, then the financial backers aren't going to want to invest in making the movies.

All of that being said, I think that the degree of greed, even at the cost of the consumer's "rights", that seems to be present in many of these big industries is getting a bit out of hand.
 
I meant a Blu-Ray DVD, sorry, thought that was obvious.?

There is no such thing as a 'Blu-ray DVD', in the same way as there is no such thing as a 'DVD CD'. They are completely different technologies that just happen to be the same size. Hence the confusion.
 
I don't like it. But then again, I don't buy any movies from iTunes... I buy them on DVD and then rip them to my computer to watch.

Yes, I agree. This development just completely eliminated my likelihood of purchasing movies off of iTunes. Apple needs to seriously reconsider this.
 
I don't really see it being a big deal. How often would you connect up a projector to watch a movie like this?

It's called "Salami-Taktik" in German. Taking away one tiny little slice of freedom and rights never is a big deal in itself, and people only moan and groan, but won't actually fight for this tiny little piece. But in the end, when the whole sausage is gone, you will wake up in a world like Orwell's 1984, and then it's too late to say STOP.

Buy purchasing a BluRay disc, you actively support this development with your money. Buy purchasing a DRM-infested music track from iTunes, you support also support it.

It's very easy to stop DRM. Just don't put your money on the table for anything that uses it.
 
So go back to your wonderful world of Windows. :rolleyes:

Well, the same restrictions are implemented in Windows as well, because it is part of the specification of that DRM-crap.

However, the guy you responded to has got a lot of points right. Or in other words, he probably is about as sick and tired of Apple's product policies as I have grown over time. And that is the reason why I want companies like Psystar to succeed so badly. I've invested a lot of money in software for OS X, so I am already suffering from a vendor lock-in. Having the option to run that software on non-Apple hardware would be a great relief for me and having real competition on their own ground would be a very healthy thing for Apple.
 
I thought Apple "hated" DRM?

i know i do. don't punish your honest customers, Apple.

They absolutely hate DRM... or at least any DRM that isn't theirs. Every iTunes song you've ever purchased is "infected" with Apple's DRM scheme. The idea of having to pay to license someone else's is all that Apple "hates."
 
Guess I'll be switching to Linux now.

Please do, so that I can laugh when you go to the effort and expense of changing over, and then come across the exact same situation, just seconds before you realize that you pretended this is an Apple-specific technology.

They absolutely hate DRM... or at least any DRM that isn't theirs. Every iTunes song you've ever purchased is "infected" with Apple's DRM scheme. The idea of having to pay to license someone else's is all that Apple "hates."

Apparently your ill-informed opinion, and accusations without any proof, are tainted by having never heard of iTunes Plus.
 
There is no such thing as a 'Blu-ray DVD', in the same way as there is no such thing as a 'DVD CD'. They are completely different technologies that just happen to be the same size. Hence the confusion.

Well, uh, that's not quite true. DVD is an acronym for "Digital Video Disc" or "Digital Versatile Disc". That there is a standard format which is the 4.4GB sized DVD, which is what we generally mean when we refer to a DVD, does not negate the fact that DVD is a generic term. Similarly, CD is an acronym for "Compact Disc", which is a term that can be applied to DVDs equally well (especially if you're old enough to remember movies on Laser Disk... <cringe>). So, while in common usage these terms apply to particular products and product configurations, in principal, there is no reason that these terms can't be used generically.

It's called "Salami-Taktik" in German. Taking away one tiny little slice of freedom and rights never is a big deal in itself, and people only moan and groan, but won't actually fight for this tiny little piece. But in the end, when the whole sausage is gone, you will wake up in a world like Orwell's 1984, and then it's too late to say STOP.

Buy purchasing a BluRay disc, you actively support this development with your money. Buy purchasing a DRM-infested music track from iTunes, you support also support it.

It's very easy to stop DRM. Just don't put your money on the table for anything that uses it.

Yep, I agree completely. I don't see the value of BR right now. Maybe at some point I will. But, in general, I avoid things with DRM. I only buy from iTS when it's a DRM free song. Otherwise, I'll go to Amazon or get a CD. I'd much rather watch a TV show or movie on Hulu or Netflix than pay for the restrictive DRM that infests them on iTS. If it's something that I really want to own, I'll buy plain old DVDs (those I can rip and watch on my iPod or MBP when on the road...). So, as much as I can, I'm voting with my wallet.

Unfortunately, there are many more people who go on more or less oblivious to the DRM and they're voting with their wallets to continue it. Alas.

They absolutely hate DRM... or at least any DRM that isn't theirs. Every iTunes song you've ever purchased is "infected" with Apple's DRM scheme. The idea of having to pay to license someone else's is all that Apple "hates."

Actually, almost all of the songs that I've bought from iTunes are DRM-free... :rolleyes:
 
This is slightly off topic, but worth sharing here. I have rock sold proof that DMCA and CopyRight is nuts.

Proof

Summery of Proof:

If you take a picture of a Toyota- the car, the Toyota- the company owns that picture. If you share it with others, you are violating their Intellectual Property rights.

That is 100% false.
 
Component most certainly CAN handle 1080P IF the component INPUT supports it.

My brother plays his XBOX 360 via Component registering in at 1080P. He plays one of the GTA games (AFAIK) this way. Looks quite stunning.

My apologies, I should have explained myself better - component will not transmit HDCP material such as Blu-ray via 1080P, it will be degraded to 1080I.

GTA 4 is at a lower resolution than even 720P, btw. It looks quite bad on a large screen.
 
So let me get this straight. Apple has decided to use this new propriety "mini-display port" instead of the industry STANDARD HDMI connection in ALL its future products? Um, is it just me or does that just SMACK of them doing that purely so they can charge big money for conversion cables and NO OTHER REASON. I mean HDMI ports are TINY. They're at least as small as Apple's new display port so what's the point in using that port instead of HDMI other than to try and reap more money from the consumer?


I wonder if the next wave of AppleTV units will use the new Apple "display port" instead of HDMI.... Nevermind what the rest of the world uses, Apple. Roll your own. Does this mean that Appletalk ports will come back and start replacing gigabit ethernet on the next models too?

Display port is a standard. Hdmi does not support the resolution required for larger monitors. Hope that clears things up
 
Well, uh, that's not quite true. DVD is an acronym for "Digital Video Disc" or "Digital Versatile Disc". That there is a standard format which is the 4.4GB sized DVD, which is what we generally mean when we refer to a DVD, does not negate the fact that DVD is a generic term. Similarly, CD is an acronym for "Compact Disc", which is a term that can be applied to DVDs equally well (especially if you're old enough to remember movies on Laser Disk... <cringe>). So, while in common usage these terms apply to particular products and product configurations, in principal, there is no reason that these terms can't be used generically.

I understand where you're coming from, but the fact that people tend to treat trademarked names as generic names doesn't change the fact that somebody owns them. Blu-ray is *NOT* DVD (although it is backwards-compatible) and shouldn't be confused in this way. I blame HD-DVD for this confusion.

By the way, I own a laserdisc player! They were awesome back in the day.
 
My apologies, I should have explained myself better - component will not transmit HDCP material such as Blu-ray via 1080P, it will be degraded to 1080I.

GTA 4 is at a lower resolution than even 720P, btw. It looks quite bad on a large screen.


Well then I don't know what he was playing. Oh well. I know whatever it was, was indeed 1080p though.

:) Thanks for the clarification. I think the lack of HDCP transmission kicks your Blu Ray down to 540 though(as stated in this thread) not 1080i.
 
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Sadly, the only people that won't be inconvenienced by this are the ones that are already breaking the law. I hate corporate rationalization...
 
FYI, copyright law has *nothing* to do with retail store return policies.

Really? So you are saying that if I were to go out and buy a copy of Dark Knight and rip it then return it saying that I didn't want it. Then go back home redistribute it to other people, it would be ok?

The copyright laws has everything to do with software, music and movie returns. The only reason you are NOT allowed to return software, music or movie titles is because you can make copies of them. So, don't tell me that copyright laws has nothing to do with that. It clearly does.

Yes, I know that copyright laws do nothing for return policy on hardware, appliances, furniture and many other products.
 
Not impressed with Apple

The last couple of months have really turned me sour to Apple. They seem to be taking on all the attributes of Microsoft. It's as if the Gestapo has taken over all things Mac. They basically tell their customers, "We don't care what you want, or even need. We're going to do things our way and you can like it or lump it." They establish themselves as the policemen and treat ALL their customers like crooks. Meanwhile the fanboys just keep saying, "Thank you sir. May I have another?"

I'm seriously considering selling all my Mac stuff and going back to the dreaded PC. Mac is the best for sure; but I don't like being treated like Apple is doing me a favor by selling me their computer.
 
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