For music, which does not use HDCP. I guess you could argue HDCP is the next iteration of DRM, but it's not the same either way.
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Apple Incorporates HDCP (Copy Protection) in New Laptops
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For music, which does not use HDCP. I guess you could argue HDCP is the next iteration of DRM, but it's not the same either way.
??? Are you kidding???? All the freaking live long year? My TV is hooked to my iMac though a DVI S-video adapter and I watch itunes rental content. If I can't do that I will be mighty pissed and I bet you there is a fair population that do similar with projectors in their basements/classrooms etc.
SUCKS big time
And it's almost silly (regarding the music, at least).
And when I buy a dozen of Krispy Kremes, I still can share it with whoever I want. Thank God for non DRM-Doughnuts!
Boy do I miss the ol' days of common sense...
And I also miss the days when I could purchase a laptop and a lots of DV-Whaterver, Cables and what-not gear and not be worry that I would have to buy those again the next year for the sake of new (DRM) technology...
fair enough, but the old macbook pro's DVI port was dual, so the argument still stands. And there still is no mini-to-regular DisplayPort adapter, is there?
What I was getting at is that despite the support for higher resolutions that DisplayPort offers (such as oh I DON'T KNOW a 30" Cinema Display), that door is closed to us by Apple's use of this proprietary port.
Apple doesn't seem to provide one, but I'm sure a 3rd party may.
benpatient said:
How so? If you want to use a 30" ACD, use the MDP->DVI adapter. Done.
No matter Apple's choice for video out, they would have people barking about it. If it was an HDMI port people would whine that Apple left out the DisplayPort fanatics or the DVI Fanatics.
They went with a port that's small enough to fit in the new notebooks and can seemingly be easily adapted to other styles.
This is slightly off topic, but worth sharing here. I have rock sold proof that DMCA and CopyRight is nuts.
Proof
Summery of Proof:
If you take a picture of a Toyota- the car, the Toyota- the company owns that picture. If you share it with others, you are violating their Intellectual Property rights.
Furthermore, a site owner was contacted by Toyota-the company, he was told to remove the pictures. Then they were asked which ones Toyota-the company was objecting to. They responded with a threat that if Toyota- the company was to look all the pictures, compensation would need to be paid for the time spent.
Under DMCA, they must issue a take-down notice for each picture that offends them. Once the take-down notice is issued and the material is taken down, all is fine. Toyota used the threat of a DMCA take-down notice as leverage. Say it with me, WTF?!?!?!?!?
Welcome to the world of anagrams. DRM, DMCA, HDPC... what's next? RFID? (I know what RFID is.)
Proof
Summery of Proof:
If you take a picture of a Toyota- the car, the Toyota- the company owns that picture. If you share it with others, you are violating their Intellectual Property rights.
Furthermore, a site owner was contacted by Toyota-the company, he was told to remove the pictures. Then they were asked which ones Toyota-the company was objecting to. They responded with a threat that if Toyota- the company was to look all the pictures, compensation would need to be paid for the time spent.
Under DMCA, they must issue a take-down notice for each picture that offends them. Once the take-down notice is issued and the material is taken down, all is fine. Toyota used the threat of a DMCA take-down notice as leverage. Say it with me, WTF?!?!?!?!?
Welcome to the world of anagrams. DRM, DMCA, HDPC... what's next? RFID? (I know what RFID is.)
The new MB/MBP/MBA can't do Composite or S-Video anyway, so it's a moot point. It seems like the new machines removed so many features (or added in the case of HDCP) that so many people are just now finding out about after the sale. I'll bet Apple is getting a LOT of returns.
If I'm not mistaken, it is an option. For instance, I have used my Blu-Ray player with a non-HDCP compliant projector for some time and it works just fine. The way I understand it, it is the disk's 'choice' whether to enforce HDCP or not.
P-Worm
Nobody else makes anything with mini DP because Apple created it. If they choose not to release one, then there won't be one.
And the MDP->DVI adapter won't drive a 30" display. It is single-link only. You have to use the separate, not-currently-available-till-next-year $100 version of the same cable.
This revelation kinda makes anything Apple has said against Blu-ray Disc moot. I've read the article twice and can't figure out the deal on what you could play on what. On my "old" MBP, I play movies a lot on an external monitor that's 3 years old. Does that mean I'd be SOL for iTunes-purchased video if I bought a new MacBook or MacBook Pro? If so, LAME. WEAK. FAIL. (Take your pick)
All this hassle REALLY makes you want to download all of your movies and music legally. You'll get an extra sense of accomplishment by paying out the butt for all the new hardware and figuring out if you can play stuff you legally bought.
Bag o' hurt.
All this hassle REALLY makes you want to download all of your movies and music legally. You'll get an extra sense of accomplishment by paying out the butt for all the new hardware and figuring out if you can play stuff you legally bought.
Bag o' hurt.
MOST other styles. People are just now finding out that they cannot ever get S-Video or Composite out of these new machines, which leaves out a lot of people in schools and hotel rooms where the only connector available is analog. The can use miniDP->VGA and the a VGA->S-Video converter, but that is one more thing to buy and to carry around.
It'll happen. Apple uses a proprietary cable for their iPods and everyone and their grandma makes those. HDMI cables are proprietary, yet again everyone and their grandma makes them.
If a current MDP to X adapter can be disassembled and reverse engineered someone will figure out a way to make a MDP to DP adapter (or whatever adapter you may desire).
Yes, MOST other styles. That means the folks 'out in the cold' are not the vocal majority.
Actually Apple has been headed this way for some time now. All iPods were changed and now require special cables/docks with video authentication chips in them in order to play video on an external display. This of course killed compatibility with existing cables, docks, and video players already on the market.
This seems kind of dumb.
You're not copying the file, just playing it through another device.
Good thing I don't pay for my videos.
You're not copying the file, just playing it through another device.
Good thing I don't pay for my videos.
Perhaps not, but they are making quite a stink on the Apple forums. Quite a few people are very ticked off, including a lot of teachers and office workers who need the capabilities.
Call to Arms
If you think this is a ridiculously bad business choice on Apple's part then you need to let them know. Apple has always been fairly responsible when it comes to DRM, but this is completely unacceptable. They are putting their customers second to big content, and the only way they'll stop is if we let them know how bad a decision it was for them.
Everyone, go to this feedback page and let them know what you think about their new HDCP support:
http://www.apple.com/feedback/macbook.html
If you think this is a ridiculously bad business choice on Apple's part then you need to let them know. Apple has always been fairly responsible when it comes to DRM, but this is completely unacceptable. They are putting their customers second to big content, and the only way they'll stop is if we let them know how bad a decision it was for them.
Everyone, go to this feedback page and let them know what you think about their new HDCP support:
http://www.apple.com/feedback/macbook.html
nope. Either your projector really IS compliant, or you are connecting via Component or VGA at 720p or 1080i resolution.
And the restriction you're thinking of is the ICT flag, which has not been turned on yet in any commercial blu-rays, but is available for future utilization by the studios. The ICT flag will down-sample the picture on any analog output to something like 540p. Better than DVD, for sure, but 1/2 the maximum number of lines for 1080p. It is unknown at this point whether or not they will ever start producing discs with ICT enabled. HDCP is found on all blu-ray titles and all blu-ray hardware, except for some authoring hardware in the tens of thousands of dollars. HDCP shouldn't have any impact on analog outputs, which is why this is so infuriating for Apple to implement "HDCP" bans on software playback when an analog device is connected. A good VGA or component output looks so much like digital that the human eye can't discern a difference. The real reason digital is "better" is consistency. And because the providers can lock it down.
um...Apple charges anyone who puts an iPod dock on their product a licensing fee.
It's happening across the board....
This totally sucks, yes... but as others have said, this is NOT an "Apple" issue. It's an industry-wide issue. The MPAA demands this garbage be integrated in all the devices that are involved with displaying their movies digitally, and the new standards for display connectors have all locked it in.
The answer is to strip the lousy DRM off your purchased movies, rendering all this stuff a moot point. Yeah, that's illegal under the current DMCA legislation in the United States -- but sometimes, what's "right" and what's "legal" just aren't the same thing.
I don't know about you, but I think the whole idea of copy protection being placed on my purchased or rented DVDs is the ROOT of what's broken.
This totally sucks, yes... but as others have said, this is NOT an "Apple" issue. It's an industry-wide issue. The MPAA demands this garbage be integrated in all the devices that are involved with displaying their movies digitally, and the new standards for display connectors have all locked it in.
The answer is to strip the lousy DRM off your purchased movies, rendering all this stuff a moot point. Yeah, that's illegal under the current DMCA legislation in the United States -- but sometimes, what's "right" and what's "legal" just aren't the same thing.
I don't know about you, but I think the whole idea of copy protection being placed on my purchased or rented DVDs is the ROOT of what's broken.
all the time for those of us that use a Projector as the main visual component of our home theatre system.
The keyword is copy protected. So if anything this will hurt the content providers more than consumers. The consumers will find ways around this problem.
http://cgi.ebay.com/USB-Data-Sync-C...14&_trkparms=72:1234|66:2|65:12|39:1|240:1318
Yep, I'm sure all mfg's pay that fee.