So go back to your wonderful world of Windows.
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Apple Incorporates HDCP (Copy Protection) in New Laptops
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I agree with him and I may just go back with him. You fanboys leave the lights on.
Well, uh, that's not quite true. DVD is an acronym for "Digital Video Disc" or "Digital Versatile Disc". That there is a standard format which is the 4.4GB sized DVD, which is what we generally mean when we refer to a DVD, does not negate the fact that DVD is a generic term. Similarly, CD is an acronym for "Compact Disc", which is a term that can be applied to DVDs equally well (especially if you're old enough to remember movies on Laser Disk... <cringe>). So, while in common usage these terms apply to particular products and product configurations, in principal, there is no reason that these terms can't be used generically.
Yep, I agree completely. I don't see the value of BR right now. Maybe at some point I will. But, in general, I avoid things with DRM. I only buy from iTS when it's a DRM free song. Otherwise, I'll go to Amazon or get a CD. I'd much rather watch a TV show or movie on Hulu or Netflix than pay for the restrictive DRM that infests them on iTS. If it's something that I really want to own, I'll buy plain old DVDs (those I can rip and watch on my iPod or MBP when on the road...). So, as much as I can, I'm voting with my wallet.
Unfortunately, there are many more people who go on more or less oblivious to the DRM and they're voting with their wallets to continue it. Alas.
Actually, almost all of the songs that I've bought from iTunes are DRM-free...
1) DVD is digital versatile disc. The "video" part just got stuck to it because people associated it with video for many years. I also don't think the "DVD" and "CD" terms are generic. I think they are both trademarked. They also are NOT the same. CD, DVD, and Blu-ray each use a different color laser to read the disc. These are not interchangable terms.
2) If you avoid items with DRM, does that mean you don't use DVDs? Unlike the DRM-free CDs, they use copy protection. I don't know if you can say DVDs specifically have DRM, but you are extremely limited on what you can do with the movie discs (play and, um, play). They don't use HDCP, but that's only because the movie studios didn't think to put such technology in at the time.
HDCP is annoying as heckfire, but I'm still going to buy Blu-ray Disc movies. If you have another suggestion for where to get HD movies, I'm all for it. Any HD downloads will be of lesser quality and still laden with DRM (see this iTunes fiasco).
3) As far as iTunes goes, I think it's the record companies that are keeping them from selling DRM-free tracks. I have read many times that one company (Sony?) is purposely letting Amazon sell DRM-free music and not allowing Apple because they don't like iTunes controlling the market so much. I buy music from both, but I can easily take the DRM off my iTunes music. Just burn the music uncompressed to a CD and then rip it right back.
Apple carrying the water for the entertainment industry
I am sick of having to pay for things several times over just because the hardware changes. I swore long ago I'd never buy another Sony product. I am inching closer to that same decision with Apple. They expect us to pay their high prices that are protected by their monopolistic marketing tactics and then make us jump through hoops to use the equipment we bought from them. Who in the heck do they think they are?
I am sick of having to pay for things several times over just because the hardware changes. I swore long ago I'd never buy another Sony product. I am inching closer to that same decision with Apple. They expect us to pay their high prices that are protected by their monopolistic marketing tactics and then make us jump through hoops to use the equipment we bought from them. Who in the heck do they think they are?
So what do you want them to do, please tell us. They want to sell content on their itunes store, the content doesn't belong to me. Therefore they have to negotiate with studios in order to get this content, the studios include this DRM on their content, what should Apple do, rebel against the studio and lose the chance to make money. I just don't get the way some of you think.
Hey so it's Apple's fault that we have DRM, I mean Apple owns all the content on itunes and forces DRM on all it's users.I am sick of having to pay for things several times over just because the hardware changes. I swore long ago I'd never buy another Sony product. I am inching closer to that same decision with Apple. They expect us to pay their high prices that are protected by their monopolistic marketing tactics and then make us jump through hoops to use the equipment we bought from them. Who in the heck do they think they are?
Goof-Up?
The way I see it:
Apple goofed in a big way for not showing the Standard Definition version of protected content when viewed on a non-compliant display.
I fully consider this a bug that will be rectified in a future OS release.
But it still means that all who want to view HD content on their HD capable 23" or 30" Apple monitors won't be able to do so in any quality better than SD. But from what I understand they are entitled to get SD quality.
We had this comming:
The moment HDCP was announced it was clear that HD content will only be viewable on a monitor that supports it (an indication would be an HDMI or DisplayPort connector).
HDCP states that the signal is decrypted in the monitor itself, so the monitor must contain decryption hardware, which older monitors simply don't. So this will never work with any of the older monitors. But that's not Apple's fault. That's the movie industry for you.
How about sending all your obsolete monitors their way so they have to at least recycle them! This should teach them a lesson.
But on the whole HD content not viewable on older Apple monitors was in the cards.
Anyone who expected otherwise didn't really understand the consequences of the HDCP deal.
Perhaps that is part of the 'bag of hurt' Steve Jobs metnioned in regards to BluRay drives...
The way I see it:
Apple goofed in a big way for not showing the Standard Definition version of protected content when viewed on a non-compliant display.
I fully consider this a bug that will be rectified in a future OS release.
But it still means that all who want to view HD content on their HD capable 23" or 30" Apple monitors won't be able to do so in any quality better than SD. But from what I understand they are entitled to get SD quality.
We had this comming:
The moment HDCP was announced it was clear that HD content will only be viewable on a monitor that supports it (an indication would be an HDMI or DisplayPort connector).
HDCP states that the signal is decrypted in the monitor itself, so the monitor must contain decryption hardware, which older monitors simply don't. So this will never work with any of the older monitors. But that's not Apple's fault. That's the movie industry for you.
How about sending all your obsolete monitors their way so they have to at least recycle them! This should teach them a lesson.
But on the whole HD content not viewable on older Apple monitors was in the cards.
Anyone who expected otherwise didn't really understand the consequences of the HDCP deal.
Perhaps that is part of the 'bag of hurt' Steve Jobs metnioned in regards to BluRay drives...
How is it false? Are you taking about the story or Toyotas claim that if you take a picture of the car, it's their IP?
I always regarded "a bag of hurt" as a joke and I thought it was once the worse statement made by Steve.
Now I know he is right.... sad...
We really lost freedom in using digital content, even as common as connecting a notebook to a projector and play movie.
Now I know he is right....
sad...We really lost freedom in using digital content, even as common as connecting a notebook to a projector and play movie.
I always regarded "a bag of hurt" as a joke and I thought it was once the worse statement made by Steve.
Now I know he is right....
We really lost freedom in using digital content, even as common as connecting a notebook to a projector and play movie.
The only thing he has to stand on now is the cost of licensing, which Sony does seem to charge an arm and a leg for. I have read that indies don't release any Blu-ray movies yet because of the extreme licensing cost to use the format.
I am not really against HDCP being used for Blu-ray since it was part of it from the beginning, so it's not a shock. But to require it for movie downloads that I can right now watch on my 16-month-old MBP? Ludicrous. This is adding insult to injury with the new DisplayPort, which I still haven't heard of outside of a story about the new Apple notebooks. Why this is so much better than HDMI is beyond me since HDMI is so darn common AND can carry audio.
Applying the "bag of hurt" remark that SJ associated with Blu-ray to the presence of HDCP is just as fallacious as the internet creation comment attributed to Al Gore.
HDCP is a DRM scheme independently developed (by Intel) for digital video connections, including HDMI, DVI, and DisplayPort, which the new MB/MBP employ.
Blu-ray discs (as well as HD DVDs) are protected by AACS, and on top of that BD+.
BD+ is the only method exclusive to Blu-ray, and involves a VM running on the player. In all likelihood, BD+ is what triggered Jobs' comment since it involves an independently running process on the host machine, with a potential for trouble similar to the Sony BMG rootkit fiasco.
Although Blu-ray players employ HDMI connectors, and by extension HDCP, the attempt to connect HDCP to Blu-ray like some are doing is tenuous at best, and disingenuous at worst.
This has little to do with Blu-ray, as the last two sentences of the MR bit want to imply. HDCP support is part of the DisplayPort standard, so it would have been there whether Blu-ray or Sony is involved or not.
HDCP is a DRM scheme independently developed (by Intel) for digital video connections, including HDMI, DVI, and DisplayPort, which the new MB/MBP employ.
Blu-ray discs (as well as HD DVDs) are protected by AACS, and on top of that BD+.
BD+ is the only method exclusive to Blu-ray, and involves a VM running on the player. In all likelihood, BD+ is what triggered Jobs' comment since it involves an independently running process on the host machine, with a potential for trouble similar to the Sony BMG rootkit fiasco.
Although Blu-ray players employ HDMI connectors, and by extension HDCP, the attempt to connect HDCP to Blu-ray like some are doing is tenuous at best, and disingenuous at worst.
This has little to do with Blu-ray, as the last two sentences of the MR bit want to imply. HDCP support is part of the DisplayPort standard, so it would have been there whether Blu-ray or Sony is involved or not.
The following was info I found over at arstechnia.com in the forum of this very same news. Requiem was news to me and a revelation -- my 1,000 file iTunes library has been liberated! Requiem works WONDERFULLY on both audio and video files!*
I did a search for "Requiem 1.8.1" which is the version need for iTunes 8.0.1 (which I believe is the latest version of iTunes.)
I did a search for "Requiem 1.8.1" which is the version need for iTunes 8.0.1 (which I believe is the latest version of iTunes.)
David Bradbury said:
* Be sure and Read the README, especially for your video files.masaccio said:
A very reasonable answer. Apple does not create content, they only resell it.
I don't know if this is a true statement or not. What I do know, is that if HDMI were to pass digital 1080p video with no copy protection or encryption, then a method to digitally capture and copy the video stream would be invented nearly overnight.
If it doesn't exist then it's simply proof that the protection the content providers need is working.
Everyone viewing this as an Apple problem is being terribly shortsighted. If they want to play in the MPAA world then they have to play by the same rules as everyone else. This is an industry issue, not an Apple issue.
If DisplayPort is the new 'standard' (I hadn't heard of it until now) then why is EVERYONE else using HDMI? It's the ONLY thing (other than component) on new video equipment like Blu-Ray. Even the LG 24" monitor I bought earlier this year has HDMI on it (it came with a DVI to HDMI cable). As for thinner, I couldn't care less. I bought the previous generation MBP after the new ones came out because it has full size DVI (and oddly WILL play those movies without complaining), two firewire ports and a matte screen AND I saved over $500 over the new MBP's price on clearance plus a rebate ($1444 total).
But even my AppleTV will play HD movie rentals over the analog component ports, so I don't buy this HDCP crap for standard definition iTunes movies. Even a standard DVD player will play without complaining over a fully analog connection and as far as I know to date, ALL Blu-Ray movies will play in HD over component (analog) thus far (none have enabled the flag to deny it beacause they KNOW a lot of people have pre-HDMI HD displays and will complain or not buy it).
People can argue Hollywood is allowed to do whatever they want with their movies, etc., but frankly I simply won't buy something that restricts me so much I can't even view the stuff I legally bought. It's like copy protection on video games over the years. The people buying the stuff get hammered with absurd dark colored code sheets, etc. and DVD dongles and what not while the pirates get versions without any hassles and can install without any dongles needed to run it. So the 'good guys' get punished and the pirates get the best stuff. If that's not screwed up, I don't know what is.
Yeah, HDMI is downright HUGE.
Most average PC laptops manage to stack two vertically they're so big.If DisplayPort is the new 'standard' (I hadn't heard of it until now) then why is EVERYONE else using HDMI? It's the ONLY thing (other than component) on new video equipment like Blu-Ray. Even the LG 24" monitor I bought earlier this year has HDMI on it (it came with a DVI to HDMI cable). As for thinner, I couldn't care less. I bought the previous generation MBP after the new ones came out because it has full size DVI (and oddly WILL play those movies without complaining), two firewire ports and a matte screen AND I saved over $500 over the new MBP's price on clearance plus a rebate ($1444 total).
But even my AppleTV will play HD movie rentals over the analog component ports, so I don't buy this HDCP crap for standard definition iTunes movies. Even a standard DVD player will play without complaining over a fully analog connection and as far as I know to date, ALL Blu-Ray movies will play in HD over component (analog) thus far (none have enabled the flag to deny it beacause they KNOW a lot of people have pre-HDMI HD displays and will complain or not buy it).
People can argue Hollywood is allowed to do whatever they want with their movies, etc., but frankly I simply won't buy something that restricts me so much I can't even view the stuff I legally bought. It's like copy protection on video games over the years. The people buying the stuff get hammered with absurd dark colored code sheets, etc. and DVD dongles and what not while the pirates get versions without any hassles and can install without any dongles needed to run it. So the 'good guys' get punished and the pirates get the best stuff. If that's not screwed up, I don't know what is.
Yeah, HDMI is downright HUGE.
^^^ Mag has probably one of the best posts on the thread.
I read the DisplayPort entry on Wikipedia. Pretty much summed everything up. Woo, it has a lot of new features. Woo, I can't use it with my HDTV and don't plan on spending $8 million on an Apple monitor. HDMI can do both audio and video, so WHY THE HELL DIDN'T APPLE USE THIS? It's capable of HDCP and in MILLIONS more displays than DisplayPort. The tech specs read like some nerd's wet dream, perhaps why this made it onto the new notebooks.
That video game copy protection has gotten quite annoying. It also applies to big software like Adobe Creative Suite. Have both a desktop AND laptop? NO SOUP FOR YOU! I get that they want people who use this stuff for profit to pay for each copy, but give us homies a little break. Some of you ought to see the annoying problems caused by multiple computers using fonts or needing a lot of connections to a server.
And as the above poster said, the pirates will figure out how to bypass all of this stuff in about a week, leaving the rest of us chained with a bunch of restrictions.
I especially enjoyed the HDMI and DisplayPort comparison. OOH, huge size difference. I should also point out that despite the claims of Dell offering the first computer with DP, I never saw any mention about it when buying a Dell earlier in 2008. Patooey.
More like PC laptops are huge. You can stack two MacBooks vertically next to them they're so big.Yeah, HDMI is downright HUGE.
Without straying too far off-topic, this statement reveals you have little familiarity with the licensing terms of a legitimate copy of Creative Suite. You are allowed to install and activate it on two machines. People who don't pay for software have no right to complain.
I believe it's Office: Mac that allows a copy for a personal desktop and portable. I don't really feel like reading the EULA again though.