Exactly, we rent a movie but can't play it on TV, like buying a broken product. Is it possible to get a refund?
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Apple Incorporates HDCP (Copy Protection) in New Laptops
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
Exactly, we rent a movie but can't play it on TV, like buying a broken product. Is it possible to get a refund?
How is this going to work with desktop machines?
Are people going to have to buy all new monitors just to watch movies? What about current video cards and minis that can't have their video updated?
The one tiny glimmer of a positive about this is that it might be one step closer to bluray movies on Mac.
Are people going to have to buy all new monitors just to watch movies? What about current video cards and minis that can't have their video updated?
The one tiny glimmer of a positive about this is that it might be one step closer to bluray movies on Mac.
It almost encourages piracy. They are going against the wrong people here. It's highly unlikely that someone will make an illegal cinema out of this. How many people are allowed to cram around my iMac screen before my audience is too many for my DVD films?
Copyright makes sense if someone else deserves credit or if they stand to make money of something that isn't theirs.
It makes no sense in cases like this. If I buy a song, I really should be allowed to play it any damn way I want to and on whatever media I want to. Especially with digital media. Price is higher, sure, but give us the damn feedom or it will backlash.
Pirates aren't affected. It's the consumer. Again.
Copyright makes sense if someone else deserves credit or if they stand to make money of something that isn't theirs.
It makes no sense in cases like this. If I buy a song, I really should be allowed to play it any damn way I want to and on whatever media I want to. Especially with digital media. Price is higher, sure, but give us the damn feedom or it will backlash.
Pirates aren't affected. It's the consumer. Again.
Always finding the silver lining.
Just think; if we nuke the world, we can start over!
Lol, I know you didn't mean it like that. I'm having fun.
Next step, turning on the iSight so they can charge you per person.
Anyone else getting really sick of Apple??
- You pay sky high prices for yesterday's technology.
- They drop features (firewire) to tactically upsell to a more expensive product.
- Refusal to add blu-ray and make bad excuses while trying to push HD downloads which...
- ...you now can't play on an 'unauthorised' display.
And what do you get for it all? OSX and pretty design. Sorry, but as much as a pain as Windows is, it might not actually be as bad as living under the Jobs' dictatorship.
''Life without walls''. Suddenly, Bill Gates looks very right indeed.
- You pay sky high prices for yesterday's technology.
- They drop features (firewire) to tactically upsell to a more expensive product.
- Refusal to add blu-ray and make bad excuses while trying to push HD downloads which...
- ...you now can't play on an 'unauthorised' display.
And what do you get for it all? OSX and pretty design. Sorry, but as much as a pain as Windows is, it might not actually be as bad as living under the Jobs' dictatorship.
''Life without walls''. Suddenly, Bill Gates looks very right indeed.
What a bunch of crap. DRM is NOT the way of the future. This highly restricts the entire point of having a computer capable of outputting high quality media at an acceptable frame rate! Good god Apple, get your act together. You used to be cool, now you're turning into THE MAN.
I watch EVERYTHING on a projector. I don't have a television.
That said, my projector has HDMI and supports HDCP so I'm fine.
Xbox 360 games are only 720P, which component cables handle fine. There would be virtually no difference at all between quality component cable and HDMI at this resolution, and very little at 1080I (component cannot handle 1080P).
Component most certainly CAN handle 1080P IF the component INPUT supports it.
My brother plays his XBOX 360 via Component registering in at 1080P. He plays one of the GTA games (AFAIK) this way. Looks quite stunning.
Wikipedia said:
You should read the discussion page as there are several references to the fact that it is part of the VESA 1.2 standard that is to be released and Apple documents refer to it as a new standard and that the actual part manufacturer (Molex) says it is non-proprietary.
Never knew it was supposed to be a forum for apologists only. Perhaps they should have named it Macpologist.com instead?
Not at all, I've been a Mac guy for years now. I'm just questioning their practices of late....can't I do that?? What is this..communism??
How about an HDCP adaptor so the computer thinks it's playing into an HDCP monitor and out the other side into your projector. Just some more crap to buy. It is REALLY dumb. DRM, now this built into hardware. This is idiotic. the hope is that apple is being forced by the industry to do such a thing and it's not Apple pushing this trash.
I can't agree with you iSlave although your frustration is your opinion.
I don't think the prices are high for what you get
Firewire is still on the iMac and pro... Even though more people are using laptops for their main PC, it's main use, IMO, doesn't really call for FW
There are reasons for no blu-ray support that many feel are valid. How well does blu-ray play on your Dell?
J
I can't agree with you iSlave although your frustration is your opinion.
I don't think the prices are high for what you get
Firewire is still on the iMac and pro... Even though more people are using laptops for their main PC, it's main use, IMO, doesn't really call for FW
There are reasons for no blu-ray support that many feel are valid. How well does blu-ray play on your Dell?
J
This whole issue with HDCP doesn't affect me at all in reality. I use an iMac as my main, and only, computer and it has firewire 400/800. What bothers me is the direction that Apple seems to be taking of late, and what it might mean for the future. No-one wants to go shopping at Dell, but if Apple remove firewire altogether from the iMac at all....I think I'd have to jump ship. I do a lot of video work, and can't afford a Mac Pro.
Anyway, don't let this become a 'firewire on the imac' thread...already plenty of those.
Anyway, don't let this become a 'firewire on the imac' thread...already plenty of those.
Don't worry. I won't. I was merely pointing out a flaw in the thinking that there was only a very narrow set of "main uses" in his definition.
For the last ten years we haven't had TV. The cable from our antennae has a short in it and we never fixed it. But we do watch a lot of movies. About a year ago we bought a low-end Dell projector to replace our 19" tube TV. There's no going back. We have a 110" picture and for playing Wii it's the best thing in the world. I occasionally hook my White MacBook up to watch something on Hulu, but that's about it.
The only movies I have bought from iTunes are a couple music videos and some Pixar shorts. This excessively intrusive form of DRM will assure that I never buy another video from them. I will continue to use Handbrake from here on out.
This doesn't hold true for me personally (unless ripping a DVD I own counts), but I believe that if consumers are treated as pirates, they will act as such.
The only movies I have bought from iTunes are a couple music videos and some Pixar shorts. This excessively intrusive form of DRM will assure that I never buy another video from them. I will continue to use Handbrake from here on out.
This doesn't hold true for me personally (unless ripping a DVD I own counts), but I believe that if consumers are treated as pirates, they will act as such.
has anyone thought of it this way? hdcp is really annoying right now, but once projectors and all the tv's catch up and become HDCP compatible this wont be an issue anymore?
That is, until Apple releases a new AppleTV that uses DisplayPort, and you buy it because Apple will discontinue support for the old one, and connect it to a TV that doesn't support HDCP, and it shows the same error when you attempt to play a movie downloaded from iTunes.
Wow... this is a big deal -- and MUCH more restrictive than the Blu-ray implementation of HDCP that every Apple fan was so against before.
HDCP is required for Blu-ray over digital outputs (DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort). Analog connections (VGA and component video) are exempted as it doesn't work over those connections. (There is a "potential" analog sunset clause that will eventually allow content producers to restrict analog output to 1/4 resolution, but that's still years away, and doesn't allow them to outright block playback.)
Apple preventing playback of select iTunes content over VGA to a projector is unbelievably restrictive -- made even moreso by the fact that notebook screens (the built-in ones) use an analog connection themselves. So, Apple presumably allows analog/non-HDCP connections to the internal screen but not to any external device -- instead requiring HDCP-compliant digital displays.
The fact that Apple never bothered to add HDCP support to their monitor line-up (at least until the newest LED 24") should have people up in arms. Every 20"+ monitor made by any other manufacturer has pretty much supported HDCP over DVI for years now. For Apple to never bother implementing it, and then suddenly require it, is inexcusable.
I very much hope that Apple has just temporarily "misapplied" the digital requirement for HDCP to include analog outputs, and they will correctly issue an update that allows for such analog connections soon. Even then, though, anyone with an existing Apple Cinema Display is going to be very upset by having their monitors rendered useless.
HDCP is required for Blu-ray over digital outputs (DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort). Analog connections (VGA and component video) are exempted as it doesn't work over those connections. (There is a "potential" analog sunset clause that will eventually allow content producers to restrict analog output to 1/4 resolution, but that's still years away, and doesn't allow them to outright block playback.)
Apple preventing playback of select iTunes content over VGA to a projector is unbelievably restrictive -- made even moreso by the fact that notebook screens (the built-in ones) use an analog connection themselves. So, Apple presumably allows analog/non-HDCP connections to the internal screen but not to any external device -- instead requiring HDCP-compliant digital displays.
The fact that Apple never bothered to add HDCP support to their monitor line-up (at least until the newest LED 24") should have people up in arms. Every 20"+ monitor made by any other manufacturer has pretty much supported HDCP over DVI for years now. For Apple to never bother implementing it, and then suddenly require it, is inexcusable.
I very much hope that Apple has just temporarily "misapplied" the digital requirement for HDCP to include analog outputs, and they will correctly issue an update that allows for such analog connections soon. Even then, though, anyone with an existing Apple Cinema Display is going to be very upset by having their monitors rendered useless.