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Um, no. The current mac mini is completely unaffected by this.

Any new mac mini that happens to get displayport and HDCP support would also be okay as in a home entertainment system if it's connected to a HDTV as they have had HDCP for years now.

I am not sure why this so is so hard to understand for people. All recent HDTVs are compliant. As long as you are watching content that you own. What am I missing here?

Ripping DVD's to put on a hard drive may be an issue as far as media centers go but only from the Blue Ray on up.
 
I am not sure why this so is so hard to understand for people. All recent HDTVs are compliant. As long as you are watching content that you own. What am I missing here?

Ripping DVD's to put on a hard drive may be an issue as far as media centers go but only from the Blue Ray on up.
It IS an issue if you want to display on a computer display or projector that does not have hdcp. No Apple Cinema Display has ever had HDCP support until this new 24" LED. Not everybody outputs to an HDTV (I don't own or want one).
 
It IS an issue if you want to display on a computer display or projector that does not have hdcp. No Apple Cinema Display has ever had HDCP support until this new 24" LED. Not everybody outputs to an HDTV (I don't own or want one).

I see ok, when did HDCP support start going into computer LCD's in general? Was Apple late to the game on that ( I suppose they were because the Cinema Displays have not been updated in a while) TV's have had this for quite some time I believe.
 
I see ok, when did HDCP support start going into computer LCD's in general? Was Apple late to the game on that ( I suppose they were because the Cinema Displays have not been updated in a while) TV's have had this for quite some time I believe.
Yes, Apple was late (as usual). My Dell 2005fpw did not have DHCP support, but my son's 2007fpw does have it (the first display that I know of with HDCP). Of course any computer display with an HDMI input I suspect must also have HDCP (like the Gateway in my sig).
 
I see ok, when did HDCP support start going into computer LCD's in general? Was Apple late to the game on that ( I suppose they were because the Cinema Displays have not been updated in a while) TV's have had this for quite some time I believe.

Yep, Apple was late into the game. As people have noted, many Dell displays have had HDCP support for several years now.

I'm not sure if my projector has HDCP support, come to think of it, I should check.

But this is rapidly going to become less of an issue as more and more displays (including projectors) become compliant. It would be nice if Apple could implement a way to deal with non-compliant displays (i.e. show at half resolution) instead of just "Bzzt! Game over."
 
Um, no. The current mac mini is completely unaffected by this.

Any new mac mini that happens to get displayport and HDCP support would also be okay as in a home entertainment system if it's connected to a HDTV as they have had HDCP for years now.

Oh yes.. Sorry. Missed that.
 
Oh my God. Now i will have to close all the windows everytime i wan´t to see a DVD. Since if any other people is able to watch my DVD, i can go to jail! :confused:

We can´t let these things happen.
 
But the iTunes store proved that if you price the content cheaply enough, they will want to pay for it. It's legal, and the downloads are faster and safer than using other methods.

But add too many restrictions, and they'll go right back to downloading it illegally.

For me this is the most valid point!!!

Why in hell anyone would pay 15$ or more for a movie and then only can play it in some monitors??

Worse than the price is the restrictions that bring people to download illegal sutff!

Bottom line is when blu-ray start to be the standard their would be ways (hacks) to play it in non-hdcp monitors... people don't like to many restrictions!! :mad:
 
iTunes plus may not have DRM restrictions, but it does carry a far amount of personal information with it.

There was an early rumor about this that was later disproved. If you have any evidence that this has since become the case, please share and provide a link. To simply make blanket accusations like this merely spread FUD.

1) DVD is digital versatile disc. The "video" part just got stuck to it because people associated it with video for many years. I also don't think the "DVD" and "CD" terms are generic. I think they are both trademarked. They also are NOT the same. CD, DVD, and Blu-ray each use a different color laser to read the disc. These are not interchangable terms.

"DVD" is not trademarked.

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is trademarked.

There is a difference between the generic term, and the trademarked term. Also, the acronym was originally "Digital Video Disc" but was changed to "Digital Versatile Disc" when they started being used for data.

As to the applicability of the different terms to one another, consider this, quoted from the trademark for DVD:

compact discs containing digital information for display of filmed products

Compact disc? CD? So a DVD is a CD?

2) If you avoid items with DRM, does that mean you don't use DVDs? Unlike the DRM-free CDs, they use copy protection. I don't know if you can say DVDs specifically have DRM, but you are extremely limited on what you can do with the movie discs (play and, um, play). They don't use HDCP, but that's only because the movie studios didn't think to put such technology in at the time.

HDCP is annoying as heckfire, but I'm still going to buy Blu-ray Disc movies. If you have another suggestion for where to get HD movies, I'm all for it. Any HD downloads will be of lesser quality and still laden with DRM (see this iTunes fiasco).

Okay, so let's consider what DRM is. This is software that links a digital file to a particular playback device or devices. A DVD has no such thing. Sure, they have copy protection, but that's a little different. If I download a movie from iTunes, I cannot bring it with me to my parents house to watch with them. On the other hand, if I buy a DVD, I certainly can. As as far as being limited in what you can do, what else do you want to do with a movie you buy? Re-edit it so it has a different ending? Playing the movie is what you've bought the rights to do. But the problem with DRM is that it restricts your rights to even play the movie. That's why I avoid DRM.

3) As far as iTunes goes, I think it's the record companies that are keeping them from selling DRM-free tracks. I have read many times that one company (Sony?) is purposely letting Amazon sell DRM-free music and not allowing Apple because they don't like iTunes controlling the market so much. I buy music from both, but I can easily take the DRM off my iTunes music. Just burn the music uncompressed to a CD and then rip it right back.

Yes, I believe you're right. Personally, I like the iTS. I'll be happy to buy more music there once they manage to negotiate getting the DRM free versions of more songs.

^^^ Mag has probably one of the best posts on the thread.

I read the DisplayPort entry on Wikipedia. Pretty much summed everything up. Woo, it has a lot of new features. Woo, I can't use it with my HDTV and don't plan on spending $8 million on an Apple monitor. HDMI can do both audio and video, so WHY THE HELL DIDN'T APPLE USE THIS? It's capable of HDCP and in MILLIONS more displays than DisplayPort. The tech specs read like some nerd's wet dream, perhaps why this made it onto the new notebooks.

That video game copy protection has gotten quite annoying. It also applies to big software like Adobe Creative Suite. Have both a desktop AND laptop? NO SOUP FOR YOU! I get that they want people who use this stuff for profit to pay for each copy, but give us homies a little break. Some of you ought to see the annoying problems caused by multiple computers using fonts or needing a lot of connections to a server.

And as the above poster said, the pirates will figure out how to bypass all of this stuff in about a week, leaving the rest of us chained with a bunch of restrictions.

I especially enjoyed the HDMI and DisplayPort comparison. OOH, huge size difference. I should also point out that despite the claims of Dell offering the first computer with DP, I never saw any mention about it when buying a Dell earlier in 2008. Patooey.

If you want a more insightful read about the advantages and disadvantages of each, and why there is going to be a move toward DisplayPort, I suggest the Electronics Design Strategy News article "DisplayPort versus HDMI: Do we really need two digital-display-interface standards?". The choice to move toward DisplayPort really is in the same vein as the choice to implement USB. And does anyone criticize Apple for moving to USB now?

Because in a world where "everyone does it", movie studios just quit making movies. Good ones that cost a ton of money, anyway.

It was the same thing in the early pre-"Star Wars" 70's; theater attendance was at its lowest ever in the history of film, so movies were absolute lowest of low budget crap. Until Star Wars, and people not only started going to theaters again, they lined up around the block.

Keep stealing, and there soon won't be ANYTHING out there WORTH stealing. Movies, music, video games, or software.

Count on it.

It's time to cork the genie back in the bottle. Apple's on the right side of history on this one.

:apple:

Well, I see one problem with this argument. Let's consider "Iron Man" as an example. Estimates put the cost of the film at between $140M and $180M. Okay, so that's pretty expensive. But, what about box office returns? This is money from the film before it's on DVD, BR or iTunes download. For Iron Man, the opening weekend box office returns were $206M, worldwide. Now, of course, that's gross numbers, not net. But if we were to assume that the studios got 25% of that (I don't know how much the studios actually see, so this is just a guess), then they'd be at $51.5M after the opening weekend. I think that it's quite reasonable that they'd make more than four times that amount during the theater run. So, the movie paid for itself with just the theater run.

ALL MONEY FROM DVD AND ONLINE SALES END UP BEING PURE PROFIT.

Sure, that profit makes it more attractive to make these movies, but let's not kid ourselves that the movie studios would be losing money on these movies if they didn't have money from the DVD and online sales.
 
I'd like to take this opportunity to say I told you so, and to post this picture:

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It will always work? There's no guarantee of that. Someday, perhaps far in the future, things like MP3s may not work with newer technology. Because we've all moved on. R.I.P. 8-track...
 
It will always work? There's no guarantee of that. Someday, perhaps far in the future, things like MP3s may not work with newer technology. Because we've all moved on. R.I.P. 8-track...

There's a difference between physical media and digital media.

With that said, I have all my audio in uncompressed and/or lossless because of quality but just as much because of future proofing my audio.
 
True, digital media gives you more possibilities, but still no guarantee of future compatibility.

Nope. But there is quite a bigger chance that some sort of equipment will be able to play it. It may not be the best equipment, but you'll most likely be able to play it.
But, I agree to the extent that there is no _guarantee_ (unless you're taking a hit on the quality) that it will play
 
True, digital media gives you more possibilities, but still no guarantee of future compatibility.

I think you're right, but I want to make a comment.

Although Mp3 may fade away to other formats, digital audio should stick with us for a long, long while. By buying your media in a digital format, it will allow you to convert it into another form. Much like the way CDs can be put to an iPod. It future-proofs (for the time being) CDs. You can use yesterdays media with todays technology. Kind of.
 
Pretty lame if you ask me... When you cant play a DVD you Purchased on an external monitor.

Big Brother is watching


DVDs don't use DRM, you won't have problems with DVDs. The problem is with DRM-protected material that uses HDCP. DVDs don't use HDCP.

Support DVDs. Don't support Blu-Ray and DRM-protected downloads. That's the message. DVDs are the "good guys" except for the country code aspect.
 
What's wrong with Blu-Ray? I know there's DRM involved, but it's no way near as intrusive as downloads. At least if you buy a Blu-Ray you can take it to a friends house to watch, and it won't 'expire' after a certain amount of time etc...

Downloads are truly the spawn of Satan. Avoid.
 
But, what about box office returns? This is money from the film before it's on DVD, BR or iTunes download. For Iron Man, the opening weekend box office returns were $206M, worldwide. Now, of course, that's gross numbers, not net. But if we were to assume that the studios got 25% of that (I don't know how much the studios actually see, so this is just a guess), then they'd be at $51.5M after the opening weekend.

Typically with first run movies the movie company gets close to 90% of the take, and usually a guarantee of such and such a minimum. The only way theaters make money really is selling overpriced popcorn, soda, and candy. If it wasn't for the concession stand, theaters would be out of business in a week.
 
Just get Bluray movies from Netflix and run AnyDVD HD. Sheesh. :D Disclaimer: I am not endorsing, encouraging, or admitting to any form of piracy, content theft, or fraud. This is simply a joke on my part and nothing else more.

Keep stealing, and there soon won't be ANYTHING out there WORTH stealing. Movies, music, video games, or software.

It's okay; I'll just play Left 4 Dead.

With Steam, you can't pirate.
 
Typically with first run movies the movie company gets close to 90% of the take, and usually a guarantee of such and such a minimum. The only way theaters make money really is selling overpriced popcorn, soda, and candy. If it wasn't for the concession stand, theaters would be out of business in a week.

Thus, you're making my point even better. If the studio took 90% of the $206M that came in on the opening weekend, then they took $185.4M. So, the movie was paid for from the first weekend revenues!

Again, everything that the studios make off of DVD and online sales is profit. If they offered free downloads of movies in HD format, they'd still have made a profit on most movies.

(Now, granted, part of the argument for the profit on movies like Iron Man is that these movies help to pay for the movies that aren't as big of money makers, or are even money losers. But, I think that argument is tenuous, at best.)
 
I'm NOT going to read through millions of posts, but IMHO, this smacks of one of the things Apple needed to do before it got the license to put Blu-Ray into its Macs.

BJ

Yup. I think we all knew Steven was chock full of BS when he said they didn't include Blu-Ray due to the licensing issues. Instead he should have said that Apple is (once again) late to the party and trying to play catch up.

All Apple had to do was say this new DisplayPort has HDCP incorporated in it. Instead, we were just told during the keynote that it provides a pure digital connection and a much better picture.

Does this affect playing from iPod/Touch/iPhone as well? I'm still kind of confused as to what will work and what won't.
 
I just sent a negative feedback to Apple.

http://www.apple.com/feedback/macbookpro.html

If more people complain, maybe they will hear us. I was going to upgrade my 1 year old MBP to the new one, but after hearing about DRM video, I will hold off for a while. This DRM on video (HDCP) will push more people to download the media from "alternative" sources. Didn't movie industry learn from music industry? DRM doesn't work, period. All it does is hurt the legit buyer from using the media.
 
Well, I see one problem with this argument. Let's consider "Iron Man" as an example. Estimates put the cost of the film at between $140M and $180M. Okay, so that's pretty expensive. But, what about box office returns? This is money from the film before it's on DVD, BR or iTunes download. For Iron Man, the opening weekend box office returns were $206M, worldwide. Now, of course, that's gross numbers, not net. But if we were to assume that the studios got 25% of that (I don't know how much the studios actually see, so this is just a guess), then they'd be at $51.5M after the opening weekend. I think that it's quite reasonable that they'd make more than four times that amount during the theater run. So, the movie paid for itself with just the theater run.

ALL MONEY FROM DVD AND ONLINE SALES END UP BEING PURE PROFIT.

Sure, that profit makes it more attractive to make these movies, but let's not kid ourselves that the movie studios would be losing money on these movies if they didn't have money from the DVD and online sales.

And let's not forget that there aren't that many "Iron Man's". The movie that you cited as an example is an absolute best case scenario for the studios. That has to cover a lot of under performers.
 
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