Is there not a fee for returning it? If so, it would be pretty golden for them to get both that fee AND money from a new iPhone?
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Apple Increases 1st Quarter iPhone Shipments to 21 Million, Including the Verizon iPh
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Is there not a fee for returning it? If so, it would be pretty golden for them to get both that fee AND money from a new iPhone?
Why can't the increase in production simply be the added number of white iPhones that are expected to go on sale Spring 2011?
Although I do agree with you that a high number of returns can happen if a Verizon phone is announced early January, there are also arguments pulling in the other direction. It strikes me as more than a coincidence that the Mac App Store announcement is occurring on the very same day, January 6, as the start of the CES; perhaps setting the stage for a reciprocal co-announcement with Steve and the Verizon CEO. Also, I think Apple wants to head-off any further Android phone market penetration and can better accomplish that with an early January announcement. Last point, Steve announced the iPad1 to the world on 1/27/10 and I look for the iPad2 to be announced at about the same time in 2011. I just don't think 2 major separate product announcements will happen at the same time, that being the end of January.
China, anyone?
Only Verizon fans and US stock analysts have been speculating the device is for Verizon, when all along the real target is China.
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It would be so cool if the app store(and maybe some other upcoming goodies) were announced/opened by Steve,and the same day over at CES the Verizon iphone hits.CES will again be all about Apple without them even attending.
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I don't know, The MacMini roller coaster was pretty ridiculous.
Here's my dilemma, like anyone gives a rat sass. Think I'm getting a new job so I'll finally be able to afford an iPhone. But I don't want either ATT or V. I want it on Tmo. But if exclusivity is ending, Tmo has a shot at getting it too, which means rates will likely go up. So I've been considering buying a slightly used one on ebay and grandfathering in to the good T-mo rates. But I'm also a little torn because I'm halfway to iPhone 5 so maybe I should just suck it up and wait a little longer and deal with the somewhat higher rates. Meh.
I don't know, The MacMini roller coaster was pretty ridiculous.
Here's my dilemma, like anyone gives a rat sass. Think I'm getting a new job so I'll finally be able to afford an iPhone. But I don't want either ATT or V. I want it on Tmo. But if exclusivity is ending, Tmo has a shot at getting it too, which means rates will likely go up. So I've been considering buying a slightly used one on ebay and grandfathering in to the good T-mo rates. But I'm also a little torn because I'm halfway to iPhone 5 so maybe I should just suck it up and wait a little longer and deal with the somewhat higher rates. Meh.
I'm thinking that the Verizon iPhone will be announced in January, but go on sale in June. Thus keeping in line with their traditional iPhone release cycle. It's hard to imagine Apple having two different release cycles for the same product in a year. That would really make things worse as the earlier release on CDMA would have any new features and the the later release on GSM would have to wait six months for their new features.
Or, Apple could bump up the GSM release to match the new CDMA release and really tick off everyone who just bought an iPhone 4 in the last six months. Although that may not be unheard of. Remember the price drop after the initial release of the iPhone? I heard one or two people that bought one at launch were slightly miffed.
Or, Apple could bump up the GSM release to match the new CDMA release and really tick off everyone who just bought an iPhone 4 in the last six months. Although that may not be unheard of. Remember the price drop after the initial release of the iPhone? I heard one or two people that bought one at launch were slightly miffed.
- I am not going to add much value to this argument as its been beaten down to death but there are some points to ponder upon.
> One day or the other, the iPhone has to come to Verizon. That may be Jan 2011 or June 2011 or December 2012. Summary - I don't know; but it has to come.
VERIZON POV
> Verizon has had a serious sales bump due to android which has proved itself to be a successful operating system. But still Verizon, a brand, the largest network in the United States is still stated as the one that doesn't carry the iPhone. The iPhone being so special that even a guy from Afghanistan would know about it.
So apart from the sales argument, Verizon needs the iPhone to stand with AT&T and boost about it. It needs to fill the minds of the common man that the most original touchscreen smartphone is there with them now.
Summary - A substance of pride and glory.
> Verizon does seem to slow down the android ship in the recent months. One big reason points to their very focus shifting to the iPhone. Very similar to the previous point, Verizon sees iPhone as a whole new device as compared to the legacy of android devices it carries at the moment. I believe (as everyone) that they are in the process of distributing their resources, but more than ever this time. Other hints for eg, Verizon carrying the iPad, which is not CDMA capable insists the fact that they(Verizon) are working very closely with Apple.
Summary - Verizon itself hints to more iPhone and Apple in general.
> Apart from the fact that "Verizon doesn't carry the iPhone" which is a rude statement in itself (for Verizon), their sales haven't been up to the mark recently. The growth did stunt down in the very recent quarter, much due to the incoming iPhone 4.
Summary - Verizon does need the iPhone (less doubts).
Apple POV
> There is not a doubt saying that Apple has faced a lot of criticism about not being CDMA equipped and they need to come up with a solution for that.
Summary - Apple doesn't provide complete mobile solutions and hence, they need to cover that as well.
> There is no doubt saying that Android has taken a huge share of iPhone sales in the smartphone market and I believe that google's android is much responsible for the bad name that apple has received in the past 6-12 months. If iPhone had been on Verizon from day one, the situation wouldn't have been the same.
Well, this is the internet and you cant hold people from talking about you and your company but Apple does realize that they'll be able to keep lots in control if they distribute the iPhone on different carriers so that people don't become anti-apple.
Summary - company market value has been seriously effected by android and sub-smartphone systems.
> Again, Android has proved to be a very successful competitor to iOS and the iPhone in general and Apple doesn't see their growth slowing down in the coming weeks/months. Apart from the software development at Apple, it surely needs to focus on Android's strong sales points. Android imo has been a carrier's bitch. I wouldn't say it's a bad idea but it surely is a good idea interms of business and market-share development. As we were nearing the recession in 2009, Google did see the carriers playing a very important role and agreed to cooperate with them in every way possible.
It did prove to be non-beneficiary for the consumers (added costs + bloatware ~ separate blog) for the most part but for Google, it turned out to be a blessing in disguise. But one could easily attribute far ending positive consequences of the same. For eg. huge sales for android would result in a better developer community as well as a better choice for consumers. I do contradict myself but there are +'s and -'s for either practices. Apple must learn, that they need to grow to other carriers to gain market-share and keep their flagship device open to the mass public.
Summary - new sales practices for the iPhone.
- These points don't provide a very different picture but insist on a very unsurprising fact that the iPhone will land on Verizon very soon.
> One day or the other, the iPhone has to come to Verizon. That may be Jan 2011 or June 2011 or December 2012. Summary - I don't know; but it has to come.
VERIZON POV
> Verizon has had a serious sales bump due to android which has proved itself to be a successful operating system. But still Verizon, a brand, the largest network in the United States is still stated as the one that doesn't carry the iPhone. The iPhone being so special that even a guy from Afghanistan would know about it.
So apart from the sales argument, Verizon needs the iPhone to stand with AT&T and boost about it. It needs to fill the minds of the common man that the most original touchscreen smartphone is there with them now.
Summary - A substance of pride and glory.
> Verizon does seem to slow down the android ship in the recent months. One big reason points to their very focus shifting to the iPhone. Very similar to the previous point, Verizon sees iPhone as a whole new device as compared to the legacy of android devices it carries at the moment. I believe (as everyone) that they are in the process of distributing their resources, but more than ever this time. Other hints for eg, Verizon carrying the iPad, which is not CDMA capable insists the fact that they(Verizon) are working very closely with Apple.
Summary - Verizon itself hints to more iPhone and Apple in general.
> Apart from the fact that "Verizon doesn't carry the iPhone" which is a rude statement in itself (for Verizon), their sales haven't been up to the mark recently. The growth did stunt down in the very recent quarter, much due to the incoming iPhone 4.
Summary - Verizon does need the iPhone (less doubts
).Apple POV
> There is not a doubt saying that Apple has faced a lot of criticism about not being CDMA equipped and they need to come up with a solution for that.
Summary - Apple doesn't provide complete mobile solutions and hence, they need to cover that as well.
> There is no doubt saying that Android has taken a huge share of iPhone sales in the smartphone market and I believe that google's android is much responsible for the bad name that apple has received in the past 6-12 months. If iPhone had been on Verizon from day one, the situation wouldn't have been the same.
Well, this is the internet and you cant hold people from talking about you and your company but Apple does realize that they'll be able to keep lots in control if they distribute the iPhone on different carriers so that people don't become anti-apple.
Summary - company market value has been seriously effected by android and sub-smartphone systems.
> Again, Android has proved to be a very successful competitor to iOS and the iPhone in general and Apple doesn't see their growth slowing down in the coming weeks/months. Apart from the software development at Apple, it surely needs to focus on Android's strong sales points. Android imo has been a carrier's bitch. I wouldn't say it's a bad idea but it surely is a good idea interms of business and market-share development. As we were nearing the recession in 2009, Google did see the carriers playing a very important role and agreed to cooperate with them in every way possible.
It did prove to be non-beneficiary for the consumers (added costs + bloatware ~ separate blog) for the most part but for Google, it turned out to be a blessing in disguise. But one could easily attribute far ending positive consequences of the same. For eg. huge sales for android would result in a better developer community as well as a better choice for consumers. I do contradict myself but there are +'s and -'s for either practices. Apple must learn, that they need to grow to other carriers to gain market-share and keep their flagship device open to the mass public.
Summary - new sales practices for the iPhone.
- These points don't provide a very different picture but insist on a very unsurprising fact that the iPhone will land on Verizon very soon.
Folks,
One week to go before the Verizon CEO will give his opening keynotes!!! Wow, CEO of Verizon will be giving the keynote for the iPhone 4 instead of CEO of Apple! I will jump at the GOLDEN GATE BRIDGE if there is really a Verizon iPhone 4... if not you guys should continue to dream and drooolllllllllllllllll
HTC and Motorola both have LTE phones ready to be announced at CES
AT&T just announced they're spending $1.93 billion on purchasing frequencies from Qualcomm and upgrading their network. The spectrum AT&T is buying is considered premium spectrum because it is best at penetrating walls and windows.
If Verizon gets the iPhone AT&T is going to see all sorts of improvements in network performance.
If Verizon gets the iPhone AT&T is going to see all sorts of improvements in network performance.
My AT&T contract ended in November and I was in no rush to buy a phone right before christmas.
Reason #1) this gosh darn rumor,
Reason #2) Dual Core Android phones expected in early Q1 2011 as well.
If there's no iphone, no big deal, i'll just buy a new android. If there is an iphone announced, i will get one day one.
I even if these 2 reasons didn't exist, i wouldn't rush to buy one just before christmas i would have waited till January. So the timing just works out.
Reason #1) this gosh darn rumor,
Reason #2) Dual Core Android phones expected in early Q1 2011 as well.
If there's no iphone, no big deal, i'll just buy a new android. If there is an iphone announced, i will get one day one.
I even if these 2 reasons didn't exist, i wouldn't rush to buy one just before christmas i would have waited till January. So the timing just works out.
AT&T bought low 700 Mhz spectrum for LTE rollout. Verizon's LTE is somewhere in the 700's also, I believe. Either way, AT&T's network should improve with the loss of some iPhone customers. However, I think that some of AT&T's existing may fill in the gap right back up just because smartphone sales overall are on the rise.
LOL! Your posts always kill me.
Desperate? I doubt it. The Apple iPhone is the single best selling smart phone on the planet. Yes, there are 20 models of Android phones that combined are beating Apple, but Apple sells iPhones as fast as they can make them. They don't look desperate.
It's natural that they would move to include other carriers in the US. It's time and mid cycle is perfect. Makes great sense. Why come out with a new CMDA based phone at the beginning of the life cycle? Do it Mid-cycle and you can base it on a proven platform with one major change. Plus, as the rumors indicate, it gives them time to ramp up production. It all makes sense and I'm sure we'll see the Verizon iPhone before the end of February. Probably at CES it will be announced and released soon thereafter.
Someone else said it... it's not a Android vs iPhone war anyway... there will always be competition and it's good for all platforms. Still the facts remain, right now, the iPhone is by far in the lead when it comes to a single smart phone and I'm sure there is more to come.
We will know more in two weeks... CES will set the new battle grounds. Tablets are going to be the "big thing" this year.
I'm thinking that the Verizon iPhone will be announced in January, but go on sale in June. Thus keeping in line with their traditional iPhone release cycle. It's hard to imagine Apple having two different release cycles for the same product in a year. That would really make things worse as the earlier release on CDMA would have any new features and the the later release on GSM would have to wait six months for their new features.
Or, Apple could bump up the GSM release to match the new CDMA release and really tick off everyone who just bought an iPhone 4 in the last six months. Although that may not be unheard of. Remember the price drop after the initial release of the iPhone? I heard one or two people that bought one at launch were slightly miffed.
I really disagree... all rumors have pointed to CMDA in Jan/Feb 2011. The iPhone 5 (or whatever) will be June/July, but not the CMDA. This has been too long in the coming and it's not going to tick-off many people. Why do people constantly think the general consumer is going to get "ticked off" every time Apple updates a product? It's natural people and honestly, Verizon is not the holy grail in phone companies either and many customers are happy where they are.
1. just announce it already if true. i'm sick of these rumors.
2. release it in Feb. cause i can't wait till June for a new phone.
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2. release it in Feb. cause i can't wait till June for a new phone.
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Why would I think folks would be ticked off?
1. iPhone 4 CDMA release January
2. iPhone 5 GSM release June with NEW features
3. iPhone 4 CDMA owners have to wait an additional 6 months for their version of the iPhone 5 the following January.
Or flip that around and the iPhone 5 CDMA comes first in January and GSM users have to wait six months for their iPhone 5.
That's the point i am trying make.