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Another topic but to start a business is require OMG money which a lot of time the unemployed do not have.

A lot of businesses cost next to nothing to set up, selling home grown vegetables in the street, setting up a blog and putting loads of affiliate ads on it, knocking on doors offering to wash peoples cars or walk their dogs
 
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True charity would be to match the pay of Foxconn's employees, dollar for dollar, with US, up to $6 an hour. So they can be charitable to themselves and their family. FYI Foxconn's workers are the blood and sweat parts in your Apple.

Foxconn employees should be grateful they have a job at all, if it was not for Foxconn in the absence of alternative employment the Foxconn employeers would be starving in the street with nowhere to live, there is no welfare system out there, Foxconn house them, feed them, give them work
 
This is great :)

Love what happens when Steve steps down....someone with a heart takes over. Nice touch there Tim, nice touch.
 
A lot of businesses cost next to nothing to set up, selling home grown vegetables in the street, setting up a blog and putting loads of affiliate ads on it, knocking on doors offering to wash peoples cars or walk their dogs

and bring in a living wage off any of those in a short amount of time span... Oh wait not happening.

Blog is not going to being in more pennies and chances are not even enough to pay for your internet bill to updated.

They all take time and money. Something those people do not have. but then again it is already pretty clear you measure people by their bank account and failed to understand there are a lot of things out there that people have zero control over.

Do you want to pay my 100 buck a month bill in medication just to keep me from going into a deep depression. Or other things I deal with beyond my control.
 
Jobs has been gone for two weeks and Apple is already starting to lose focus. With the money wasted on this program Apple could be buying a new Siri, Poly9, Intrinsity or maybe even P.A. Semi each year.
 
Jobs has been gone for two weeks and Apple is already starting to lose focus. With the money wasted on this program Apple could be buying a new Siri, Poly9, Intrinsity or maybe even P.A. Semi each year.

I hope that was sarcasm...
 
for apple's bar graph, because I'm sure they are interested in what macrumors nuts ( like me) have to say:

Good Move.

$ can do some good. I'm involved with a 501, and I see it first hand.
 
Tim:hey steve! hey steve!
Steve:Yeah whats the matter?
Tim: I was thinking of launching a charity, is that ok with you?
Steve:Is that it? Come on this couldn't wait til the weekend?
Tim:yeah yeah but but I want to do it like.. right now, it would make me look so awesome!
Steve: Yeah ok whatever, just make sure you keep on eye on the iPhone 5 launch *face palm*
*hangs up*
:rolleyes:
 
Kicking it Old School

That's the Apple I remember. Forget giving their employees iPhones, encourage them to donate.

First Final Cut Studio returns now this, what's next!?
 
Yes, a CEO of the American Red Cross took home $651,957 in salary in 2005, a more recent CEO took home more than $450,000. This is not "profit." It's "salary."

Who are you kidding?

I mistyped... I meant it is false a Not-For-Profit cannot make a profit.
 
Does this include people who donate 10% of their income as a tithing to their church? I suppose it would....

Some Churches are 501c3, others are not. Apple's plan only covers the non-profit (no pun) churches that have organized as 503c3. Some "churches" are in fact a business and Apple's plan would not cover those.
 
This is a very nice incentive from Apple. That said, I'm wondering if they have considered the possibilities for a PR disaster when employees give to the not-so-admirable organisations, and Apple have to do the same. I mean, not everyone fight against hunger, aids and the like. Some are politically controversial, some are crazy while some just promote hate. These can still be non-profit.

Consider these juicy headlines:

"Apple gives aid to group calling for the killing of gays" (Westboro Baptist Church)
"Apple sponsors socialist agenda in the US" (some socialist organisation)
"Apple donates $10.000 to Church of Scientology (or perhaps those are not considered non-profit? they shouldn't be haha)
 
This is a very nice incentive from Apple. That said, I'm wondering if they have considered the possibilities for a PR disaster when employees give to the not-so-admirable organisations, and Apple have to do the same. I mean, not everyone fight against hunger, aids and the like. Some are politically controversial, some are crazy while some just promote hate. These can still be non-profit.

Consider these juicy headlines:

"Apple gives aid to group calling for the killing of gays" (Westboro Baptist Church)
"Apple sponsors socialist agenda in the US" (some socialist organisation)
"Apple donates $10.000 to Church of Scientology (or perhaps those are not considered non-profit? they shouldn't be haha)

I am sure that Apple will have an approved list and it won't be a free for all, any charities involved in hate/bogotry would likely result in the employee getting sacked let along Apple donating
 
Seriously?

Most of the fortune 500 have this. People like to give when they can.

The fact is Apple is matching. Big deal. Costs them nothing. Really. It and the program management costs are tax deductible. To an investor this is goodwill and written off the amount owed to the IRS. In fact, investors like to see goodwill on the balance sheet.

Regardless of why Apple didn't do this in the past, it makes sense to do it now.

Plus, I am sure this is a simple way that does not alter Apple's culture that Tim can craft his own legacy at Apple.

Waste of corporate resources, including valuable time managing the program. Arbitrary and ripe for abuse. Incompatible with Jobs' successful policy of simplifying and focusing on making great products.

Overall a bad sign for the future of the company. Suggests that management feels the need to maintain power by playing a political game, and "being nice" rather than performing well and producing great products.

Another great American company will likely go down the tubes after Jobs is gone. It won't be long before the Chinese own, design and produce everything of importance.

I prefer Steve Jobs's approach, as he expounded on it when he came before the Cupertino local government people when unveiling the "Spaceship One" proposal. I don't remember the exact wording, but it was something like, "I'm a simple guy. The way I see it, we pay the taxes, and you guys [the government] provide the public services." This was in response to someone on the city council suggesting they could "do something for the community" as for example Google providing free Wifi in the town surrounding their headquarters.

Apple pays taxes. So do their employees, who only have jobs and pay taxes because Apple is successful. That's your charity right there. Steve Jobs has provided for far more charity than just about any other CEO in the country over the last decades.

This despite what journalists wanna-be-productive-members-of-society "choose your favorite charity" dilettantes have been writing about Jobs in the last several months. Way to dance on a better man's grave just before he seems likely to pass away.

Oh well, just another lame political game that is little more than a distraction to people doing their jobs and doing them well. Like I said, a bad omen. Either this will be a program with poor oversight that is likely to be abused, or it will be a distraction to management. In any case, it never makes sense to throw money around wantonly when times are good, because chances are, they won't always be so good. You think the folks at Apple would know this more than others. Just follow the rules and pay your taxes. That's all they need to do.

Id' be happy if whoever is responsible for bringing this to fruition at Apple got demoted.
 
A lot of businesses cost next to nothing to set up, selling home grown vegetables in the street, setting up a blog and putting loads of affiliate ads on it, knocking on doors offering to wash peoples cars or walk their dogs

All of those businesses that cost next to nothing to set up pay next to nothing. None of those will pay even minimum wage.

I think begging pays better then any of your suggestions. Just stand on the street and ask people for "spare change". I've literally seen people make $20 an hour as a beggar..
 
Many of the Fortune 500 firms that match do not allow matching to religion, or political charities.

Keep it to social services, education and animals.
There is no controversy proof means to accomplish this, but eliminating religious and political certainly cuts down on BS.

Most people give to their alma mater, local charities that mean something to them i.e. nature, medical like AHA, diabetes, autism, cancer, etc. As for the $10,000 most Americans will never come close to that tithing. But a $100 check to the university will be matched.

Tim:hey steve! hey steve!
Steve:Yeah whats the matter?
Tim: I was thinking of launching a charity, is that ok with you?
Steve:Is that it? Come on this couldn't wait til the weekend?
Tim:yeah yeah but but I want to do it like.. right now, it would make me look so awesome!
Steve: Yeah ok whatever, just make sure you keep on eye on the iPhone 5 launch *face palm*
*hangs up*
:rolleyes:
 
HR Policy

Uh, Tim, Shareholder here. How you doing? Very nice about that giving away money to charity thing. But, in case you didn't know, that is kind of my money. When are going to start giving dividends to your shareholders?

This is really the best point in the thread and something that hasn't been getting enough attention by the media and Wall Street. When is this giant going to start paying out cash it clearly doesn't need?

There are many arguments in the finance/tax world that shareholders (who receive dividends) should be making the donations- not corporations.

I think if Apple were to announce that they were donating 'material' amounts, much more criticism of management would be warranted.

However, this is a very modest HR policy. I don't see this reflecting the 'big picture' management style or it being a waste of shareholder money.
 
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The fact is Apple is matching. Big deal. Costs them nothing. Really. It and the program management costs are tax deductible. To an investor this is goodwill and written off the amount owed to the IRS.

Are this many people unaware what tax deductible means? It doesn't cost Apple nothing. Assuming a 35% tax bracket, a $10,000 donation costs them $6,500.
 
All of those businesses that cost next to nothing to set up pay next to nothing. None of those will pay even minimum wage.

I think begging pays better then any of your suggestions. Just stand on the street and ask people for "spare change". I've literally seen people make $20 an hour as a beggar..

I just believe that welfare benefits hinders rather than helps, people get hooked on welfare and the dependency on it instead of being self reliant and thinking outside the box in terms of how to make money, welfare does more harm than good, people think that welfare state is being caring and helping them but it is doing the opposite, it is in effect condemning them to a lifetime of inactivity and no work ethic, if anything welfare is cruel
 
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