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At least until you understand corporate structure. :rolleyes:

Jobs is the worlds biggest micro manager, do you seriously think he just lets Tim Cook go about doing what he wants ?

Has meat been allowed in the staff canteen yet ? Jobs banned it, if Cook is really stamping his authority on Apple bacon sandwiches would be on sale in the canteen by now

Steve is still in charge
 
So here is my plan.
1. Form a 503 (c) (3) corporation - 500.00 at most
2. Make friends with an Apple employee at my local genius bar
3. Have him donate 10,000 to my non-profit
4. Collect an additional 10,000 from Apple
5. Give him 12,000 back
6. Profit 7,500

7. Receive indictments from the DOJ
8. Get prosecuted and convicted
9. Go to a federal prison
10. Be given an offer you can't refuse - a "date" with the "health inspector"
 
The chairman in the company I work for runs the business from top to bottom, he has a CEO to handle the day to day **** but the chairman has the ultimate say in everything and can fire the CEO in an instant, indeed our last CEO was fired in March by the chairman.

Jobs founded Apple, Apple is his baby, it has been his life for nearly 40 years, the idea that Jobs will sit at home playing Angry Birds HD on his iPad and not take any decisions is beyond ridiculous, I may not know the role of the board but I have read books on Steve Jobs and the Steve I know will only stop working for Apple the day he dies
The Chairman of the board cannot directly fire a CEO.
The ENTIRE board has to vote on it.
The Chairman can initiate the action.
Contracts are involved that can have significant financial impacts when replacing a CEO.
Apple is a publicly traded company... Jobs does not own it anymore.
He has rules to follow as well or he could find himself in the uncomfortable position of having the board vote him out of his position as chairman.
Highly unlikely given his history, but still a possibility.
 
Provided what you say is true, who would replace Cook? I'm sure Steve Jobs knows that whoever it is, won't be as good as Steve Jobs at any rate. Probably not even as good as Cook.

He wouldn't fire Cook I am just pointing out that he could if he wanted to still, Chairman outranks CEO unless the chairman is a figurehead which Steve certainly wouldn't be

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The Chairman of the board cannot directly fire a CEO.
The ENTIRE board has to vote on it.
The Chairman can initiate the action.
Contracts are involved that can have significant financial impacts when replacing a CEO.
Apple is a publicly traded company... Jobs does not own it anymore.
He has rules to follow as well or he could find himself in the uncomfortable position of having the board vote him out of his position as chairman.
Highly unlikely given his history, but still a possibility.

Given Steve is such a micro manager even down to the type of sandwiches that employees are allowed to buy in the canteen I am sure that Tim Cook phoned Steve up and asked him whether this donations thing could be bought in in which Steve presumably said yes and signed it off
 
Stop wasting time matching and work on products. Of course I am sure there are tax breaks related to this.....
 
SJ Is Not A Media Ho

...his "private life" giving has not been publicized like guys like Warren Buffet (who seems to want everyone to know what he is doing).

Regardless, this is good karma for Apple.

There is no higher purpose to being human than giving and service to others.
:)
 
Uh, Tim, Shareholder here. How you doing? Very nice about that giving away money to charity thing. But, in case you didn't know, that is kind of my money. When are going to start giving dividends to your shareholders?

Well, my dear shareholder, this kind of program is good for the reputation of the company and will do more for it than any marketing campaign at the same cost, and it makes employees feel good about the company they are working for, which no money can pay for. If someone gets a $400 pay rise they think they should get more and are not happy, because they think it should be $500, and it costs the company $400. But if they donate $50 to a good cause that they feel needs help, and the company donates another $50 to the same good cause, that makes the employee feel very, very good about the company for a lot less money.

And guess what: Happy employees are much more important for a company than any of its shareholders.
 
I realize that paying taxes doesn't fill your emotional hole, but frankly, who cares?

Taxes pay for schools, welfare, medicaid, medicare and social security for the elderly, fire stations, drug rehabilitation programs, asylum programs, international aid to underdeveloped nations, social security and medicaid for the handicapped, food stamps, the list goes on.

Yes. Steve Jobs pays taxes. The company creates jobs and supports people and their families. These people also pay taxes that go towards the above. Steve Jobs has paid more taxes and therefore provided more charity than any of the whiners posting on the forum. End of story.

I am going to repeat it again because it seems you didn't get it. Paying taxes is a duty. It doesn't make you a better person because you pay taxes. That's the minimum. Apple and SJ are not obligated to give away their money, but they don't do any charity just for doing their work. They get paid to do that.
 
Agree 100%.

Of course, this news doesn't preclude him from doing that sort of thing (or getting someone to do it), but frankly when it comes to getting a retina iPad out there that blows everyone away, consumers don't really give a sweet damn about charitable matching programs. Nice but not necessary. And if it was done in response to perceived pressure from that retarded NYT article and whatever phantom (meaningless) criticism it might have generated, then the end is near for Apple. At least the Apple that brought the brand back to life and turned it into a cultural icon.

The Apple I know doesn't cave. Let's hope they did nothing of the sort this time.

You have no soul.
 
So here is my plan.
1. Form a 503 (c) (3) corporation - 500.00 at most
2. Make friends with an Apple employee at my local genius bar
3. Have him donate 10,000 to my non-profit
4. Collect an additional 10,000 from Apple
5. Give him 12,000 back
6. Profit 7,500
7. Get raped by a big gangster in federal prison.
 
It wouldn't make me feel better about the company if I worked for Apple. It would make me feel like the company was vain and wasting valuable corporate resources in a fashion that was not accountable to its mission. That would make me feel worse about the company, not better.

Well, I work for a company that has a more generous program than what Apple is offering, and it actually makes me feel quite good. And from what my collegues tell me, they are quite happy and proud to work for that kind of company. So I am left wondering whether you are just a sad little man who hates Apple and has to find something bad to say about them, or whether you are a sad little man who hates the world.
 
Well, I work for a company that has a more generous program than what Apple is offering, and it actually makes me feel quite good. And from what my collegues tell me, they are quite happy and proud to work for that kind of company. So I am left wondering whether you are just a sad little man who hates Apple and has to find something bad to say about them, or whether you are a sad little man who hates the world.

I personally hate charity, sure society should help those that can't change their lives like severely physically and mentally handicapped people, they are worthy of help but poor people, alcoholics, unemployed, drug addicts, AIDS victims (bar the ones who got AIDS through blood transfusion) are to me unworthy of any charity, they got themselves into their ****ed up situation through lifestyle choices, not working hard at school, not working hard at work or in many cases not working at all, taking drugs etc, not wearing a condom when doing anal, life's losers, Apple should not give them a cent
 
I personally hate charity, sure society should help those that can't change their lives like severely physically and mentally handicapped people, they are worthy of help but poor people, alcoholics, unemployed, drug addicts, AIDS victims (bar the ones who got AIDS through blood transfusion) are to me unworthy of any charity, they got themselves into their ****ed up situation through lifestyle choices, not working hard at school, not working hard at work or in many cases not working at all, taking drugs etc, not wearing a condom when doing anal, life's losers, Apple should not give them a cent

So you are telling me that all those people who lost their jobs and are unemployeed are there fault. Never mind the fact that the average unemployment is over 6 months and has been for a while (aka long term unemployed). You have shown you true colors.

Real unemployment is at near 17% (U6) and it is all there fault. This depression we are in has hit the college educated group that can not find work.

You are rather heartless and you better hope you never are on the receiving end of needing help.
 
So you are telling me that all those people who lost their jobs and are unemployeed are there fault. Never mind the fact that the average unemployment is over 6 months and has been for a while (aka long term unemployed). You have shown you true colors.

Real unemployment is at near 17% (U6) and it is all there fault. This depression we are in has hit the college educated group that can not find work.

You are rather heartless and you better hope you never are on the receiving end of needing help.

Here in the UK welfare is the big reason why so many people don't have work, it is the problem not the solution, get pregnant while unemployed you will get a free house courtesy of the state and benefits that make work not viable and indeed pay more than low paid work, you get up to £1600 a month in housing benefit too if you are out of work depending where you live, so there is no incentive to work in the UK which is why we have an unemployment crisis, most of the unemployed simply don't want work as they will get very generous welfare for sitting around idle.

Plus there is nothing stopping unemployed people from starting their own businesses, doesn't have to be Microsoft just make some stuff in free time and sell it on eBay or buy bargains at a boot sale and be an eBay trader or take a hosting contract out for $3 a month and set up a blog market it on Twiter and make good money out of affiliates.

I just don't have time for people that sit around feeling sorry for themselves, if the work isn't out there create the work
 
Jobs is the worlds biggest micro manager, do you seriously think he just lets Tim Cook go about doing what he wants ?

Has meat been allowed in the staff canteen yet ? Jobs banned it, if Cook is really stamping his authority on Apple bacon sandwiches would be on sale in the canteen by now

Steve is still in charge

This is the funniest thing I've heard for ages.
You speak as if Steve is some 20 year old full of health and just sitting ah home shouting out orders to make his company is being run the way he wants it.

He's dying with not long left to live (perhaps not even till the end of the year)
I think he's got more to worry about in his personal life than some pathetic rules from the past to do with business.
 
This is the funniest thing I've heard for ages.
You speak as if Steve is some 20 year old full of health and just sitting ah home shouting out orders to make his company is being run the way he wants it.

He's dying with not long left to live (perhaps not even till the end of the year)
I think he's got more to worry about in his personal life than some pathetic rules from the past to do with business.

We don't know he is dying, sure after what he has been through there is a fair possibility that that is the case but none of us are doctors, we only go by pictures we see in the media, there was grotesque pictures of Michael Douglas last year and dare I say it he looked worse than Steve, everyone had written him off and now he is back working

Steve is clearly not very well but if his gaunt look is down to chemo/radiotherapy then he could still fully recover, we don't know

Just wrong to write him off just yet
 
Yeah it's nice and all, but real charity is giving without recognition. Giving a press release about how charitable Apple are doesn't seem generous to me, rather padding Apple's imagine a little bit more. Now if they had done this and we found out only by the charitable organisations themselves it would be a different story. Sounds like a relatively cheap (considering) marketing ploy to get people to feel good about Apple. You can't BUY THIS KIND OF MARKETING... oh wait you can....
 
Here in the UK welfare is the big reason why so many people don't have work, it is the problem not the solution, get pregnant while unemployed you will get a free house courtesy of the state and benefits that make work not viable and indeed pay more than low paid work, you get up to £1600 a month in housing benefit too if you are out of work depending where you live, so there is no incentive to work in the UK which is why we have an unemployment crisis, most of the unemployed simply don't want work as they will get very generous welfare for sitting around idle.

Plus there is nothing stopping unemployed people from starting their own businesses, doesn't have to be Microsoft just make some stuff in free time and sell it on eBay or buy bargains at a boot sale and be an eBay trader or take a hosting contract out for $3 a month and set up a blog market it on Twiter and make good money out of affiliates.

I just don't have time for people that sit around feeling sorry for themselves, if the work isn't out there create the work

Another topic but to start a business is require OMG money which a lot of time the unemployed do not have.
I was lucky I had access to other resources when I was laid off namely my parents which are and have been able to provide me financial support while I go back to school for another degree. My savings has been wiped out by school but they are providing me housing, food and paying for pretty much everything but school.

As for school this year (which is also my last year) is being paid for by charity and the government. Charity funding the scholarships hat pays for around 50% of my school cost and the government paying around 50% in the cost in terms of grants. This on top of the instate tuition cost.

You are telling me that those should not be there. I burnt threw my savings paying for the first part of my 2nd degree and buying supplies for school. Between unemployment and my savings it covered a fair amount of it but still burnt threw all of it paying for school which is not cheap.

God help the people who do not having a savings because unemployment was less than 1/2 of what my salary was and it did not have benefits. Those two things covered me for the short time between losing my job, not being able to find a new job and then moving back home then paying for school.

The 22-24k I had total between unemployment ans savings is now down to around 2k. School eating up well over 1/2 of it.
 
We don't know he is dying, sure after what he has been through there is a fair possibility that that is the case but none of us are doctors, we only go by pictures we see in the media, there was grotesque pictures of Michael Douglas last year and dare I say it he looked worse than Steve, everyone had written him off and now he is back working

Steve is clearly not very well but if his gaunt look is down to chemo/radiotherapy then he could still fully recover, we don't know

Just wrong to write him off just yet

Yes he is.
Think about what you are actually saying.
Of course he's dying, we all are!
 
Well, my dear shareholder, this kind of program is good for the reputation of the company and will do more for it than any marketing campaign at the same cost, and it makes employees feel good about the company they are working for, which no money can pay for. If someone gets a $400 pay rise they think they should get more and are not happy, because they think it should be $500, and it costs the company $400. But if they donate $50 to a good cause that they feel needs help, and the company donates another $50 to the same good cause, that makes the employee feel very, very good about the company for a lot less money.

And guess what: Happy employees are much more important for a company than any of its shareholders.

IMO, don't try to reason with these kinds of people. They seem to only measure people by the size of their bank account.

I personally hate charity, sure society should help those that can't change their lives like severely physically and mentally handicapped people, they are worthy of help but poor people, alcoholics, unemployed, drug addicts, AIDS victims (bar the ones who got AIDS through blood transfusion) are to me unworthy of any charity, they got themselves into their ****ed up situation through lifestyle choices, not working hard at school, not working hard at work or in many cases not working at all, taking drugs etc, not wearing a condom when doing anal, life's losers, Apple should not give them a cent

Honest, innocent question: why are poor people unworthy? I'll admit, some poor people might not put all their effort in, but others can't help it. Are you saying a single mother working mother working 2 or 3 jobs just to put dinner on the table for her 2 kids is unworthy of help while a person who coasts through high school, gets into an Ivy League college because his parents have sway, coasts through that, gets a corner office job right out of college with a 7 figure salary also because of his parents is totally worthy in your eyes?

Also, let's say you were a CEO at a big company and you're make loads of profits. Would you rather put those profits into your pockets, or would you reinvest in your company, give back to shareholders, lower prices, etc.?

I have a friend who put a great way: people should pull themselves up by their bootstraps, but what happens when they don't have bootstraps in the first place?
 
Yes he is.
Think about what you are actually saying.
Of course he's dying, we all are!

See above, would you say from that pic that Michael Douglas was on the brink of death Dr Piggie ?

He was gaunt through chemo, what is to say Steve isn't the same Dr Piggie ?

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IMO, don't try to reason with these kinds of people. They seem to only measure people by the size of their bank account.



Honest, innocent question: why are poor people unworthy? I'll admit, some poor people might not put all their effort in, but others can't help it. Are you saying a single mother working mother working 2 or 3 jobs just to put dinner on the table for her 2 kids is unworthy of help while a person who coasts through high school, gets into an Ivy League college because his parents have sway, coasts through that, gets a corner office job right out of college with a 7 figure salary also because of his parents is totally worthy in your eyes?

Also, let's say you were a CEO at a big company and you're make loads of profits. Would you rather put those profits into your pockets, or would you reinvest in your company, give back to shareholders, lower prices, etc.?

I have a friend who put a great way: people should pull themselves up by their bootstraps, but what happens when they don't have bootstraps in the first place?

I admire people who get off their backsides and make a living for themselves poor or rich.

I go to Bangkok annually to see our Thai distributor and the work ethic out there is beyond admirable, even at 5am-6am people are out on the streets selling home grown vegetables or starting mini barbeques and selling the meat, they also sell things on the street markets and the night markets, they don't sit on their backsides feeling sorry for themselves or running around in gangs, I have nothing but admiration for the thais, the reason the thais work so hard and have such an entrepreneurial spirit is because they don't have a welfare system
 
True charity would be to match the pay of Foxconn's employees, dollar for dollar, with US, up to $6 an hour. So they can be charitable to themselves and their family. FYI Foxconn's workers are the blood and sweat parts in your Apple.
 
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