thatguywill
macrumors regular
Nope, UK can’t side load apps
Apple Intelligence Features Not Coming to European Union at Launch Due to DMA
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Then it's not a system Apple wants to create and it isn't something I want either if I can avoid.
Some of us, want a closed system where there is a somewhat benevolent dictator in control which stops people from doing silly things with their freedom. It's enlightened despotism.
People were saying Apple should exit the EU in protest of the DMA in the other thread. That's basically what Apple's doing here, otherwise there'd be no announcement yet and they'd be working furiously to be compliant come September.
The DMA was finalized in September 2022. Apple will have had two full years to figure out how to comply with the DMA by the time the iPhone 16 launches. While it may be true that they are facing uncertainty, they don't feel any urgency to resolve that uncertainty, because it's good for Apple PR if Apple's headline feature is "withheld" from the EU "because" of the DMA.
Apple can't exit the EU market, but they can make their EU customers feel a little pain and FOMO while pointing fingers at the EU. Warranted or not.
The DMA was finalized in September 2022. Apple will have had two full years to figure out how to comply with the DMA by the time the iPhone 16 launches. While it may be true that they are facing uncertainty, they don't feel any urgency to resolve that uncertainty, because it's good for Apple PR if Apple's headline feature is "withheld" from the EU "because" of the DMA.
Apple can't exit the EU market, but they can make their EU customers feel a little pain and FOMO while pointing fingers at the EU. Warranted or not.
Apple was pressured by Republican members of Congress in a congressional hearing.
I did and here is a direct quote:
"[...]Apple is designated as a gatekeeper pursuant to Article 3 [...] The following core platform services of Apple are an important gateway [...] Apple’s operating system iOS"
In a later decision, EU reversed course and also added iPad OS.
Realityck
macrumors G5
Possibly the EU with its DMA rules doesn't clearly define what is technologically beyond the generalization of some law interpretations. Thats my thought is its hard to explain to some rules committee that this is doable while others things are complicated for a gatekeeper to implement or provide workarounds. Example the end to end encryption from cloud to device, or device to device for AI features. Some gatekeeper proprietary features can't be made open because they think it's better.
Nope
Apple won’t be forced to open up iMessage by EU
The DMA’s interoperability requirement won’t apply.www.theverge.com
Apple has to comply with everything in the DMA which applies to operating systems. So everything in the iOS comes under scrutiny from the DMA.
There are of course certain provisions only for number-independent interpersonal communications services and those Apple doesn't have to apply to iOS.
jasonsmith_88
macrumors regular
Yeah, allowing me to simply install any app I want is SO overreaching. How DARE the EU give me that freedom.
That's because you don't understand closed systems.
Which is bad. I do not want app developers to have much power at all.
Developers should be treated as second class citizens and be considered dangerous and harmful until proven otherwise.
jasonsmith_88
macrumors regular
But it’s totally fine when the red tape is issued by Apple, right? I’ve had to navigate more red tape distributing ONE single app on the app store than the total amount of government red tape I’ve faced since I was born.
Funny how you’re ok with Apple’s red tape, not ok with EU removing that red tape, whilst also complaining about red tape.
And yet, Microsoft Windows is regulated under the DMA.
I would say Windows is even more open than macOS.
Seriously. I had people say it was easier to physically move to switch ISPs than move to Android.
ProbablyDylan
macrumors 68020
You know...developers make or break the platform, right? Windows Phone died because it could not attract developers.
This is like arguing that farmers or construction workers shouldn't have rights.
NT1440
macrumors P6
When it requires a fundamental change to the security paradigm of a platform used by over a billion users…it’s kind of a big deal to do it in a way that still maximizes security….
I saw that you’re a dev in a later post…surely you understand the difference in security posture between the platforms and why one has a reputation for safety right?
Side loading has implications across the board for Apple in terms of customer support training, documentation, engineering approaches going forward, etc. It is a *huge* undertaking.
Integrating better with Windows and Android, doesn't make macOS better for me, since I have no need for such features.
What I need is for macOS to have a bigger market share, so more resources will be put into supporting the platform.
I'm more of a "the ends justify the means" type of person when it comes to the Apple ecosystem.
ProbablyDylan
macrumors 68020
Then you can see how leveling the playing field would force Apple to make the Mac better if they want to continue that business.
Look at the auto industry for an example, how many different companies are vying to make an EV that's meaningfully better than the rest? They use the same roads, park in the same spaces - they're forced to compete on the merit of the product itself.
If we needed farmers and construction workers for a successful iOS plattform and I thought they were horrible, yes I would argue for treating farmers and construction workers as second class citizens.
I'm not arguing for treating developers as slaves. I do want them to voluntarily develop for iOS and I'm willing to pay them. But they should have very little power over Apple and users. And they should have no say in how iOS and the App Store should work.
The main reason Apple can treat them so badly, is because these developers are desperate for money. They keep coming back.
No, because what EU and people like you want, are features which makes macOS and iOS worse.
I want a closed system which is simple and uniform with very little freedom on how you do things.
What the EU and you want is something which is much more similar to Windows and Android.
And yet, none of them has made a decent convertible.
If I owned an EV, I would want every charger to work with my car and not with other cars. I would want every garage to be able to repair my car cheaply, and have no wish for them to support other cars.
I like the way Apple does things, and I very often doesn't like how Apple's main competitors do things. That's why I don't want them to succeed at all and if Apple can hinder them by having a closed system, denying them equal access, I'm going to support that.
I hope you do not believe any of that above! The whole "gatekeeper" concept is just brainwashing made to control and stifle American exceptionalism! In the long run it won't work! History tells us that!
mejsric
macrumors 6502a
blame EU
Haiku_Oezu
macrumors 6502a
Yeah while I appreciate what the EU is trying to do at least on paper whoever is drafting these rules is at best incompetent and at worst ignorant of how technology worksPossibly the EU with its DMA rules doesn't clearly define what is technologically beyond the generalization of some law interpretations. Thats my thought is its hard to explain to some rules committee that this is doable while others things are complicated for a gatekeeper to implement or provide workarounds. Example the end to end encryption from cloud to device, or device to device for AI features. Some gatekeeper proprietary features can't be made open because they think it's better.
Considering they're pushing for messenging apps to break E2E encryption so that governments can snoop into private conversations yeah... bunch of boomers doing boomer things I guess
thejadedmonkey
macrumors G3
Ahh yes, Apple's pettiness at its finest.