It is not Apple's fault, the EU is threatening to fine Apple 10% of its Global Revenue with a 20% fine of Global Revenue for other offenses, as defined by the EU, and that comes with consequences. How is the EU even allowed to fine Apple's Global Revenue if most of that Revenue happens outside the EU? I also have to remind you that Apple is an American company. All regulation does is just stifle innovation and kill companies, regulation does not help Apple's competitors either by just giving them a hand out without having to work for it.
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Apple Intelligence Features Not Coming to European Union at Launch Due to DMA
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It is not Apple's fault, the EU is threatening to fine Apple 10% of its Global Revenue with a 20% fine of Global Revenue for other offenses, as defined by the EU, and that comes with consequences. How is the EU even allowed to fine Apple's Global Revenue if most of that Revenue happens outside the EU? I also have to remind you that Apple is an American company. All regulation does is just stifle innovation and kill companies, regulation does not help Apple's competitors either by just giving them a hand out without having to work for it.
These don't have to be mutually exclusive. Every other big player in tech treats you and your data as the product. Apple doesn't. So they have built a business model on privacy and security.
I buy Apple products in part for this aspect of their business model. They are getting my money and building their business on this. I don't see that as a conflict; that's what business is.
no fines have been issued. just a threat of a possible fine.
In this framework, why would Apple be required to be the conduit to hand over that info free of charge? None of the Apps exist without utilizing the hundreds of thousands of API’s Apple has literally spent (in engineer salaries) billions of dollars developing over nearly 20 years? If you want to hand over data to Spotify, you have every right to do so, but Apple has to be the conduit for that…why exactly?
Whether people acknowledge it or not, the App Store is a *symbiotic* relationship between devs and Apple. Apple has provided the tools, frameworks, *hosting infrastructure* (including payment processing which cannot be understated) that have freed the business management burden for indies and allow them to focus on their actual creative passion of development. I’m not talking about behemoth companies here. Why does that seem to have no value to people?
@Timo_Existencia
I've always been curious -- is your username a name (or something similar) or a saying of some kind?
(Mine, for instance, is just something I like "Turbine Seaplanes")
I've always been curious -- is your username a name (or something similar) or a saying of some kind?
(Mine, for instance, is just something I like "Turbine Seaplanes")
So I guess Apple is just deciding not to compete with google? They are going to let their devices be worse for a market which contains almost 450 million people? Apple is not going to win agains the EU, and the kinds of regulations they are complaining about are becoming standard around the world. At some point they might even make their way to the US.
This doesn't answer the question how can Apple know the "spirit of the law"?
Is there a method someone can follow to make sure that everything one does as a gatekeeper doesn't violate the DMA?
For all of you saying "it's obvious that there's no problem here with the DMA!"
You've made that decision in a split second? It's taken the EU months to determine whether or not Apple is in compliance now with the DMA. If it is as obvious as you all think it is, the EU would have issued fines immediately upon the release of the changes to IOS in the EU.
But it's not clear. You're kidding yourself if you think it is.
You've made that decision in a split second? It's taken the EU months to determine whether or not Apple is in compliance now with the DMA. If it is as obvious as you all think it is, the EU would have issued fines immediately upon the release of the changes to IOS in the EU.
But it's not clear. You're kidding yourself if you think it is.
We have experts on MacRumors saying Apple Intelligence is DMA compliant. So Apple doesn’t need to put their lawyers to work to see if they risk getting fined 10% of their global revenue, because MacRumors already said they won’t.
Apple is clearly doing this out of spite and not because of due diligence.
Probably not, given that the UK has passed the DMCC.
It has value, no disagreement there. But you also acknowledge, that it's a symbiotic relationship. The Apple ecosystem would be nothing without all the app publishers. The DMA tries to even the playing field between Apple (and Googel) and app publishers.
That’s precisely one of the things I don’t agree with, it should be a fine over the revenue made on the EU
It gives it simplicity and real teeth
MegaCorps like Apple just find ways to fudge numbers and shift things around if given the space to do it
I agree with you, and I became more conscious over my privacy because of them. Again, I chose to buy their products. I see the value. But privacy + security and allowing competition are not mutually exclusive…
I simply don't agree that there is some mass uprising of developers against Apple. Apple has been a conduit for revenue for developers unlike any other mobile platform. This idea that "developers" are unhappy with Apple is, I believe, wholly manufactured by a few large corporations, and then parroted by anti-Apple participants on MacRumors. The EU didn't build the platform that is earning money for developers; Apple did. Nothing the EU has ever done has increased payouts to developers.
Or, much more likely, they need to postpone Apple AI much longer for completely other reasons, like not having the models figured out in other languages yet, and just decided to make a big fuss about it. It was already clear form prior communication, that the worldwide rollout would be slow and could possibly take years. Now they can say, it's not us, it's the stupid EU.
The DMA is wide-ranging and applies to the entirety of iOS and iPadOS, the App Store on both plattforms, iMessage and Webkit/Safari across all platforms.
The DMA regulates the following core platform services (independent if whether there is money involved) for designated gatekeepers:
online intermediation services, online search engines, online social networking services, video-sharing platform services, number-independent interpersonal communications services, operating systems, web browsers, virtual assistants, cloud computing services, online advertising services, including any advertising networks, advertising exchanges and any other advertising intermediation service.
Then you're not hanging out where developers voice their opinions. Are all of them unhappy? Certainly not. But it's a significant share.
You claimed that you don't believe developers are unhappy with the App Store. I could ask you for the same.
Right. You've said a significant number of developers are unhappy with Apple. Where did you get the data to support that claim? And what is meant by "significant?"
I think the original intent that got the ball rolling may have been that, but it’s selective enforcement and the arguments made from the politicians wielding it (who clearly don’t understand what they’re trying to describe) have made me think that it’s ineffectual in its stated goals. Good intentions, horribly confusing outcomes given its implementation at this time.
Btw, thank you, unfortunately it has become increasingly difficult to have a spirited but still thought provoking and informative discussion here on MR. You’ve proven that you’re here to engage in discussion instead of the quip engine so much of this site has become.
Before that, you claimed you don't believe developers are unhappy with the App Store?
What makes you say that?