No one, except a dozen people in a forum in a dusty corner of the internet, are going to care about personal AI. We are used to not having a ton of stuff that the phones have in the US. We don't even have proper predictive typing for texting, but something worse than a T9 dictionary from a Nokia.
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Apple Intelligence Features Not Coming to European Union at Launch Due to DMA
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No one, except a dozen people in a forum in a dusty corner of the internet, are going to care about personal AI. We are used to not having a ton of stuff that the phones have in the US. We don't even have proper predictive typing for texting, but something worse than a T9 dictionary from a Nokia.
The point is you're now saying "show me the text!" which is a textualist argument for following the law. But elsewhere, when the point you want to make about Apple not following the law and others asking you to point to that you say "Apple is not following the Spirit of the law" which is independent of what the law actually states.
So you mean there are options? As in, free market?
Strange.
So what you're saying is that you cannot prove that the DMA has anything to do with this. That's because the Digital Markets Act was not written to regulate operating system features - in text or in spirit.
If it was designed to limit what computers could do then I'd probably be on your side of the fence. The fact is that it was designed to address uncompetitive markets, like iOS App distribution. Notice how it doesn't require Siri be replaceable? As nice as that would be.
So, in other words, the DMA means what you or Margrethe Vestager think it means. Meanwhile, everyone else just gets to guess at what it means.
That you don't see the problem with this is telling.
And who is to say what the "spirit of the DMA" is if a third party app asks for the same API access to have the cut-copy-paste feature. Based on my reading Apple has to give it to them!
From Article 6, Section 7 (emphasis mine):
I mean, I'd say even the text of the law is pretty clear there.
I mean, when the fine is up to 10% of your worldwide turnover for each violation, you're not gonna F around and find out.
I imagine a lot of companies will be doing this, and the EU will probably pass a new law and fine them for disabling certain features in the EU. Then I imagine a lot of companies will just stop selling products in the EU.
I get wanting to have some solid consumer protections in place, but all of this crap is always so ambiguous and poorly written by olds that don't understand anything they're making laws about. It seriously holds back innovation when companies aren't allowed to add new features without fear over every little thing.
I imagine a lot of companies will be doing this, and the EU will probably pass a new law and fine them for disabling certain features in the EU. Then I imagine a lot of companies will just stop selling products in the EU.
I get wanting to have some solid consumer protections in place, but all of this crap is always so ambiguous and poorly written by olds that don't understand anything they're making laws about. It seriously holds back innovation when companies aren't allowed to add new features without fear over every little thing.
It is not like Apple doesn't also need regulations to operate, there was a time when phone companies could say which phones you could use on their networks. And I don't mean exclusivity like in the beginning with iPhone but essentially forbidding people which devices they could and couldn't use.
In general, yes, but the combination of an essential all-purpose product like smartphones and the software on it concentrates too much power. It’s virtually impossible for a newcomer to establish a new smartphone platform and ecosystem nowadays, due to the vast scope of included functionality and patents, no matter how many good ideas you have. And third-party app developers are competing against Apple’s first-party apps without being able to offer the system integration Apple can offer for their own apps, even when they have better ideas and are more inventive than Apple is.
This is the reason, by the way, why I don’t develop for iOS. The limitations are much too frustrating, and most of my ideas are not possible to implement due to Apple’s restrictions, but would be possible for Apple to implement on the OS level or in their own apps. How’s that for destroying the incentive to invent new things?
what screen mirroring has to do with DMA?
they really think not bringing features will win them customers over there?
they really think not bringing features will win them customers over there?
Exactly. Now, when Apple is designing new features, their engineers have to sit down in endless meetings with lawyers just to try to guess the ways in which the DMA does or does not apply. And even then, they can only launch a new feature and pray that Margrethe Vestager agrees that it does not violate "the spirit of the law."
That so many on here think these things have no consequence is troubling.
And you think layering on more and more burdensome regulations like the DMA are going to magically make it easier for small companies to navigate these waters?
The IOS App store generates more profit for developers than any other mobile platform.
its not like went with f-around with core technology fee, did they? oh, wait
nobody gonna exit EU, its the 2nd most important market after US, everyone else does not have money for expensive toys.
Now this is enlightening! Thanks for posting. In truth, I'm at work and can't be dedicating time to pour over legalese. Plenty of time to be combative online though.
In that case, now I'm wondering why Siri hasn't been pulled. Maybe people just don't like talking to their phones?
I think it is a shame for consumers when a company like Apple invests billions in creating a specific kind of environment with specific kinds of protections, beloved by millions of consumers, and then it is hacked at by bureaucrats based solely on the basis that Apple is "too big". It is a curious thing that success has a limit in which bureaucrats then need to regulate 'down' in order that competitors can access innovations on that platform: usually other billion-dollar companies.
Having said that, I predicted this was the way it was going because Apple simply did not see where the wind was blowing. By all means have a 'closed' platform, but don't follow that all the way through. Don't act as, dare I say, a gatekeeper across the board. Consider proactively opening up the OS in order to get ahead of competition concerns. Apple buried its head in the sand and is having to deal with inevitable regulation.
Having said that, I predicted this was the way it was going because Apple simply did not see where the wind was blowing. By all means have a 'closed' platform, but don't follow that all the way through. Don't act as, dare I say, a gatekeeper across the board. Consider proactively opening up the OS in order to get ahead of competition concerns. Apple buried its head in the sand and is having to deal with inevitable regulation.
The EU will probably demand that Apple opens up Apple Intelligence to every company in the EU so that they can make their own version of Apple Intelligence without having done any of the work.
No. But it (rightfully) harms them and now they want retaliation.
No problem! Isn't AI banned by most countries in the EU anyway? So that solves Apple's problem! The EU loves to over regulate!
Apple won't of course exit the EU. But it is being forced to "think different" about the EU market, which is considerable but globally shrinking. And it will exercise real caution about which future innovations it wants to put under the purview of the EU Commission. Apple realises it cannot easily remove features from European consumers, but it can choose not to introduce them in the first place.
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More mountains to climb to sell Apple Intelligence besides encryption laws with that involve end to end communication.
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More mountains to climb to sell Apple Intelligence besides encryption laws with that involve end to end communication.
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