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Apple Introduces 24" LED Cinema Display with Built-in iSight
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and WTF is 1024 by 640? Is this for the new 'netbook'/bigger touch device that they'll bring out at MW?
Yeah don't I remember el jobs saying something about the year of HD in all products, about 2/3 years ago?
The first one isn't an Ultrasharp display, it's got a cheap TN panel. The second one is showing at £411.24 including VAT which converts to around $600 without tax.
I seem to recall apple introducing ADC around the same time as the rest of the industry was going DVI, and the ADC connection was a resounding success wasn't it?
VAT stands for Value Added Tax here in the uk it's 17.5% which I have already included in the pricing so that's around $600 Including tax. Edit: didn't ready your reply, my mistake.
And what panel is in this display I'd really like to know?
well the problem isn't using displayport .. it's this ridiculous travesty of constructing a proprietary connector for it again just like they did with mini/micro dvi
apple: take the hint displayport is already small enough ... so is hdmi (and stop being cheap .. hdmi license costs 4 cent per device ... you gotta be kidding me)
I was talking about the new ACD and what panel it has?
I think you have to wait until someone gets their hands on one before we find out. Apple never broadcasts what they are using, so usually one of the tech sites has to strip one down to identify the panel.
Trying to work out panel in new 24" ACD
I've just been looking on TFT Central in the panel database to try and work out possiblities for what's been used in this new display. There's no info on backlighting technology CCFL/LED/OLED. But these are the panels that most closely match the spec on the apple uk site.
(no panel is listed that is 14ms response time, or 330cd/m2)
Apple spec:
Display colours (maximum): 16.7 Million
Viewing angle: 178° horizontal / 178° vertical
Brightness (typical): 330 cd/m2
Contrast ratio (typical): 1000:1
Response time (typical): 14 ms
1.
Manufacturer: AUO
Tech: AMVA
Module no: M240UW01 V2
Resolution: 1920x1200
Response: 10ms
Contrast: 1000 : 1
Brightness: 300
Angles: 178/178
Colours: 16.7m
% NTSC Colour space: 72%
2.
Manufacturer: Samsung
Tech: PVA
Module no: LTM240W1-L04
Resolution: 1920x1200
Response: 12ms G2G
Contrast: 1000 : 1
Brightness: 300
Angles: 178/178
Colours: 16.7m
% NTSC Colour space: No info listed
3.
Manufacturer: Samsung
Tech: S-PVA
Module no: LTM240CS07
Resolution: 1920x1200
Response: 6ms G2G
Contrast: 1000 : 1
Brightness: 300
Angles: 178/178
Colours: 8 bit
% NTSC Colour space: No info listed
Number 2 most closely matches the spec on apple site:
module no: LTM240W1-L04
of course the delay on shipping could be down to using a panel that's not listed on the database here:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/panel_parts.htm
This is the best guess at the moment on the panel being used:
Samsung LTM240W1-L04
PVA and no info on NTSC%
NTSC: Why is this used as a standard for measuring colour gamut, I remember someone joking it stands for Never The Same Colour Twice, isn't Adobe RGB/sRGB a better standard to measure against? Feel free to point out why.
I've just been looking on TFT Central in the panel database to try and work out possiblities for what's been used in this new display. There's no info on backlighting technology CCFL/LED/OLED. But these are the panels that most closely match the spec on the apple uk site.
(no panel is listed that is 14ms response time, or 330cd/m2)
Apple spec:
Display colours (maximum): 16.7 Million
Viewing angle: 178° horizontal / 178° vertical
Brightness (typical): 330 cd/m2
Contrast ratio (typical): 1000:1
Response time (typical): 14 ms
1.
Manufacturer: AUO
Tech: AMVA
Module no: M240UW01 V2
Resolution: 1920x1200
Response: 10ms
Contrast: 1000 : 1
Brightness: 300
Angles: 178/178
Colours: 16.7m
% NTSC Colour space: 72%
2.
Manufacturer: Samsung
Tech: PVA
Module no: LTM240W1-L04
Resolution: 1920x1200
Response: 12ms G2G
Contrast: 1000 : 1
Brightness: 300
Angles: 178/178
Colours: 16.7m
% NTSC Colour space: No info listed
3.
Manufacturer: Samsung
Tech: S-PVA
Module no: LTM240CS07
Resolution: 1920x1200
Response: 6ms G2G
Contrast: 1000 : 1
Brightness: 300
Angles: 178/178
Colours: 8 bit
% NTSC Colour space: No info listed
Number 2 most closely matches the spec on apple site:
module no: LTM240W1-L04
of course the delay on shipping could be down to using a panel that's not listed on the database here:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/panel_parts.htm
This is the best guess at the moment on the panel being used:
Samsung LTM240W1-L04
PVA and no info on NTSC%
NTSC: Why is this used as a standard for measuring colour gamut, I remember someone joking it stands for Never The Same Colour Twice, isn't Adobe RGB/sRGB a better standard to measure against?
Feel free to point out why.
Thanks for posting this.... it saves me the trouble.
The other comment is why people get feed false information about ACDs and then pump other manufacturers lower end products as being this or that. I like the Ultrasharps no problem, but they aren't that much cheaper than the ACDs. In the end, it's about $150 - $200 depending on where you buy and if you really want FW.
problem is we don't know what panel tech is in the ACD at the moment so it could be similar to what's in the cheap (and just as ugly - my opinion) dell or it could be something vastly superior, although the lack of any marketing shpeeeel about colour gamut etc would seem to go against it being a high quality panel.
FYI I'd never buy a dell, it's just a similar and popular product to compare it to.
Mine's an EIZO...
150-200 dollar is pretty significant though when you consider the ultra sharps beat apple in features.
I am now reading this thread on my brand new 23" Cinema Display that I just ordered after the 24" glossys were announced.
I use it togehter with my 17" Macbook Pro and a new bluetooth chiclet keyboard . I don't know if I really do like this keyboard yet. I am about to believe I prefered the old but we will see. Maybe it takes some time to adjust.
Can someone tell me if I can work with a closed lid and how ?
I use it togehter with my 17" Macbook Pro and a new bluetooth chiclet keyboard . I don't know if I really do like this keyboard yet. I am about to believe I prefered the old but we will see. Maybe it takes some time to adjust.
Can someone tell me if I can work with a closed lid and how ?
if your computer is off - connect the macbook pro to the display, hit power and close the lid right away, it should start up using the cinema display,
or if its already switched on - make sure "allow bluetooth devices to wake this computer" is on in system preferences> bluetooth preferences > advanced (you probably wont need that if you have a usb mouse or something plugged in along with your keyboard then close the lid, and after a short time move the mouse around and press a few keys, and the computer should wake up using only the cinema display,
hope that makes sense,
-d
It does, thanks. I was trying one of these monitors today in the Apple Store Birmingham (uk). Though lack of a decent laptop docking/external display option is reason to put me off. Most laptops I've owned/used seem to have a basic understanding that users who use external screens might want to close the laptop and maybe have it stored infront of the monitor and maybe use a proper keyboard/mouse. Though I guess the Apple way is to extend the desktop, so I'm probably the issue - I still think PC in some respects. Anyway....
It's a nice bright clear screen. One issue though - reflections, bad ones too. I know the Apple stores are bright, but really they don't help to sell glossy screens.
Not in color accuracy and longevity. Remember, the ultra sharps have PVA panels compared to the S-IPS. There's just no competition unless you don't care about color consistency.
The only panels that beat ACDs are the H-IPS panels in the higher end monitors at $400-$500 more cost.
$150 - $200 is only significant is you have $500 to spend, in which case the price of the ACD or any other high end monitor would be a non-issue.
True, I am hoping that it is an H-IPS or even S-IPS but my guy says no. I'd buy a Dell any day, especially if I need a monitor for just reading text or playing games.
I would never buy one if I need accuracy/clarity/sharpness/longevity, or suggest that they are better spec'd than any monitor with a better panel.
Text seems fine to me. It's as clear as antialiasing allows it to be. If text is your overriding consideration, you might prefer the higher contrast of a PVA, though. (At work I'm using a Dell 2407WFP and it's great, but I don't look at photos on it.)
I haven't noticed any colour issues.
Bear in mind I've only had the HP for a couple days, and I've never seen OS X antialiasing at work on a *VA display.
ACD's aren't particularly good for colour full stop, they have a 2 star rating at Colour Confidence who tend to be pretty good at advising the best monitor for colour critical work.
http://shop.colourconfidence.com/section.php?xSec=10427
Hi,
I'm asking myself, why are they speaking about this new display as some peripheral devise specifically for a MB(P/A)? 'The LED Cinema Display is the ultimate accessory for the ultimate notebook...' etc. I'm not getting something or is that for real: for books only? No way to connect to a MP?
sash
I'm asking myself, why are they speaking about this new display as some peripheral devise specifically for a MB(P/A)? 'The LED Cinema Display is the ultimate accessory for the ultimate notebook...' etc. I'm not getting something or is that for real: for books only? No way to connect to a MP?
sash