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Apple Introduces 24" LED Cinema Display with Built-in iSight

thedragonden said:
This is a Chicken-Poo port.
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Apple may be taking the DisplayPort signal from the graphics chip, but that is NOT a DisplayPort.
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This is almost as irritating as the MacBook Air Superdrive BS Apple foisted on all of us.

Apple let the wild speculation about super powered USB ports fester until tnkgrl figured out it was Apple using proprietary coding on the IDE to USB bridge.:eek:

I just hope this "Chicken-Poo" port doesn't have Apple's proprietary coding all over it as well!:p
 
BlueScreenX said:
I have no idea who this screen is aimed at......
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My thoughts exactly!
This display seems to be a very pricey accessory for MacBook/Pro owners, who come home and want to make their laptops become an iMac.

This display is certainly not for professionals. Otherwise, Apple would have dropped the old display series and would have never ever gotten rid of the DVI port.
 
^^^ yup, pricey accessory for those who want portability of laptop and then big screen at home like an imac. thaaats about it though
 
cromwell64 said:
Right, so I still don't understand why people are so angry about this display. It is an accessory for people who purchase the new macbooks and want an external monitor, with some extra features built in. It is not a replacement for the entire line of Cinema Displays and it isn't geared toward the "pro" market anyway.
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Like I said, people are worried that the rest of the displays will be updated to match. It's an accessory for the MacBook Pro, which used to be geared toward the Pros.

On a side note, I think Apple should have made the 15" MBP a MB with a bigger screen and firewire port, then updated the 17" with 3 USB, FW 800 & 400, and eSATA (so the MacBook would come in 2 sizes and the Pro would come in just 17). Also if Apple is going to bring back the non-standard display ports they should be including adapters like they used to.
 
Benjamindaines said:
Like I said, people are worried that the rest of the displays will be updated to match. It's an accessory for the MacBook Pro, which used to be geared toward the Pros.

On a side note, I think Apple should have made the 15" MBP a MB with a bigger screen and firewire port, then updated the 17" with 3 USB, FW 800 & 400, and eSATA (so the MacBook would come in 2 sizes and the Pro would come in just 17). Also if Apple is going to bring back the non-standard display ports they should be including adapters like they used to.
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it is an accessory for the entire line of updated macbooks, not just the pro. i also have a hard time seeing how this display is supposed to marketed at the pro segment. i do agree though that they should be including adapters for free since they are using non-standard display ports. i will probably not get one of these since it doesn't seem like it would work very well, or at all, in a dual display setup.

here is my side note. why is it that only photographers or print designers are considered 'pros' on this forum? i use my macbook pro for work and would consider myself a 'pro' user and the glossy/matte beef doesn't bother me that much. i used to think i would never want a glossy display until i started using one. now i'm torn...
 
RRRize said:
Is it me, or was that event plain anticlimactic? :(
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Yea it's just you.

Personally I'd love this monitor, but I'm looking to break away from dual monitor setups. I dual boot a lot an XP does NOT work well with dual monitors. OSX does but I'd rather get 1 large monitor to start with, like a 24" iMac and be done with it.
 
Saladinos said:
Many think the economic downturn hasn't taken effect. Apple have apparently already equalled last years sales, with a quarter to go. Let's see how much their year-on-year growth is before reaching any conclusions. This being the last quarter, I'd expect large growth. Anything less than 12% would mean they failed. This is theirs to lose. It seems a lot, but if you think that any sales they make from now are purely growth figures, it doesn't seem unreasonable.
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Consumer electronics spending.

Looks to me like it's taken effect-- I don't think we're anywhere close to the bottom, but I think my point that Apple having outgrown the "safe bets" at a time when people are being increasingly careful where they spend their money as evidence that they're not complete product design retards is a valid one.

Apple is clearly pleasing the market, but people keep posting here like their anonymous rant in the bowels of a rumor site forum about their pet peeve is going to suddenly make the company sit up and take notice.
 
raggedjimmi said:
Yea it's just you.

Personally I'd love this monitor, but I'm looking to break away from dual monitor setups. I dual boot a lot an XP does NOT work well with dual monitors. OSX does but I'd rather get 1 large monitor to start with, like a 24" iMac and be done with it.
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I agree on all fronts. I'd rather have a 24" iMac (which I can get for another $600) and a MacBook than have a laptop with absolutely NO FW ports to hook large external HDDs to.

I have been an advocate of the dual computer user for a while since it's always been my thing to have a home base that remains secure.

Also, I agree that some apps (media ones anyway) weren't coded perfectly for dual monitors, and OSX handles them well. So having this black bezel monitor as a second monitor for an iMac would be very welcomed.
 
i was waiting for about 1 1/2 years for a new ACD.. Now there is a new ACD.. and its not compatible with "old" macs.. bad joke, isn't it?

just read this:
"Einen Adapter zum Anschluss des neuen Displays an ältere Macs oder aktuelle Macs ohne Mini-DisplayPort wird Apple jedoch nicht anbieten - dies wurde mir eben von Apple Deutschlands PR-Agentur bestätigt."

That means that Apple Germany official said that Apple will not offer an adapter for older macs.. yuk
 
mmm just had another thought perhaps apple will offer a solution for the Mac Pro tower by way of a new graphics card or some other solution using the expansion slots,,,

I can see why people feel bad about this I just bought a 2008 MacBook Pro too this as it has a hint of your recent highly expensive new hardware purchased a few months ago might be on its way out :-(

for those people it's worth thinking that you have a sorted system just as fast in real world terms as the new stuff, and it will last you ages, and if you get a ACD then you will have a superb pro quality display that will work with your system for years to come,{ edit: also that older gear is tried and tested the new stuff might be prone to all kinds of problems and teething troubles}

-d
 
buyusfear said:
Has Anyone ever EVER EVER EVER used a GLASS GLOSSY screen notebook????? Do they exist?

They do as plastic glossy on other PC laptops, and previous macbooks and MBP's, and yes do look bad. Much different, at least with the Imacs, don't know why, it just is.




I'm pretty sure Apple knows what and why they do what they do.

I was sceptical about the 24'' GLASS GLOSSY iMac before I bought it.

I now know I was WRONG Apple was RIGHT.
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You confirmed my suspicions by owning up to actually buying an iMac. iMac translates to Non-Professional for the most part. Sorry.
 
mcgomer said:
It depends on your definition of professional. I code for a living. I dont edit video's, pictures, or any of the things that require accurate color. I dont mix recordings, so I dont care about the accuracy of the speakers, or the audio outs and such. I have no firewire requirements. I dont game.

I care about the guts of the machine, how fast is its cpu, its ability to bootcamp ( I do lots of .net coding, so its ability to boot into windows is huge for me ), the speed of the drives, the ability to easily replace the hard drives, the life of the battery, how much memory it has. I also care about its portability. If it was a higher res display, I would be happier, but I can live with the resolution as is. I like displayport ( dont like the non standard _MINI_ port though ) and will use with on several monitors I already have.

I make money using the machine as a develoment system. Am I a professional in your eyes?

While I am a minority in the vast sea of users of Apple laptops, I feel as if I am a segment of the "pro" market. And yes I have other systems that I use for development too, but this machine addresses my needs while away from my desktops.

I in no way would suggest the tools you should use to do your job, and it sucks if the tools that you need just took a dump on you. I would be livid too.

Just my opinion.
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OK, so you are a professional but if you read my post it said MOST professionals in respect to the monitor situation. I'm not suggesting any tools you should use to do your job. Sounds like you could do your work on a black and white television with rabbit ears if it was able to hook up to a mac. For years, Apple has geared their machines toward Graphic Professionals. Photographers, Designers and Video Professionals. With the introduction of the iPOD and iPhone, a new market of consumers was developed. Ones who don't know the difference between glossy and matte. My point is, previous machines using the PRO slogan were geared towards those Graphic Professional individuals. Now the word PRO is loosely tossed around and still used to market their products. But, these products are not geared to the Graphic Professionals that make up the bulk of their endusers. For the MOST part. Bottom line, they are following their FrootLoop Toucan noses and going with what they think the general public wants. And that's fine. Great in fact. But don't slap PRO on it if that is the case! I guarantee had they actually polled most Graphic Professionals in regards to Glossy vs Matte, Most would have laughed at the notion of Glossy. Or been blinded by the glare the idea posed. Hey, maybe that is what happened?
 
I agree with MrPDaddyHimself it's a bit like if Nikon or Canon stopped making Pro SLRs and just made compact cameras as they probably make more money on compacts,
 
MrPDaddyHimself said:
Yes, now they are. But it wasn't always that way.
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The only time in Apple's history that the bulk of their computers were maybe sold to graphics professionals, which I still doubt, would be when everyone had abandoned them for windows machines and they ended up with nearly zero market share.

Simply because graphics pros tend to use macs, doesn't automatically mean that most macs are or have been sold to graphics pros.

...and back to the point of this thread, this monitor is not targeted at graphics professionals, and it is a nice product even if it is a little pricey.
 
Based on Jobs' remark — "We're going all glass. We won't offer another version" — I conclude that Apple will never sell a 24" monitor that doesn't suck.

I've put my money where my mouth is: I bought an HP LP2475W today.
 
Umbongo said:
While you are certainly correct about Dell, other manufacturers are now picking up the slack on IPS displays.

HP have the LP2475w which uses a 24" H-IPS panel and can be found for under $600.

Hazro have the HZ24Wi which should be comming to the US this quarter and will likely be under $700 (and it has silver aluminium body!).

You can also get the 26" DS-263N from doublesight, which uses an H-IPS panel, for under $800.
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A smart man.

Yes, a pro matte H-IPS cost under $600 these days WITH a 3 year warranty (the HP). Apple charges $99 for applecare for monitors.

The HP with IPS panel (vs PVA or TN with the LED) and wide-gamut (vs only 72% - the old standard on the energy saving white LED backlight - used in notebooks and these new 24" LED monitors) is cheaper and nicer than either - a real pro display.

http://www.provantage.com/hewlett-packard-hp-kd911a8-aba~7CMPK0P6.htm

http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review/2008/review-hp-lp2475w.html

As far as 24" LED. Apple is a month behind. Lenovo announced a month ago and shipped at the beginning of this month to customers.

http://www.lenovo.com/news/us/en/2008/09/thinkvision_monitors.html

http://www.provantage.com/lenovo-4421hb2~7LEN90AA.htm

The Lenovo is a prosumer monitor rather than that consumer monitor with gimmicks like glossy finish. It has important things like matte finish, height adjustment, and many more inputs. Typical Apple MO for the new Cinema Display - zero innovation for suckers with big wallets :D

Some sites say this new cheaper 24" desktop LED panel is PVA and some TN film. Prad is usually correct on such things and display blogs have guessed they are pva:

http://www.prad.de/en/guide/screen4867.html

This is a quote from the display blog about energy saving/notebook white led backlit displays:

"White LEDs are used that is a combination of a blue LED chip with a yellow phosphor coating. There are other variations, but the end result is a color gamut about the same as a typical CCFL backlit LCD of around 40-45% NTSC. There are already advanced CCFL backlit LCDs that reach 72% NTSC on notebook PCs today. Color uniformity will be a big issue for LED backlit LCDs if the sizes become much larger than 12″ or 13″ because the number of LEDs increase quite a bit. The only things that will improve are power consumption, LCD thickness, and durability. On most ultra-portable notebook PCs the use of a LED backlight will improve battery life due to the fact that LEDs consume less power at lower brightness levels."

FYI, High-end LED reference monitors from LaCie and Eizo use RGB LED backlights and exceed Adobe RGB gamut by a higher percentage than CCFL or white LEDs. The consumer laptop/low power backlights use only white LEDs and thus have less coverage of the gamut.

Its the same idea as cheap camcorders with 1 CCD vs. 3.

White LED monitors = cheap consumer cost cutting at least the first generation in notebooks/monitors. The article is a little old white LED in energy saving backlights are usually higher this year, around 72% and desktop white LED can match wide CCFL now.

The HP is the ticket though - H-IPS (102% - LM240WU4), DVI-I (x2), HDMI, DisplayPort, Component, S-Video and Composite Video. 6 port USB hub. Low price with three year warranty included.

The only regard the HP is inferior is CCFL uses more energy and doesn't last as long (around 50-60K hours) but on average people don't keep monitors long enough to hit the end of its life so its a non-issue. Monitors are already bright enough as it is (I don't need my retinas cooked any faster), so its also a moot point about brightness.
 
I'm waiting until MacWorld 2009

I'm waiting until MacWorld 2009 I hope by then Apple will release 30 and 20 inch displays with DVI support with Adaptors they have VGA to DVI, HDMI to DVI so why not DVi to Mini DVi, I love this display, it look better in my opinion and i'm glad that I hold off buying a ACD display, I don't care about the cost I just want it, To me the glossy look amazing besides just doing your basic work on, Movies will look awesome when viewing on this screen I saved $3,000 sense January 2008 towards a 30 inch and I got my fingers crossed if Apple will make adaptors, but if it's not possible using the New LED- Cinema Display on my Mac Pro by January maybe the price will come down a little on the old ACD but like I mention I want the New LED and i'm spending alot of money on this display I would like to to last a bit longer, So until Apple release the rest of the Cinema display line and I guess I will see what happens so until then I will continue using my 17-inch LCD temporary of course.
 
puffnstuff said:
is the new display a modified version of this? If so I wish they went with the original it seems cooler.
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Cool but as most things on this site are, very impractical. I remember when that topic was new and hot and many of us spent/wasted HOURS trying to inform people that the concept is nice, but very very impractical.

So, no, I doubt it was derived from that. I doubt Ives and Jobs even wasted their time considering it.

dbruce said:
mmm just had another thought perhaps apple will offer a solution for the Mac Pro tower by way of a new graphics card or some other solution using the expansion slots...
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I hope Apple just makes a consumer side with the current ACD, and a Pro side with H-IPS panels and multiple inputs (DVI, mini display port, VGA, HDMI), NO iSight, NO speakers and FW hub in the back.

The monitor is uber consumer, so Apple can't possible expect people to purchase this thing for use with a Mac Pro.

Otherwise, the only place Pros have left for good panels/monitors will be Nec, EIZO, and high end Dells and HPs.
 
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