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Big wrist have nothing to do with obese I have big wrist and my link bracelet barely fits it's super tight but am not obese such thing as muscle but you probably don't know anything about that as you probably don't have any..
Yes. You are right. I don't have any muscles. I am the guy you saw on Ripley's Believe It or Not as "The Unique Muscleless Man". I am breathing through a respirator and I have an artificial heart. I am typing through the power of thought. I had my muscles removed voluntarily, so now I am entitled to free stuff to accomodate my special physique.

Just confirms my old theory again that with a larger amount of muscles, other parts of the body receive less oxygen.
 
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I wouldn't be so smug about Americans and obesity, the problem is a lot closer to home than you think.

Agree 100%... people in Europe and Asia always point fingers at America. The reason the country as a whole is so obese is because we've had 5 decades of having fast food and starbucks and anything we want to eat on every corner, where Europe and Emerging Markets in Asia haven't. Now all the fast food chains are installing stores on every corner in Europe and Asia just like in America, and while it might not happen as quickly, the trends are generally showing increased obesity in these regions as well.
 
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Still don't see the relevance. Preferred it when you just told us random stories from your life.

As you were. :)
Still? Sr. we are talking about watches, I do not know what is distracting you. :rolleyes:
 

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Oh, because the product is a flop and Apple keeps investing on it,...I very sure it is Apple's biggest failure worst to the disaster that was replacing Final Cut Pro for Final Cut X.
The product has been out for 4 months. And Apple "keeps investing in it"? You make it sound like it's been out for years and Apple has been throwing all their billions into it. Exactly what investments is Apple still making in it (outside of the initial investment to create and sell it)? Extra links? They already have this link band. All they're doing is offering a little kit with more links. Hardly more of an investment. What else? A new band in a new color? Again, they already had those. What else? Software upgrade?

I really don't see how your dire story is comparable. But here's a comparison that does match yours. Steve Jobs came out with the Macintosh computer. He thought it was EXCELLENT! and said as much everywhere and to everyone. It certainly made a splash, but you know what? In sales, it was not so good. Here's a quote: "Apple sold 70,000 Macintosh computers by April. But by the end of the year, it was selling only 10,000 a month. By January 1985, with the company discontinuing the Lisa, Apple was plunged into a crisis."

Yep. It was...a flop! And Steve lost his job, and Steve tried again. He came out with the Next. He said it EXCELLENT! He said that to everyone. And it was...a flop! Steve went back to Apple, but by now Apple was in the same shape as that company you worked for. About to go under and vanish from the face of the Earth. Every project manager was predicting it. Apple would be extinct by the turn of the century. And then Steve came out with the iPod....

My point is, FIRST, most companies have to invest in new products and try them out in order to stay alive. And sometimes those new products will flop. But that's business. Second, Apple hasn't put all their eggs in one basket (all their billions in the watch)...so why the dire prediction? That story CEO's ending up homeless (do you really think Tim Cook is gong to lose his job over this)? FINALLY, I don't think any owner of an Apple Watch will tell you it's going to be a huge success on the order of an iPhone. I don't think Apple is saying that either. But the watch doesn't have to be that kind success. All it has to do is pay for itself so it can settle into it's niche. Kinda like the iPod mini. It's one more device that certain people will want over another. As some want iPad over MacBooks, or extra-large iPhones over the regular size.

I think the watch will be fine and remain in Apple's line up, even if it doesn't make the millions that the iPhone does. If that happens, then I, for one, will count it a success. For now, I consider it a success simply because it's an EXCELLENT product.
 
Apple is acting as if everything is going wonderfully.
And your name is "ProjectManager 101"? Serously? Isnt it business "101" that a company should not be negative about a product to the public? I mean, do you really expect Apple to say, "We know the watch has only been on sale for four months, but it's a flop. Sorry stockholders..." :rolleyes: You put in doubt your assertion that you're good at your job. IF you were a project manager at Apple, then maybe Tim would be saying to you, 'Thanks for your input. You're right about the watch. We'd better keep investments to a minimum. Maybe just some new bands..."

But (newsflash!) you're a customer, and a company isn't going to admit any negativity to you. And if you were a project nanager for Apple, you would probably have signed a non-disclosure agreement and NOT be able to say here what you really think of the watch. YOU would have to act as if everything was going wonderful. Right?

So. Why are you upset that Apple is saying everything is wonderful? You should know they'd be saying that to the public (you included) no matter what.
 
And your name is "ProjectManager 101"? Serously? Isnt it business "101" that a company should not be negative about a product to the public? I mean, do you really expect Apple to say, "We know the watch has only been on sale for four months, but it's a flop. Sorry stockholders..." :rolleyes: You put in doubt your assertion that you're good at your job. IF you were a project manager at Apple, then maybe Tim would be saying to you, 'Thanks for your input. You're right about the watch. We'd better keep investments to a minimum. Maybe just some new bands..."

But (newsflash!) you're a customer, and a company isn't going to admit any negativity to you. And if you were a project nanager for Apple, you would probably have signed a non-disclosure agreement and NOT be able to say here what you really think of the watch. YOU would have to act as if everything was going wonderful. Right?

So. Why are you upset that Apple is saying everything is wonderful? You should know they'd be saying that to the public (you included) no matter what.
i think it's laughable with all these flop comments..we don't even know it is selling and a true factor will be during the hoilday season.

I will be buying the 6 plus S and will be getting the apple watch as I want to have those quick glance notifications on the go and love the way it looks and with a big phone I feel I need a watch to go with it. It will cost alot like alot of people if people are happy with it why do sales matter?

S6 edge is a great phone even though sales weren't amazing..doesn't mean it isn't a top product. Different people have different needs
 
i think it's laughable with all these flop comments..we don't even know it is selling and a true factor will be during the hoilday season.

I will be buying the 6 plus S and will be getting the apple watch as I want to have those quick glance notifications on the go and love the way it looks and with a big phone I feel I need a watch to go with it. It will cost alot like alot of people if people are happy with it why do sales matter?

S6 edge is a great phone even though sales weren't amazing..doesn't mean it isn't a top product. Different people have different needs
Is not selling.... Again: I live in Miami and I haven't seen the first one. Then, Apple wiped out every single advertising campaign about the watch, that means they are not going to waste money in something people are not buying. Compare that to the iPod, iPhone, iPad era. Apple came out with thus huge "music" campaign instead, it is an smoke bomb, that is just plain advertising, even politicians do it when things are going wrong. You will see the numbers of apple watch sold vs the cost of the campaign. Oh... and they are ready to sell them at Best Buy already. I mean, if you are selling something like "hot cakes" why are you going to give away commission already to others retailers? I am telling you facts. You may be able to but the watch and the new iphone but the general public can afford just one thing. I would rather have a 4K Apple TV instead.
 
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Is not selling.... Again: I live in Miami and I haven't seen the first one. Then, Apple wiped out every single advertising campaign about the watch, that means they are not going to waste money in something people are not buying. Compare that to the iPod, iPhone, iPad era. Apple came out with thus huge "music" campaign instead, it is an smoke bomb, that is just plain advertising, even politicians do it when things are going wrong. You will see the numbers of apple watch sold vs the cost of the campaign. Oh... and they are ready to sell them at Best Buy already. I mean, if you are selling something like "hot cakes" why are you going to give away commission already to others retailers? I am telling you facts. You may be able to but the watch and the new iphone but the general public can afford just one thing. I would rather have a 4K Apple TV instead.
That's the beauty of choice

Different people have different needs and different funds. Some don't see the need for one but others do and it makes their life better. That's what some have said from a fitness standpoint
 



Apple today introduced a new Link Bracelet Kit, which is equipped with six additional stainless steel links to make the 42mm Link Bracelet able to fit wrists that exceed 205mm. The six links expand the band by up to 40mm, for a maximum size of 245mm.

The Link Bracelet is Apple's only modular band, with size that can be adjusted by adding or removing links. That makes it the only band that can be expanded in this way, and with six additional links, it'll be the band best suited for wrists larger than 215mm, which is where the Classic Buckle maxes out.

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Apple has also introduced new sizing options for the Apple Watch Sport Band, introducing an L/XL sizing option for 42mm Apple Watches. Apple Watch Sport Bands are now sold in two configurations: S/M & M/L, and M/L & L/XL. The new L/XL size option is available in black or white and expands the size range of the Sport Band to 245mm.

apple_watch_band_lxl.jpg

While Apple Watch bands were initially designed to fit a range of wrist sizes from 135mm to 215mm, there have been complaints that the Apple Watch bands are not large enough for bigger wrists. Quite a few people on Apple's support forums have requested XL-sized bands, and Apple's effort to introduce a kit for the Link Bracelet and new sizing options for the Sport Band is its first move towards offering an wider range of sizes.

Apple's Link Bracelet Kit is priced at $49 and available for purchase immediately through the company's online site. It ships out in 5 to 7 business days

Article Link: Apple Introduces New Apple Watch Link Bracelet Kit, L/XL Sport Bands to Fit Larger Wrists
 
THANK YOU APPLE! I'm so grateful for the larger band option just with the Black came with a Black Pin and not stainless maybe more color options








Apple today introduced a new Link Bracelet Kit, which is equipped with six additional stainless steel links to make the 42mm Link Bracelet able to fit wrists that exceed 205mm. The six links expand the band by up to 40mm, for a maximum size of 245mm.

The Link Bracelet is Apple's only modular band, with size that can be adjusted by adding or removing links. That makes it the only band that can be expanded in this way, and with six additional links, it'll be the band best suited for wrists larger than 215mm, which is where the Classic Buckle maxes out.

linkbraceletkit.jpg

Apple has also introduced new sizing options for the Apple Watch Sport Band, introducing an L/XL sizing option for 42mm Apple Watches. Apple Watch Sport Bands are now sold in two configurations: S/M & M/L, and M/L & L/XL. The new L/XL size option is available in black or white and expands the size range of the Sport Band to 245mm.

apple_watch_band_lxl.jpg

While Apple Watch bands were initially designed to fit a range of wrist sizes from 135mm to 215mm, there have been complaints that the Apple Watch bands are not large enough for bigger wrists. Quite a few people on Apple's support forums have requested XL-sized bands, and Apple's effort to introduce a kit for the Link Bracelet and new sizing options for the Sport Band is its first move towards offering an wider range of sizes.

Apple's Link Bracelet Kit is priced at $49 and available for purchase immediately through the company's online site. It ships out in 5 to 7 business days

Article Link: Apple Introduces New Apple Watch Link Bracelet Kit, L/XL Sport Bands to Fit Larger Wrists
 
The difference is that I AM a project manager, I studied that, not to mention I am really good at telling people.

I've been a professional project manager for 15 years, with multiple degrees and certifications in the subject, and have even taught classes on the subject at the graduate level. That's how I know that you're full of it. You are no more qualified to make grandiose statements than anyone else on this forum, and every time you do, you look more and more ridiculous. You might as well have said "I'm a sanitation engineer, which is how I know..."
 
I've been a professional project manager for 15 years, with multiple degrees and certifications in the subject, and have even taught classes on the subject at the graduate level. That's how I know that you're full of it. You are no more qualified to make grandiose statements than anyone else on this forum, and every time you do, you look more and more ridiculous. You might as well have said "I'm a sanitation engineer, which is how I know..."

I'm a space cadet. I can prove it! ;-).
 
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If you click on his username there's an "ignore" link. Really useful imho, esp. for trolls.

If you think about it, it's kind of sad. People bashing do that for some reason: maybe to justify their purchase, or lack of purchase.. or just to feel better, or hide some pain.

Yes, you are absolutely correct. Constructive criticism is one thing, but indiscriminate bashing and hatred is another. Totally pointless. And at this time, I can predict the responses from the same 10 or so people. I would love to participate in a forum where actual information and constructive criticism was the rule. But I think the anonymity of the Internet has made that more or less impossible without really strong moderator control.
 
And your name is "ProjectManager 101"? Serously? Isnt it business "101" that a company should not be negative about a product to the public? I mean, do you really expect Apple to say, "We know the watch has only been on sale for four months, but it's a flop. Sorry stockholders..." :rolleyes: You put in doubt your assertion that you're good at your job. IF you were a project manager at Apple, then maybe Tim would be saying to you, 'Thanks for your input. You're right about the watch. We'd better keep investments to a minimum. Maybe just some new bands..."

But (newsflash!) you're a customer, and a company isn't going to admit any negativity to you. And if you were a project nanager for Apple, you would probably have signed a non-disclosure agreement and NOT be able to say here what you really think of the watch. YOU would have to act as if everything was going wonderful. Right?

So. Why are you upset that Apple is saying everything is wonderful? You should know they'd be saying that to the public (you included) no matter what.

I think you need a Biz 101 refresher yourself. When the CEO and CFO talks to analysts during earning calls, they're liable for everything they say. They said it sold more than the Ipad in the first 9 weeks, they said June sales were higher than previous months. We know how much the Others section of the financial report went up, which included sales of many products that would otherwise mostly flat YOY (or falling significantly in the case of the previous generation Ipod on its last leg before the new one came out).

They didn't give us everything, but they gave us enough to know sales are pretty good for a brand new product. Better than the competition by far. For now, that's all we got.

Cook often says sales of the watches met expectations and they've happy with the numbers, and there we can speculate if they're truly happy with the numbers or they expected more. Such bland vague declarations have no impact on stocks and that's why they're repeated often instead of give price information, which would be more telling.

Seeing how slow the world wide rollout has been, it seems that they're supply constrained in some way or selling a crapload or watches and exceeding supply. There were rumors that of manufacturing issues, so the first option is possible; ensuring supply is high enough before expanding is a distinct possibility.
 
I know you're joking and I totally agree that watch bands cost more than they should. That said, IF the watch really was able to slim a 500 pound person down to 300, then it'd be saving them a LOT of money. They could buy extra links instead of "get slim fast" supplements; and they'd be saved the money they were spending on medical bills (a lot of heath problems if one is that overweight); they wouldn't have to buy a "breather" device to make sure they don't choke/suffocate in their sleep, or a mobility scooter; and they'd never again have to buy a second seat on a airplane. In short, if an AW can actually help someone slim down like that, then it's worth every penny, extra links included. And this person would end up with more than enough money for groceries left over.
This is a very well organized and described analysis of the relationship between obesity and the watch. What level of education is required to achieve such an insightful analysis? Thanks so much.
 
I've been a professional project manager for 15 years, with multiple degrees and certifications in the subject, and have even taught classes on the subject at the graduate level. That's how I know that you're full of it. You are no more qualified to make grandiose statements than anyone else on this forum, and every time you do, you look more and more ridiculous. You might as well have said "I'm a sanitation engineer, which is how I know..."

Blah, blah, blah.... yes, so you "super expert", what can you say about the Apple Watch then? otherwise the one full of it is you.
 
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Agree 100%... people in Europe and Asia always point fingers at America. The reason the country as a whole is so obese is because we've had 5 decades of having fast food and starbucks and anything we want to eat on every corner, where Europe and Emerging Markets in Asia haven't. Now all the fast food chains are installing stores on every corner in Europe and Asia just like in America, and while it might not happen as quickly, the trends are generally showing increased obesity in these regions as well.
So, do you think the US will always manage to stay ahead or will obesity rates level off at some point?
 
So, do you think the US will always manage to stay ahead or will obesity rates level off at some point?

It's possibly an area Americans will maintain dominance in, but who knows, haha. The reason other regions haven't had the issue is because until the past 10-20 years, fast food chains haven't been rampant on every corner like they seem to be becoming.
 
I think you need a Biz 101 refresher yourself. When the CEO and CFO talks to analysts during earning calls, they're liable for everything they say. They said it sold more than the Ipad in the first 9 weeks, they said June sales were higher than previous months. We know how much the Others section of the financial report went up, which included sales of many products that would otherwise mostly flat YOY (or falling significantly in the case of the previous generation Ipod on its last leg before the new one came out).

They didn't give us everything, but they gave us enough to know sales are pretty good for a brand new product. Better than the competition by far. For now, that's all we got.

Cook often says sales of the watches met expectations and they've happy with the numbers, and there we can speculate if they're truly happy with the numbers or they expected more. Such bland vague declarations have no impact on stocks and that's why they're repeated often instead of give price information, which would be more telling.

Seeing how slow the world wide rollout has been, it seems that they're supply constrained in some way or selling a crapload or watches and exceeding supply. There were rumors that of manufacturing issues, so the first option is possible; ensuring supply is high enough before expanding is a distinct possibility.
What we don't know is whether growth is happening in all countries it is on sale or whether adding new countries is overcompensating a slowdown in sales in the initial launch countries.
 
What we don't know is whether growth is happening in all countries it is on sale or whether adding new countries is overcompensating a slowdown in sales in the initial launch countries.

I don't think there's a supply issue. Keep in Mind, Apple Watch is comprised of dozens different SKUs just for the watch... that's impressive if they can maintain any sort of inventory level in most stores.
 
I think you need a Biz 101 refresher yourself. When the CEO and CFO talks to analysts during earning calls, they're liable for everything they say.
Yes, I know. I was being factious. But my point remains the same. A company is not going to go around with sad faces moaning to the public "It's a flop!" rather than "we're happy with the numbers." A CEO may, however, be a little more candid on the sly with an analyst, for example saying, "Thank you for those facts; we'll take your advice on how much we should now continue to invest in this product..."

Just because Apple is presenting a positive face to the public doesn't mean that they're ignoring the facts or what their project managers are advising (as was the case in that silly story). I mean, of course they're going to say "we're happy with the numbers" publicly rather than "we're miserable and pulling the plug on this thing"...duh! Especially when the watch has only been on the market for 4 months, when the company itself its doing well, and there is no chance of the company crashing and burning if this one product doesn't meet extravagant expectations.

I'm sorry if the way I presented this point made you think I didn't understand Biz 101. I hope this elaboration clarified things.
 
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Yes, you are absolutely correct. Constructive criticism is one thing, but indiscriminate bashing and hatred is another. Totally pointless. And at this time, I can predict the responses from the same 10 or so people. I would love to participate in a forum where actual information and constructive criticism was the rule. But I think the anonymity of the Internet has made that more or less impossible without really strong moderator control.
Reddit.com comes close (imo), but Human Nature will show everywhere.
 
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