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Apple Introduces New Mac Pro with Nehalem Xeon Processors
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I was going by this post:
But perhaps if they are using a custom board then what he has seen in use isn't applicable.
On the contrary, it is Job's aversion to Blu-ray (a format not easily pirated nor downloaded) that wrote the epitaph of Apple.
A lot of people are afraid of drastic price hikes
But joking aside, I've got a chunk of money set aside for what was going to be a new 8 core mac pro in April, now for about £200 more I can get a quad core at a lower clock speed with less space for memory, or for about £800 more get a lower clocked 8 core, or for £1800 more (twice the price) I get a similar clocked 8 core. So I'm eagerly awaiting some real world benchmarks with the apps I use, because I always take Apples marketing spiel with a pinch of salt.
On the bright side, even if I am forced to go refurb or second hand, the machine I get will knock the socks off of my dual 2.0 G5.
On the contrary, it is Job's aversion to Blu-ray (a format not easily pirated nor downloaded) that wrote the epitaph of Apple.
Funny post! You are kidding, right?
So I guess now that the new desktops are all out now, and everyone's disappointed, we can just rename this place windowsrumors.com, and get on with our lives, right?
Boy am I glad I got my 8-core 2.8ghz for $2200 off eBay in September. I'm sure these new 8-core Mac Pros are better/faster, but for that premium? Sheesh.
What the hell? What is with the entry level price point??
From what I understand:
$150 graphics card
$100 SuperDrive
$200 HDD
$373 processor
$150 memory??
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$973
So the logic board (again without wireless) and the case costs OVER $1500? I'm sorry, but Apple's ENTRY LEVEL PowerMacs used to be $1500, TOTAL. What ever happened to that? I know asking $1499 for the entry level is stretching it, especially in these economic times, but even $1999 would have been better then what they're asking for now.
I mean, really... people complain about the iMac prices, but this is just pathetic... I almost hope the iPhone starts getting smacked around, so Apple realizes it has to give a ***** about it's desktop market again.
It doesn't exactly work like that. The parts in the Mac Pro aren't exactly "Standard" that you can just walk into any computer shop and buy.
The processor doesn't cost $373 its a Xeon they always cost more. The Processor is probably more like $500. Since its a dual processor motherboard, even on the $2499 one, you will pay a lot more for it. A good dual processor motherboard goes for about $500 - $600+ and thats not for a Core i7 Xeon Motherboard.
Apples motherboard is also not like any you will be able to buy because of the way they CPU/memory is connected for better cooling, so it can be kept quite.
$500 CPU
$600 Motherboard
$100 SuperDrive
$150 Ram
$150 Hard Drive
$150 Graphics Card
$100 Power Supply
$200 Case
$100 Assembly/Keyboard/Mouse/Software/Shipping
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$2050
SATA or PATA???
Does anyone know yet if the SuperDrives are PATA or SATA?
I haven't found anything regarding it, the new developer note is not up yet.
Does anyone know yet if the SuperDrives are PATA or SATA?
I haven't found anything regarding it, the new developer note is not up yet.
Hi Prices & LackLuster Configs!
This is the setup for the return of Steve Jobs in June/July! I can almost taste it.
Severe drop in sales for this quarter and half of next. Jobs returns with present company still intact. He muscles a severe important meeting - stock split occurs in the interim - and BANG impressive updates like ...
MacMini $100US price drop on the top or $150 incl iTunes Store gift of $50.
iMac entry 24" gets shunned completely! 512MB GT 120 goes mid or high with BTO on low 20".
MacPro gets 2nd QuadCore on the low end, Bump HDD, cpu speed on high end with more BTO options.
all equaling better $$ purchase value to customers. "They have spoken"
All the while MB & MBP sales steady or increase.
This is the setup for the return of Steve Jobs in June/July! I can almost taste it.
Severe drop in sales for this quarter and half of next. Jobs returns with present company still intact. He muscles a severe important meeting - stock split occurs in the interim - and BANG impressive updates like ...
MacMini $100US price drop on the top or $150 incl iTunes Store gift of $50.
iMac entry 24" gets shunned completely! 512MB GT 120 goes mid or high with BTO on low 20".
MacPro gets 2nd QuadCore on the low end, Bump HDD, cpu speed on high end with more BTO options.
all equaling better $$ purchase value to customers. "They have spoken"
All the while MB & MBP sales steady or increase.
Go Refurb 2.8ghz 8 Core
Why not go to mac mall and get their open box 2.8 with 8 cores for $2250? It's a few hundred less than the entry 4 core of the new releases and I am hard press to believe the new 4 core would beat it, especially real world. There are still alot of clock speed dependent apps out there, I think its about a wash but you get the old one for a few hundred less plus more expandability.
Any comments on this reasoning?
Why not go to mac mall and get their open box 2.8 with 8 cores for $2250? It's a few hundred less than the entry 4 core of the new releases and I am hard press to believe the new 4 core would beat it, especially real world. There are still alot of clock speed dependent apps out there, I think its about a wash but you get the old one for a few hundred less plus more expandability.
Any comments on this reasoning?
This has Steve Jobs all over it. Or haven't you noticed prices go up ever since he came back?
Massive fail. And I'm not alone in that assessment.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/160608/mac_fans_fume_about_updated_desktops.html
Apple... meet Amigaworld. It's a very pathetic place.
Very sad and pathetic indeed. What's worst is that few Mac sites/pulications will even mention how most of us feel about the new hardware, leaving the fanboys to be...well...fanboys.
In other words, they have a virtual monopoly on OS X hardware. Whether or not it's "legal" has yet to be determined. Psystar's court case is in November, I think. I hope they win. It will force Apple to compete. Capitalism is all about fair and open competition. Apple is neither. I like their OS. I don't like their hardware. I will buy a Hackintosh the next time around. Screw Apple's prices. They deserve to go out of business with those prices. But then this is the same company that thinks they deserve 30% of EVERYONE's profits for the iPhone app store. That's a LOT to just host an app at a store. But that's Apple for you. They are greed personified. I used to think Bill Gates and Microsoft was greed personified, but I do believe Apple and Jobs has them beat...by a large margin. Microsoft achieved it by worldwide market share. Apple achieves their profits by milking the heck out of a MUCH smaller market.
Completely difference architectures and sockets. They're Intel and x86/64 but alien to each other nonetheless.
This is the setup for the return of Steve Jobs in June/July! I can almost taste it.
Severe drop in sales for this quarter and half of next. Jobs returns with present company still intact. He muscles a severe important meeting - stock split occurs in the interim - and BANG impressive updates like ...
MacMini $100US price drop on the top or $150 incl iTunes Store gift of $50.
iMac entry 24" gets shunned completely! 512MB GT 120 goes mid or high with BTO on low 20".
MacPro gets 2nd QuadCore on the low end, Bump HDD, cpu speed on high end with more BTO options.
all equaling better $$ purchase value to customers. "They have spoken"
All the while MB & MBP sales steady or increase.
Steve won't be alive by July and if Apple keeps up foisting this dated way overpriced garbage on people, neither will Apple.
Since we don't have any official benchmarks out yet on the Nehalem 2.26's - the only thing even NEAR what I could afford (but not really afford) I want to check my following logic.
2 weeks ago (to the day) I purchased the previous version of the MP with 2x2.8 processors on a student discount. After adding extra ramjet memory to get it up to 6 gb and going back to apple today to get the end of life rebate which was $300 back since the price dropped within the 2 weeks since I bought the machine I ended up with the following:
2x2.8 processors on previous version
6 Gb memory
256 video card (the only other difference I see from the base 2.26 nehalem model now which is at 512)
Total cost of my 2 week old previous model = $2655
So all that to say here is my question:
If I were to return this machine to apple and get the new 2x2.26 GHz machine it looks like it would cost $3611.58 to get the new model and pay the $250 restocking fee.
It seems to me that I should be happy as hell that I got my Mac Pro for $2655 (with airport and 6 Gb ram) 2 weeks ago when then performance difference between the new 2x2.26 Ghz nehalem and the 2x2.8 Ghz Harpertown I have will definitely not outweigh that $1000 difference I'd have to eat.
Just looking for confirmation on this - the new pricing seems ridiculous and I'd be much better off putting that extra $1000 I saved into getting more memory for my harpertown version or finally getting that coveted CalDigit Raid Card (http://www.CalDigit.com/RAIDCard/)
Thoughts?
2 weeks ago (to the day) I purchased the previous version of the MP with 2x2.8 processors on a student discount. After adding extra ramjet memory to get it up to 6 gb and going back to apple today to get the end of life rebate which was $300 back since the price dropped within the 2 weeks since I bought the machine I ended up with the following:
2x2.8 processors on previous version
6 Gb memory
256 video card (the only other difference I see from the base 2.26 nehalem model now which is at 512)
Total cost of my 2 week old previous model = $2655
So all that to say here is my question:
If I were to return this machine to apple and get the new 2x2.26 GHz machine it looks like it would cost $3611.58 to get the new model and pay the $250 restocking fee.
It seems to me that I should be happy as hell that I got my Mac Pro for $2655 (with airport and 6 Gb ram) 2 weeks ago when then performance difference between the new 2x2.26 Ghz nehalem and the 2x2.8 Ghz Harpertown I have will definitely not outweigh that $1000 difference I'd have to eat.
Just looking for confirmation on this - the new pricing seems ridiculous and I'd be much better off putting that extra $1000 I saved into getting more memory for my harpertown version or finally getting that coveted CalDigit Raid Card (http://www.CalDigit.com/RAIDCard/)
Thoughts?
I'd be happy with my current machine rather than play the restock game, return the RAM, and start all over again.
HD 2600 XT > GT 120 unless you're gaming.