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Apple Introduces “Next Generation MacBook Pro” with 15.4″ Retina Display, Starts at $2199

NStocks said:
Why would anyone buy the "old" updated 15"? Its the same price as the retina, you just get more storage (HDD) and faster processor.
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The same can be said about the 13" MBP. The 13" MBA beats it in nearly every category. I foresee that in 2013, the 13" and 15" MBPs go the way of the dodo. Apple has already set up the 15" Retina MBP to succeed the 15" MBP, and with the Air now sporting 2.0GHz i7 Ivy Bridges, Intel 4000 graphics, and healthy amounts of RAM and storage, why the heck would anyone even consider a 13" MBP? Although both start at the same base price ($1199), I don't think you can justify paying for an 'old' 13" MBP just for some extra ports, a bulky disk drive, a bump in CPU performance most people using a 13" notebook won't ever notice, and some extra storage.

Especially (still!) with that God awful resolution...
 
inscrewtable said:
How is it Apple's fault for not making thunderbolt peripherals? Surely it's Intel's failing for not getting the ports onto PC's so there'd be more incentive for peripheral manufacturers.
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I'm not blaming them for not making peripherals, im giving Apple flack for how they handled the launch of thunderbolt and how ridiculously they hyped it out. Its been over a year and a half and I can count the number of thunderbolt devices with my fingers. I dont even need to do that to count how many ive even seen in stores; ZERO.

Thunderbolt is a complete disaster. Great on paper, miserable execution.
 
nikhsub1 said:
Who is everybody? I wasn't expecting a totally new design in the MBP's at all. The unibody is pretty darn good, how much better can it be? Make it into a Dell? The only reason why the hardware failed is because there is no 17" MBP - I'm hoping when 3840x2400 panels become available that the 17" will be brought back.
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I'm just saying that after 4-years, all they did was slim the unibody design a tad bit and add a retina display......for only one Mac - the MBP. No new iMac or Mac Pro (obviously not retina, but internal hardware) update. Definitely was expecting a retina iMac and new Mac Pro. All these two got was a speed bump.

Don't get me wrong, the new MBP is nice, but definitely should have been broadened to the 13" and 17" as well as the iMacs.
 
disappointing

Why the hell is 13" and 15" mac pro not updating???? but only this 15" retina macbook pro.........:mad:
 
Just one comment on the price. My first Mac laptop was a 2000 PowerBook Pismo. I believe at the time they were 2799 at the high end, before BTO. It's surprising that they've returned to those roots, but there is a precedent for this price scheme.
 
Now that the stores are open, I faced a very disconcerting situation here in Portugal.

Euro is worth approximately 1.25USD.

However here is the price list for the Macbook PRO:
- MacBook PRO 13" standard 2.5GHz - 1299EUR (1'623USD equiv.)
- MacBook PRO 13" standard 2.9GHz - 1599EUR (1'998US equiv.)

- MacBook PRO 15" standard 2.3GHz - 1949EUR (2'436USD equiv.)
- MacBook PRO 15" standard 2.6GHz - 2349EUR (2'936USD equiv.)

- MacBook PRO retina 2.3GHz - 2349EUR (2'936USD equiv.)
- MacBook PRO retina 2.6GHz - 2979EUR (3'723USD equiv.)

Am I missing something here??? Or is just that Apple hates Portugal?

Thanks a lot, but with such prices, I won't be upgrading my machine anytime soon.

best to all,
Paulo Neves
 
bazinga!! said:
I hate it that they raised prices. It's like their profit margin isn't big enough yet
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They didn't raise the price they changed the configuration. Old entry MBP did not have an SSD or a 5 million pixel screen or a 1GB video card. Those things cost Apple extra $ and they are pushing to the consumer. Apple's profit margin is likely the same, maybe even less. The entry retina MBP is priced fairly aggressively for what you get.

nauntnaunt247 said:
Why the hell is 13" and 15" mac pro not updating???? but only this 15" retina macbook pro.........:mad:
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Very similar to what happened when the 17" and 12" PBs were first introduced & the 15" was not immediately updated. The non-Retina MBPs are temporary. The 13" is likely to come this fall, Apple just didn't want it to compete immediately with the updated Air. The 15" non-Retina will be joining the 17" by year's end.
 
wikus said:
I'm not blaming them for not making peripherals, im giving Apple flack for how they handled the launch of thunderbolt and how ridiculously they hyped it out. Its been over a year and a half and I can count the number of thunderbolt devices with my fingers. I dont even need to do that to count how many ive even seen in stores; ZERO.

Thunderbolt is a complete disaster. Great on paper, miserable execution.
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That's how Apple like it though. Adopt a new connection type that no-one else supports, and sell a load of adapters. Then, when industry support becomes widespread, dump it and start the process all over again.
 
MacFather said:
beautiful design, inspired by Steve Jobs
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Beyond the incredible iOS maps, MBP retina and minor updates I think the main importance of this WWDC was to show not just analyst pundits, fans, or competitors, but the entire world that although Mr. jobs is gone APple can still innovate and deliver quality products that users will want. On all cylinders firing - we can see the top brass still loves apple and are working hard to ensure apple's success.
 
That's a significant size option on the SSD. Actually useable. Love the screen and refinement. Still the best looking laptop out there IMO. I will miss the ODD, but understand its demise- takes a lot of battery room ultimately and adds weight. Time to finally buy an external I guess.
 
MATTE SCREEN??

Jesus, so many people are omitting that awful MIRROR finish on the new 'retina' display macbook. Sure, I'll take an IPS screen with a high resolution... and they lets make it completely useless by turning it into a MIRROR with that idiotic super gloss finish.
 
samac92 said:
The website is up for the new MBP. http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/

I guess it will be about £1850 here in the UK

edit: £1799 and £2299
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The price hike from Apple US Store to Apple UK store is depressing (and a lot more than the current exchange rate plus shipping!),

I've been holding off buying (my first!) MacBook Pro until today's announcement, and I'm really pleased to see the introduction of the Retina Display, as this will be a very desirable feature for processing my digital SLR photos.

However, I am not keen on the fact that the new 'MacBook Pro with Retina Display) uses RAM and SSD soldered onto the motherboard (like the Air, right?).

If I've read the announcements correctly, this means that it's only possible to select/upgrade the configuration on the Online Store, and not afterwards (unlike the 'MBP without Retina Display' which have replaceable DIMMs and 2.5" drives - including SSD versions). I intend to keep my MBP for a long time, and I want it to last, and have the ability to upgrade/replace components, this new configuration is less appealing / less flexible. :(

I also priced up the MBP with and without Retina Display on the Apple UK Store, to as similar specs as is possible, and the results were interesting:

15" 2.6GHz* MBP with Retina Display, upgraded to 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, cables, AppleCare, total GBP £2,827.99

15" 2.3GHz MBP without Retina Display, upgraded to 8GB RAM, upgraded to 512GB SSD, upgraded to 1680x1050 display, cables, AppleCare, total GBP £2,767.97

*I wanted the 512GB SSD and this is only available with the 2.6GHz processor, not the 2.3GHz version.

I was surprised at how close the prices were. It seems like there's a huge premium to pay if I want the flexibility of configurable/upgradeable RAM and SSD (but I lose the Retina Display).

Am I worrying unncessarily about reliability of the onboard RAM / SSD flash, and should I just go for the MacBook Pro with Retina Display? :confused:
 
Conference just started...

iBug2 said:
The conference just started. iMacs and Mac Pro's probably will get updated during the week together with Mini's.
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Well... Maybe... MAYBE something for the iMac. But looks like the MP is done for this cycle. Today's posted Mac Pro update is quite properly "Meh".

Let's just say I am not holding my breath waiting for more tech goodies from Apple this week. Also face down unconscious in your keyboard is a crappy way to finish your shift.
 
Wow - lots of disappointment here in the forum about what WASN'T delivered. My thoughts:

  • Retina display, is going to be awesome. In a year's time every worth-while (>$1000) laptop on the market will have screens with this pixel depth or better, and Windows 8 will be able to take advantage of it. It's pretty damn cool that Apple is leading the charge here.
  • Neither the SSD nor the RAM seem to be user-upgradable. While I'm just as unhappy now with the BTO prices as I was a couple of days ago...
  • all of the existing MBPs top out at 16GB anyways - even if 16GB SODIMMS came out on the market, the mobo chipset/firmware won't be able to handle 32GB of RAM anyways.
  • With an SSD, memory paging is a lot less of an issue. I had 8GB in my MBP, and I've experimented around with various RAM and SSD combinations, and I found that, not counting boot time (which is unambiguously in favor of SSDs), 4GB + HD was about equivalent in performance (switching between applications, doing large memory-hungry C++ compiles, etc) to a 2GB + SSD. The pagefile is just so much faster on an SSD than it is on a HD. The Retina MBP comes standard with 8GB + SSD, which I may or may not upgrade BTO.
  • The SSD isn't user-upgradable, but there are also much faster ports for external storage now. There's USB3 of course which is very fast and quickly taking over the external storage market from pokey USB2, and we're seeing the first generation of Thunderbolt drive enclosures and portable drives. I used to have a MBP with a 128GB SDD and a 700GB HD, but that was because I had to store all of my videos and Aperture libraries right on the machine. With better external storage options, I'm pretty sure I can get by with 256GB SSD and store my video and picture media elsewhere.
  • I wonder if Apple is finally going to start selling these with EFI 2? That would make triple-booting Windows and Linux a lot less painful.
  • Pretty cool that they're going back to NVidia, for me at least. It means I can keep using CUDA.

Definitely sad for everyone that was hoping for a 13" version or better iMacs and Mac Pros, but for some of us this was a pretty awesome Apple Christmas day.
 
HD Audio support

I really don't get why Apple won't embrace blu-ray video & AUDIO!!! If you have heard DTS-HD or TrueHD audio you WOULD understand. Apple gives us an ultra high res screen but no support for ultra high fi audio!

Sure you can download 1080P videos from iTunes but you won't get HD audio!

Both the integrated and discrete GPU's support HD Audio passthru.

@ Apple.com no mention under specs of HDMI specs & headphone jack specs???

Apple, at least give us Blu-Ray playback support if we choose to utilize an ext. Blu-Ray drive! Dang...
 
SamuraiArtGuy said:
Well... Maybe... MAYBE something for the iMac. But looks like the MP is done for this cycle. Today's posted Mac Pro update is quite properly "Meh".

Let's just say I am not holding my breath waiting for more tech goodies from Apple this week. Also face down unconscious in your keyboard is a crappy way to finish your shift.
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They already have updated the Mac Pros...with speed bumps. So don't expect anything else. As far as iMacs, I would assume that they would have announced an upgrade to retina with the MBP today. I don't expect to see any new products by the end of the week.
 
wikus said:
MATTE SCREEN??

Jesus, so many people are omitting that awful MIRROR finish on the new 'retina' display macbook. Sure, I'll take an IPS screen with a high resolution... and they lets make it completely useless by turning it into a MIRROR with that idiotic super gloss finish.
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Have you seen one in person b/c in the keynote they said it's something like 73% less reflective than the screen on the non-Retina MBP.
 
kalsta said:
Hmm… You might be right. (Typing this on my 2011 MBP with anti-glare option.) I'd better not say too much until I actually see one of these new screens in person methinks.
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Unfortunately it turns out that I am exactly right. Look at the screen in this video and you'll see that the new retina screen looks basically as glossy as a standard glossy screen.

click the first video on the page and jump to 1:30

http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/11/apple-next-generation-macbook-pro-with-retina-display-hands-on/
 
MacConvert2012 said:
The price hike from Apple US Store to Apple UK store is depressing (and a lot more than the current exchange rate plus shipping!),

I've been holding off buying (my first!) MacBook Pro until today's announcement, and I'm really pleased to see the introduction of the Retina Display, as this will be a very desirable feature for processing my digital SLR photos.

However, I am not keen on the fact that the new 'MacBook Pro with Retina Display) uses RAM and SSD soldered onto the motherboard (like the Air, right?).

If I've read the announcements correctly, this means that it's only possible to select/upgrade the configuration on the Online Store, and not afterwards (unlike the 'MBP without Retina Display' which have replaceable DIMMs and 2.5" drives - including SSD versions). I intend to keep my MBP for a long time, and I want it to last, and have the ability to upgrade/replace components, this new configuration is less appealing / less flexible. :(

I also priced up the MBP with and without Retina Display on the Apple UK Store, to as similar specs as is possible, and the results were interesting:

15" 2.6GHz* MBP with Retina Display, upgraded to 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, cables, AppleCare, total GBP £2,827.99

15" 2.3GHz MBP without Retina Display, upgraded to 8GB RAM, upgraded to 512GB SSD, upgraded to 1680x1050 display, cables, AppleCare, total GBP £2,767.97

*I wanted the 512GB SSD and this is only available with the 2.6GHz processor, not the 2.3GHz version.

I was surprised at how close the prices were. It seems like there's a huge premium to pay if I want the flexibility of configurable/upgradeable RAM and SSD (but I lose the Retina Display).

Am I worrying unncessarily about reliability of the onboard RAM / SSD flash, and should I just go for the MacBook Pro with Retina Display? :confused:
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Get the Standard MBP and upgrade the RAM and SSD yourself. its easy.
 
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