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Apple Introduces Updated Apple TV with Netflix Integration, TV Show Rentals
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Did D-Link/Boxee just price itself out of the market @$199?
http://gizmodo.com/5627946/boxee-will-cost-199-when-it-releases-in-november
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OMG - That's like saying 'Buy a Windows 3.1 PC - it will do everything a Mac can do. Apple, and perhaps Boxee, are the only devices with a good interface. (Perhaps Popcorn Hour, but it is so buggy !)
who cares about interface, it plays just about anything you throw at it and it plays 1080p. Guess that sucks
Not all movies deserve a full quality rip, plus BD often has PCM audio (10GB overhead). I usually cut the "fat" out of original m2ts file and remux it with tracks I need. DTS is wonderful audio codec, oops it is not supported by Apple what
. Full quality only reserved for my favorite "classics". Majority is good enough to justify for 1080p@15mbps 720p@7mbps re-encode - it makes it more economical.
Anyway, many movies does not even deserve to be watched. yak
1TB is not that small when you allocate storage wisely. But disk storage is not that expensive.
What ? Both their interfaces suck. A bunch of pictures you navigate using a remote.
A good interface would be a command line and a keyboard. You type in cryptic commands and up comes the media.
Sarcasm aside, Interface is subjective.
It's 80% full right now, and it has none of my DVDs or Blu-rays on there. And I have hundreds of discs...
Amd disk storage is expensive when you make it high availability. My 1 TB NAS has 2 1 TB discs in it, mirrored. These were bought when it was 200$ per TB, for a grand total of 400$ of discs alone.
The new NAS I'm looking at would be a 4 disk box, with 2 TB drives using RAID5 instead of RAID1, so about 6 TB of storage for around 1300$.
Some of us have higher tastes than the "box" you put yourself into with a 5GB rip of a 30GB blu-ray file with lossless Dolby Digital and DTS tracks. It is a matter of preference. You may like the sound of 128Kbps more than 256Kbps for music too. And a streamed movie file is no more technologically advanced than what is going on with the optics and technology in a blu-ray player. Don't understand the "old corpses" comment if you are trying to compare blu-ray to streaming movies. Are you thinking streaming is really that gee-whiz new? Speaking of boxes, have fun taking your rip over to a friend's house to share a movie you like, or try sticking it in the in-car enterainment center to entertain the kids during your next 10 hour drive. Ripped files have some "boxed-in" issues of their own.
Blu-ray sales were up 74% 1st Qtr 2010 over 2009, and player sales were up 124%. The market is real, and continually growing. Apple just doesn't get revenue from it, so they are trying to cut their users out of it and force them in to distribution through Apple. Apple has a conflict of interest in providing blu-ray players in their hardware, unlike Dell or HP, because Apple is the only one of those three that makes a profit from digital download sales and loses directly to competition with physical media. Apple is not so much visionary in this area, as they are predatory, with hopes of having domination in video media distribution the same way iTunes has finally outpaced physical music.
You do not understand that the US prices are quoted WITHOUT SALES TAX! $99 + 8.25% sales tax in my state = $108, which is making the difference only about $20 now. Assuming import duties, tax to support musicians and all other European taxes account for $10, you're only paying about $10 or so more that I do.
Just some statistics:
120 full quality BD/HDDVD HD movies = 2.39 TB
363 1080p/720p re-encoded HD movies = 1.6 TB
40 1080i60 TV shows = 113 GB
17 1080i60 Movies(FIOS) = 159 GB
Hope it helps you to plan your future storage capacity.
Seeing as they are not in competing markets, I'd say no it doesn't.
They aren't even remotely similar in category, other than they can both stream and store video.
Ah, I would pick lossless FLAC/WavPack anytime vs. even 320 VBR AAC. So my demands are pretty high. I am very picky for video as well as I check for encoding artifacts with sample frames to make sure quality is not degraded below my tolerance threshold. BTW, x264 is awesome encoder and it is very fast on properly overclocked i7 hardware.
By "old corpses" I meant DVD media (480p Movies). BD media is awesome stuff as I can get access to the high quality content. After I have the content, the physical media is irrelevant to me. Sorry, if I was not clear in my earlier post.
Speaking of taking a movie with me to my friend or car. We do this all the time just grab my WD passport 500GB drive with a copy a few flix and tiny WDTV Live box (just as small as aTV) and HDMI cable (component video cable for the car). This is it. Plus we can exchange/share our goodies this way as well .
I think I am on the same page with you.
I would say these content manipulations are not for "average Joe". Not really relevant to Apple TV audience. Apple TV is for folks who are fully capable to figure out how to click "Buy" button in iTunes store or just not interested in this activities at all. Some folks like to play, some folks like to watch. But for folks who goes through this kind activities just to get stuff degraded and compatible with atv low quality standards - IMO it is just a complete waste of time. There are better options out there that would give you more satisfaction.
I do not think it would be so hard for Apple to add quietly a few features to satisfy more geeky audience - we do not really ask for match, do we?
Actually Apple and Amazon are both eating the costs of this. Apple is doing this as a test and will be paying Fox and ABC full prices for the shows "rented" (ie $2.99/$3.99). Amazon is not getting a break from ABC or FOX. They are doing this on their own, and thus will also be eating the cost.
No you will still be able to buy media and play it on the new AppleTV. You will be able to buy it through iTunes, your iPod Touch, iPad or iPhone and stream it from any of those things to your AppleTV. Do not worry.
You seem to have built yourself into a box. The future is streaming / on demand. Physical mediums and storing your own discs on hard drives is the past. We are all leapfrogging you to the future. That is what you are missing. You spend all this time and energy doing something that is going to be of little to no benefit to you in the future and eventually you will not even be able to do it any longer.
Hm, I think I am covered for the future to come as I have access to all streaming services that exists out there with HD streaming on-demand BD players. On the mean time I enjoy full quality HD without warring about losing disk, scratching it and wait I do not even want to be bothered with an overhead of owning and storing it, this is what Netflix is for.
I really hope one day in the future you can enjoy it too, just be patient. Wait a tick, in the future one could stream multimedia right into brain, so there will be no need for TV, aTV, iPod, iPad, blah, blah. I would suggest to hold on on the idea of buying HDTV at the moment as it may become an absolute soon. forget on-demand streaming, leapfrogging to brain streaming seems to be wiser move.
Besides, I actually enjoy this activity very, very much. (Some like to play, some like to watch). Another thing, the process is automated - this is what it takes a computer to do the tasks. I am doing something else or somewhere else when it all happens. My personal involvement is very minimal ~ 5-10 mins. Just about the same time it takes to click through studio ads and warnings until you ready to press "play" button and watch the movie in the BD player.
A few of you have alluded to it already, but I feel the biggest feature is airplay. It's a true Trojan horse. I think apple plans to gradually upgrade the ios so that your mobile device will eventually be able to stream anything to the big screen. You won't need any apps on ATV. (in fact, you seemingly have no room to store apps there). Ultimately, the content providers' resistance to ATV will prove futile, as we'll just squirt it from our iPods. That includes gaming, big time. As of ios 4.2, ATV becomes an iDevice peripheral, not a pc peripheral.
No argument here. But let's face it, they were a niche company catering to a tiny little corner of the market then. The transformation of Apple Computer, Maker of Obscure Computers into Apple Incorporated, Modern Juggernaut was fueled by a conscious decision to set power users to the side and concentrate on products for the teeming masses. iPod. iPhoto. iPhone. Etc. Almost everything they produce now has power users howling about how crippled it is, yet almost everything moves units like crazy. You are not in their core market anymore.
I felt the same way about a bunch of seemingly obvious features that were missing from the first iPod I bought. Seven years later, those features are still missing. And yet they've sold 275 million iPods anyway.
At some point, I just resigned myself to the fact that Apple had made a clear decision that simplicity of interface is their primary consideration, and that it was always going to be at the expense of functionality. They are not going to give you a bunch of options and preferences to set. They are not going to give you any features that they don't think 80 percent of the grandmas out there will use. It's maddening. But the flip side is that my daughter is not yet two, and she can pick up my phone, unlock it, swipe find the photos app, and start flipping through pictures. I have a phone with an interface so amazingly intuitive that an 18 month old can operate it, but yet I can't use my own sound file for incoming text messages. It's all about what kind of tradeoffs you find tolerable.
Regardless, the Apple that once emphasized pro tools and power users is gone. They got to the point where everything they do is front-page news on the New York Times by making amazing devices for technophobes. They don't make stuff for us anymore.
I agree. There's not much value to this for me. I have Netflix and Comcast OnDemand. Paying 99 cents per show to rent is still too much. Adding apps to this device would make it a sweet deal. But hold on a minute, it has the A4 chipset in it so it must be capable of playing App store games like any other iDevice right?
$4.99 per same day movie rental isn't any better than Netflix pricing. One thing I haven't seen is whether you can get a season's pass on renting an entire series. The season's pass is cheaper generally.
I suppose if someone didn't have cable or satellite then this might be something for them. The gadget freak might like the AppleTV too. But without the App store integration it is weak sauce.
Don't worry, that'll be in next years update, when apple come out and say "Look, we're amazing, we can give you apple TV in full HD" and charge everyone all over again.
"Hi Mr Jobs, yeah, FULL HD has been around for a few years now, wake up!"
Might have to snag this, must weigh my options first. My blu-ray collection isn't very large and I sold most of my DVD's but some movies are too good to rent.
Sorry, I couldn't read all of the posts. The price looks good.
But will the new Apple TV allow me to stream videos and music from my Windows Home Server?
But will the new Apple TV allow me to stream videos and music from my Windows Home Server?
Only if you run iTunes on it as with the currentTV, it seems.
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Thanks. I was hoping a separate program similar to AirVideo server would work. I already can stream on the PS3, but the Apple TV would be nice to have on another TV in the home.
All I ask for is an Airport Extreme that can do soft raid (0+1 would be fine) to as many hard drives as you want to connect to the USB port. At the same time, the job of Apple is to make money. The best way to make money is to cater to those who don't have 1337 technical skillz.
Note: I know 0+1 off of USB would be slow, but it would be great for backing up media. It would also be fast enough to serve files to an Apple TV.