Why limit it to 1 player model ? Most "models" are just the same hardware with 1 or 2 added or removed functionality.
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Why limit it to 1 player model ? Most "models" are just the same hardware with 1 or 2 added or removed functionality.
I'm not sure I want to type that long. A few examples? No mention of Mac at the developer conference. No mention of any work on 10.7. Jobs as much said the OS isn't getting any attention this year as they want to focus on iOS devices. OSX lacks Blu-Ray support. OSX lacks a real OpenGL update in the past half decade. iTunes doesn't support 1080p even for user material. OSX has and will not have any time soon any USB3 support. OSX graphic drivers have been so outdated and slow that games on Steam were running at 1/2 the frame rates of the same game on the same hardware when booted into Windows using Boot Camp! But you don't think they're falling behind....
Lovely logic there. Here you're trying to connect high sales of phones to "not falling behind" when I explicitly said they're falling behind on everything but phones these days. Then you use my all time favorite NONSENSE item (i.e. Profit) to somehow imply that profit makes Apple RIGHT or "complete" or "not behind" in EVERYTHING. There is NO LOGICAL CONNECTION THERE BUDDY! NONE! That's like saying because Bill Gates sold a crap load of copies of MS-Dos during the '80s and early '90s that MS-Dos WASN'T somehow behind the Mac OS back then (you know without Windows and that whole command line only thing they had going on?) But they were making MONEY! So they must NOT be behind the times!
OMG, you actually buy into crap? You could have said the same thing about Bill Gates! They do that for ONE reason ONLY. And that is TO AVOID PAYING TAXES!!!!!!!! I mean do you seriously think that Bill Gates wasn't the richest man in the world for a decade? How could he have been??? After all, he only made $1 a year!!!
Futhermore, Steve Jobs' "greed" goes beyond his own personal wealth and into the company itself. Apple is an extension of his greed. They are holding on to world record levels of petty cash for a tech company right now and they are not using it to pay dividends (to the shareholders) or to invest in new interest for the company (very little as a whole anyway) or to even hire more U.S. workers so that OSX can stay ahead of Windows. No, they are hoarding cash because Jobs LIKES IT. He and his new liver are probably diving into a swimming pool full of it each night.
No, Apple isn't greedy at all. They give all their profits to charity and they don't use one product to hedge another (you know like hold back Blu-Ray support to try and shove iTunes sales down your throat). They prop up so many U.S. jobs with all their U.S. manufacturing operations over in Communist China paying slave labor rights to make even more money. That's not Greed! That's just smart business!
Spoken like a true fanboy.
I like it but I already have a PS3 that I use for netflix and blu ray. I don't own any games yet.
Perhaps if I upgrade the tv upstairs I would get one.
Perhaps if I upgrade the tv upstairs I would get one.
I just bought one (119$ vs AppleTV's canadian price of ... 119$). The whole LG line-up is now network enabled, supports DLNA servers, some models are WIFI enabled. They support Netflix, Youtube and Picasa Web.
Most Sony and Samsung players are also the same.
Not to mention the MKV/AVI support on top of MP4 and all the codecs under the sun...
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Again, you choose numbers to support "720p is better". It wouldn't be $200 for $99. There are plenty of little boxes selling right now for < $99 with 1080p chipsets in them. Some of those also have additional hardware such as a disk spinner and laser.
I bet given that (only?) Apple is building 720p MAX chips into set top boxes, that Apple could have gotten a 1080p chipset for CHEAPER than the 720p. Why? Because everybody else is on the 1080p bandwagon, and when a lot more chips are being manufactured, economies of scale kick right in.
It's great that 720p MAX works for you & yours. A 1080p version would have served you 720p at exactly the same quality. But it would have also been something those of us that want 1080p could get what we want too.
Even Apple would have won at 1080p, because Apple wants to sell a lot of hardware. What better way to do that then to sell this to both camps, rather than cut one out?
Don't get me wrong. I like the
TVs I have now. But we've been capped at 720p for years. It is probably the #1 complaint/wish associated with the current version. It would have been great if the 2010 edition could have covered this base. "720p is good enough" crowd would have got their 720p to the max. "1080p or bust" would have got what they wanted. Apple would have got what they wanted (more buyers). Nobody had to lose.
How can you make a fair comparison in sales numbers when you have ONE device, versus an entire line up?
And that 1 or 2 added functionality? Where is the endless bitching and wining about that ******** marketing strategy?
You cut out the rest of my line. So, no there isn't a BD player for $99 that has:
- Streaming content from computer
- Access to MobileMe web streaming
- Connectivity with i products
- A dedicated media store
And to add to that:
- An actually usable UI
- And is updated with new apps and features in the future
Unless you're talking about a PS3 or Xbox 360, which both are NOT $99, there's nothing that does all this for the price.
MKV/AVI support is not a mass market bullet point. If you are a heavy torrent user or have the hardware to rip BDs (which is even MORE expensive), then the Apple TV wasn't what you were looking for to begin with.
Get real, dude.
Current media players with Wifi that can accommodate a 1080p signal go for about 200 dollars. A quick search shows the cheapest new Blu-Ray players with built in wifi are about 175-200 dollars.
Because frankly, a LG BD550 and a LG BD590 have a lot in common. The BD590 will do Blu-ray 3D and offer Wifi out of the box, while the BD550 is the base model. The BD580 is wifi enabled without Blu-ray 3D for those who don't want to pay the extra 25$ for something their TV doesn't support and they don't plan on having anytime soon...
You mean selling you cheaper stuff if you don't need the added functionality ? Providing tiers of features so that people who need more get more and people who don't, don't have to pay for it ?
Seriously, you're going to say that's bad ? Choice is bad ?
I wished Apple would offer more choices than One Model To Rule Them All sometimes...
You moved the goal posts. Wifi. My TV happens to be stationary, I don't give a crap about wifi, I'll be running Cat5e for stability to my streamer anyhow.
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Take off the blinders and take a chill pill. Apple creates products people love. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean 100 million other people wouldn't.
Hm, considering another 6 billion humans on this planet, there are lots of Apple hates out there, just mind blowing ....
Take off the blinders and take a chill pill. Apple creates products people love. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean 100 million other people wouldn't.
Hm, considering another 6 billion humans on this planet, there are lots of Apple hates out there, just mind blowing ....
Let's see... 99 pounds, divide by 1.2 to subtract VAT, convert to dollars: $128
So 28% more expensive. I'd love to hear the explanation for this.
Lol yeah, I own an LG blue ray with WiFi and it cost about $300-$350.... and I own 2 blue ray disks.
The Apple TV is a great value.
In Canada, it's 119$ to the US's 99$. Today's exchange rates puts 1USD at 1.03CDN. Meaning AppleTV is about 16$ too expensive in Canada.
And no, we don't have any tax in our sales price, just like the US, so the comparison is a direct one.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
I believe Jobs said there were 170 Million iTunes accounts with credit cards on file. That's very likely 170 million iTunes databases storing people's media. 3 million
TVs vs. 170 million is a buy rate of about 1.8%. And we're counting only those with credit cards on file, the 170M number would be bigger than that.Just think if this thing could be more appealing such as giving more people than just the "720p is good enough" crowd a few of the other features they want, how many more buyers would flow cash to Apple?
Giving it to us the way they want us to like it sells <1.8% of a very ready market. Making it more the way more of us want it seems like a better strategy to sell a lot more units.
I like the 2 I have, but I had dollars ready to buy 2 new ones if they just added 1080p hardware (not caring if there was any 1080p content in the itunes store, not worried about bandwidth constraints, not caring that the "chart" says I can't see the difference, and certainly knowing that a 1080p chipset would not have made it cost way more, nor in any way adversely affected the "720p is good enough for me" camp). Instead, the dollars stay in my pocket.
Is anyone considering just picking up one of the 160's for 149 on clearance rather than getting the new one for 99?
No. I have an original Apple TV and I can stream all my movies flawlessly. Storing the movies locally doesn't have much benefit. Unless your home network is really bad and laggy, I would just get the new one and save some cash.
I would add the price point moves it near the impulse buy level for many people.Considering what it does it's a much better value than the original(which I own,empty hard drive and all).Just ordered mine.Since it has a USB port,I expect Boxee will be available in short order,moving it into the megabargain zone.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
I'm sorry for your experience. But, your experience is not necessarily everyone's experience. Furthermore, my own desire for 1080p had no bandwidth pipe requirements at all. I'd just like to be able to connect 1080i/p HD Camcorder home movies rendered by iMovie and stored- and playable- in iTunes- to easily flow on to my 1080 HDTV.
National broadband issues will not be completely addressed for everyone for a very long time. If we have to wait until that base is covered, we'll almost never see a 1080p-capable
TV. There's a lot of people who can only get dial up, so maybe we shouldn't have 720p either. Maybe 320 x 240 would be right.But there are more ways to enjoy 1080p content without having to pump it through Internet broadband. For example, you could buy a 1080p Camcorder for cheap, shoot some precious home movies, edit & render them in iMovie, store them in iTunes and never flow them through the Internet pipe.
I know. The OP was suggesting it only did 720p because broadband wasn't fast enough for 1080p. I was pointing out that local networks are fast enough to stream 1080p so there was no reason not to include 1080p decoding.
I have enough video from iTunes or already encoded for TV to not get one of these at some point.
However my $149.00 Samsung BR player and TiVo HD XL both already support Netflix streaming in HD and in a pinch I could use the Wii for SD streaming so I'm not sure that's the feature that will make me actually use it.
The newTV solves one major issue I had with my rev A TV. Heat. Since it only has a 6W power supply I don't think I'll be frying any eggs on it.
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TV to not get one of these at some point.However my $149.00 Samsung BR player and TiVo HD XL both already support Netflix streaming in HD and in a pinch I could use the Wii for SD streaming so I'm not sure that's the feature that will make me actually use it.
The new
TV solves one major issue I had with my rev A TV. Heat. Since it only has a 6W power supply I don't think I'll be frying any eggs on it.B
The US doesn't have the 560. I guess you can say the 550 is pretty equivalent :
http://www.lg.com/us/tv-audio-video/video/LG-blu-ray-dvd-player-BD550.jsp
WiFi is available starting on the 570, but since I didn't need it and the 560 was so cheap, I didn't hesitate.