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Now while my 2010 mac Mini did cost about 7x as much...id still MUCH rather continue using Plex with it.

Better interface. Better content...apps.

:cool:
 
So what? 1080i/p steaming works with DirecTV, and a bunch of other stuff, albeit with severe compression. Most HDTVs are 1080<something>, not 720p. So your TV has to upscale 720 to 1080 introducing even more artifacts.

1080<x> should be an option. If your internet speed is to slow, then opt for the lower resolution. Simple as that!

Apple is about a consistent experience and quality.

Severe compression hardly sounds like a quality experience to me, and you're not likely to see compression artefacts when upscaling, it doesn't happen that way around.

Not surprisingly TV's are VERY good at upscaling as quite ofter their main content is 480i/576i to 720p/1080p.
 
This has been my big question. I hope, as with iOS devices, that older generations will see a software update.
Looks like that's a big nope. The new AppleTV has the A4, so it's no longer Intel-based. It must now be based on iOS code with Back Row rewritten to appear as it did on the old Intel boxes. Interesting.

The upside is that, in the future, other iOS apps could make their way to the new AppleTV.
 
The interface on the WD is pure ass, navigating through just sucks.

Oh I agree that the UI is ******. But it does way more functionality than the current ATV does.

Unfortunately there isn't a 100% complete solution yet. If ATV merged with WD TV HD then it would be ridiculously awesome and no person would complain.
 
Do any of the features carry over to current AppleTVs?

Its not like the device can't handle anything he mentioned.

The UI looks almost exactly like it is now, so much for the App Store inclusion.

i think you know the answer
 
I assume streaming to the AppleTV from the iPad will work on my DVD movies that I copied into iTunes via Handbrake? I use Handbrake's universal format. Does that keep the 720p settings?

Thanks
 
For anyone that doesn't know, the Remote App has been updated:

"Channel surf, tap, and flick with the Remote app.
Control Apple TV using your iPhone or iPod touch. Download the Remote app free from the App Store. And with a flick of your finger, you can rent new movies and TV shows, scroll through the Netflix catalog, and browse your media collection. Remote uses the same easy-to-use interface you already use to browse music and video on your Multi-Touch device. So right away, you know how to navigate. If you want to find something specific, use your device’s QWERTY keyboard to quickly tap out the title instead of clicking letters on the Apple TV screen. Then keep tapping to play, fast-forward, rewind, and pause to your finger’s content."

WRONG WRONG WRONG. I hope they do, but the remote app has not been updated. Nov 1999. It needs to be, and not just for the iPad to solve the 1x 2x pixelation, but redesign the app.
 
So now Apple TV will do the same things as my Sony Blue Ray player, except it won't play Blue Rays. Wow. Really compelling. Oh yeah, I already have Fox and Disney - what a bonus.

These things are gonna sell like hotcakes!

And Internet connected tv's, and Xbox 360 and PS3. What's the point of another box again? I don't understand why people are looking forward to this?
 
Apple TV
Price: $99
Resolution: 720P
Includes: Netflix, YouTube

Support Video Formats: M4V, MP4, MOV

Supported Audio Codecs: HE-AAC (V1), AAC (16 to 320 Kbps), protected AAC (from iTunes Store), MP3 (16 to 320 Kbps), MP3 VBR, Audible (formats 2, 3, and 4), Apple Lossless, AIFF, and WAV; Dolby Digital 5.1 surround sound pass-through

Built in Wi-Fi N


WD TV HD Live Plus
Price: $109
Resolution 1080P
Includes: Netflix, YouTube, Flickr, Pandora

Supported Video Formats: AVI (Xvid, AVC, MPEG1/2/4), MPG/MPEG, VOB, MKV (h.264, x.264, AVC, MPEG1/2/4, VC-1), TS/TP/M2T (MPEG1/2/4, AVC, VC-1), MP4/MOV (MPEG4, h.264), M2TS, WMV9

Supported Audio Codecs: MP3, WAV/PCM/LPCM, WMA, AAC, FLAC, MKA, AIF/AIFF, OGG, Dolby Digital, DTS

Wi-Fi only available through extra purchase.



So tell me again, how the Apple TV can compete with the WD TV HD Live Plus and other devices?

Why does Apple come out with a great design, superb UI, but ruin the functionality?

Because "great design, superb UI" are part of the functionality and have value - IMO significantly more value than <long list of codecs> and 1080P. From where I watch my TV there is no significant difference between 1080P and 720P on 99% of content.
 
I usually try to not get sucked into the hype of Apple rumors, but this is one of those situations where I totally did.

I was CONVINCED along with others that this device would run iOS and have the ability to stream content from Netflix, Hulu, and other places. I was set to cancel cable and get a higher-end Internet connection and put the savings there towards a new TV.

I guess, though, we're still waiting on the TV revolution that some of us thought the Apple TV would initiate...
 
Because "great design, superb UI" are part of the functionality and have value - IMO significantly more value than <long list of codecs> and 1080P. From where I watch my TV there is no significant difference between 1080P and 720P on 99% of content.

You must be using a <42" tv but again why are Apple fans so against choice? Can I get a choice of 1080p if the rest of my equipment can handle it or must Apple dumb it down for the masses?!?
 
Not much in the way of surprises..

I have owned an Apple TV since it came out, and the fact that it is loosing the HD does not surprise me. The one on my unit has been pretty much full for over a year, and most of the shows we watch are streamed over Itunes from my Mac anyway. The HD on the Apple TV is pretty much useless.

I really hope they push and update to the original apple TVs enabling netflix. We cut the cable cord about 3 months ago, and it is very nice to be able to instantly get kids shows for my 4 little ones. Right now my Xbox 360 does the streaming, and if I can shift it to the Apple TV, then I can cancel my xbox live subscription.
 
You all whiners are forgetting that you can stream from iphone and ipad to apple tv easily, I bet you can't do that with WDTV. I had WDTV and interface sucks on it.

I noticed the new apple tv has a USB port under the hdmi port.
There is no mention what that USB port is for??????
 
mrzippy said:
Apple is about a consistent experience and quality.

Severe compression hardly sounds like a quality experience to me, and you're not likely to see compression artefacts when upscaling, it doesn't happen that way around.

Not surprisingly TV's are VERY good at upscaling as quite ofter their main content is 480i/576i to 720p/1080p.

Right, no compression artifacts, but artifacts from upscaling absolutely happen.

Oh and by the way, jobs forgot to thank all of the beta testers he ****ed with today's announcement of new atv. No way I'd buy this pos.
 
love that netflix has been added. i have an ATV and i buy and rent movies that are not yet on netflix all the time. i also have netflix so this is cool.

i do buy good movies occasionally so i'm a little confused at the lack of purchasing. not a big deal because you can still buy with itunes.

the lack of a hard drive is the biggest question mark for me. i do have all my pictures and music on the ATV and i'm a little unclear on how it's supposed to store that info if my computer is off. i don't want it to kill my wifi network streaming all the time. i liked the cache it kept on the ATV.

lastly, the ability to play apps on the tv was something i was looking forward to. i hope hey come out with this at some point later.
 
One of the best things we LOVE about our Apple TV is when playing music or when a movie is pause for 2 minutes or longer, the Apple TV screensaver is on in floating photos mode, showing off all synced photos with that cool multi-size, multi-depth, rotating effect. Without syncing a set of photos to the Apple TV for this, I wonder if this feature will be removed. It is a must for music listening as well as when the Apple TV is inactive. It's how we see our pictures most of the time. I rarely ever play a photo slideshow from the photos section.

If this feature is gone, I don't see myself upgrading.
 
Mac Mini Media Center

Please tell me again how this is better than my Mac Mini Media Center which is also small, cool and quiet,

Can play any media I want and is not limited to Apple centric codecs through software like Movist,

Has a better GUI through software like Plex,

Gives me full the full web experience,

and though I can connect a wireless keyboard, there is nothing like controlling it using my iPad or iPhone as a remote with TouchPad.

Not to mention, I can buy and own all of my content. Yes storage may present some challenges but I'm happy to own my content forever and watch it as many times as I want.
 
Well I'm the poor chap with a 480p capable television but no HDMI, is there any viable HDMI->Component converters out there?

I've been googling around but wanted to ask here before jumping on one.

I also wonder what the likely hood will be of the old ATV getting a software update?
 
This new :apple:TV makes sense from Apple's iTunes store ecosystem point of view. If you don't live in that ecosystem, there is very little point to go for the Apple solution.

However, the main reason I bought an :apple:TV was to have my whole music and photo collection accessible directly on my Home Theatre without having to look for CDs or stream and keep my Mac switched on. I later hacked it to enable an external USB disk on which I stored kids' movies for convenience reason. The new device would not let me do any of this.
 
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