Using cheap labor ensures there are more profits that go to those altruistic executives. The executives want the money so that they can donate to their favorite political/social cause.
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Apple Investigating Report of Forced Student Labor at Chinese Factory
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Because if they don't give them money they will raise their import duties on them
If you think America is 100% Democratic you are in for a big surprise. A lot of monopolies, corruption and bureaucracy exist in the US (Not just China) There are two methods to possess enough resources; deny resources to others and/or create alternative resources. Farming technology of 1940 is insufficient to feed 21st century. 1940 energy technology is insufficient to power our 21st century Lithium production? China, Chile and Australia are the primary producers today. Will there be enough? Perhaps another, better, more efficient storage technology is on the horizon.
A resource is a temporary variable.
Actually, I was thinking of all the executives in the US that are fixated on pocketing profits for themselves. Just look at the way executives pay themselves and their headquarter staff and then look at the line workers. The disparity is massive.Because if they don't give them money they will raise their import duties on them
There is nothing altruistic about these executives. They are in positions to fix problems; instead they put policies/procedures that perpetuate them.
Yet you offer no counterargument to their claims.
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And what slave-labor-produced device did you use to type your comment?
Because the onus isn't on me to prove Lkrupp's asinine claim that American workers are lazy false.
Bear in mind your illustrating cultural difference, and more often than not such toilets do flush, although very alien to the western mind. O.T. Apple is what it is take it or leave it...
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Whatever. Virtually everything you can think of starts small and increases in size if you can’t see that you probably can’t see that your post isn’t worth a reasoned rebuttal.
Apple can never truly see the value of a proposition until it’s tried.
The, “Oh Americans will never go for it”, is a load of hogwash. Put the jobs there and enough Americans will take them.
Still deflecting. Nothing to offer.
"The, “Oh Americans will never go for it”, is a load of hogwash."
Except you are good with the straw man. No one made that claim. Except you.
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So you are directly contradicting what the article says, right? There is actually more than one Chinese company that lost their contract with Apple because of things like this.
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Please show us a source. One that isn't from 2012. Then tell us about the cost of living in China.
Well go to undeveloped countries the Chinese have plundered like Laos. In the year 2018 there is nothing left when they are done. No trees, no rivers left un-dammed, no mountain left unmoved. I see your point but by the time new tech is at that level there is already not much left. I am talking about a scenario where Chinese live American lifestyles. It is completely possible and very likely that China will surpass the United States and 90% of their population doesn't benefit.
Ok good. 3-year-old slave labor is much more acceptable than recent slave labor. I'm glad you are so progressive with your purchases.
I think today in China very few will work for under 4000 RMB. There is the old saying “You can hire at one salary but to be able to keep that employee you need to be able to pay a certain salary”.
I think 4000 RMB is the salary you can hire at but to keep you need either 5000 or 6000 RMB per month these days in Shenzhen to keep any employee working for you
Apple will be angry. They probably assumed all the labour was forced, but now it appears only some are. What an outrage. Tim will do another softball interview to talk about the stress of 'coming out' to deflect people who might criticise.
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so many lulz
If only consumers were more self conscious about the world they live in and the consequences of their actions. If they didn’t rush to the store to get a brand new iPhone every year just to feel better about themselves and show off to other people.
My past iPhones were bought on eBay in light use and mint condition. Great savings and you don’t make these greedy CEOs any more richer than they need to be.
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The only cost perspective that I see in this case is thst Timmy would get poorer for a few millions down. Big deal. All these spoiled CEOs live so large that they loose touch with reality. They really need to see their profits cut down sometime along the line.
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Agreed 100%.
This reminds me of the stupid speech that Obama gave pre elections, stating that jobs are not coming back and asking sarcastically if Trump has a magic wand. And after the economy growth numbers came out under the Trunp presidency, that lying globalist idiot claimed that all the job growth is thanks to the policies under his (failed) presidency. What a joke of a man.
This is the same analogy like the people that claim the Us cannot produce phones and doesn’t have the trained workforce. But once that happened for real they would eat up their words.
My past iPhones were bought on eBay in light use and mint condition. Great savings and you don’t make these greedy CEOs any more richer than they need to be.
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The only cost perspective that I see in this case is thst Timmy would get poorer for a few millions down. Big deal. All these spoiled CEOs live so large that they loose touch with reality. They really need to see their profits cut down sometime along the line.
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Agreed 100%.
This reminds me of the stupid speech that Obama gave pre elections, stating that jobs are not coming back and asking sarcastically if Trump has a magic wand. And after the economy growth numbers came out under the Trunp presidency, that lying globalist idiot claimed that all the job growth is thanks to the policies under his (failed) presidency. What a joke of a man.
This is the same analogy like the people that claim the Us cannot produce phones and doesn’t have the trained workforce. But once that happened for real they would eat up their words.
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I know this is a wide sentiment but people have to think like a business owner. If someone can make your product at a much cheaper price and you can save money, you usually go with it. Apple is a business - they want to make as much profit as possible.
This is very true but when you make this much money the very least you could do is to make sure your employees are paid well. This though raises a second question, are they Apple’s employees or the manufacturer’s employees..? Apple just gives OEM orders
He or she is just saying "the investigation will be all show and talk and phony promises and then in
a few weeks time, business back as usual again.
"If Tim's going to insist on civilized rules, he'll have to pay off whatever fees China has imposed--probably Apple has agreed to pay Foxconn x amount of dollars per month no matter what, and just go back to America and
make iPhones there. Of course that means higher prices for consumers in the end because Apple needs to make its profit margins no matter what."
Short version: rots of ruck try change anything Yankee go home hahaha!
No, this is the fault of a manager in a factory in China, who thinks he can save his company some money by getting interns to work in a way that is cheap but illegal according to Chinese law, and against Apple’s guidelines. Which both can get him and his company into trouble.
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Here's the problem: You are proposing that some workers will be paid more for the same job than others. So who is going to get the well paying jobs? Workers with connections of course. Like the HR manager's three kids, the nephew of the supervisor, and so on.
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Please note that what this company is accused of is _illegal_ in China. If the accusations are true and proven, someone at the company will pay.
BTW. What you think about socialism, anyone in Europe will think of us utter nonsense.
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This report is not about Foxconn at all. Foxconn had a situation last year when students worked overtime who shouldn't have, but that was voluntary, and Foxconn _paid_ for the overtime. So no money was saved.
As far as suicide nets are concerned, (a) they work. (b) San Francisco has been too cheap to put suicide nets on the Golden Gate Bridge, with about 2,000 suicides. Many, many times more than at Foxconn. But American lives are cheap in San Francisco, it seems. Cheaper than suicide nets.
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Apple is not the typical average business owner...
Their Profit margins are out of this world. We are talking for mountains of cash and bank reserves. It wouldn’t hurt in the slightest a small drop of millions on their bank account. Business can also have ethics and values, it doesn’t need to be all about $$$.
And I’m pretty sure Apple has the resources and the talents to build an infrastructure to make this work.
If Apple doesn’t already have one, they need to create an employee website, where employees and factory workers can anonymously report unfair treatment / working conditions. Many large US corporations have such “whistle blower” systems in place.
I didn't say their profit margins weren't out of this world. And how exactly is outsourcing unethical or showing a lack of values?
It is unethical because it benefits from the low wages of non western countries to produce the goods and then sell them in premium prices. And also they empower totalitarian regimes by raising their country’s GDP or signing agreements that give them the right to mass surveillance the population. The western world cannot be basing the mass production of electronics in countries that are ideologically opposing the western culture.
These big tech companies become complicit by doing business with corrupt and oppressive regimes. Period.