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No matter Intel or Apple chips, I guess it still....ahem...quite expensive. AS based MacBook might floating around $1999 as starting point, maybe.
It is impossible for the base Macbook to start from $1999
 
Rosetta 2 will be know as slowetta until Apple can get native apps on the new processor. these youngsters did not live threw the rosrtta 1 transition. So enjoy the pain and will see you in two years when apple has it all working smoothly.
The 68k stuff wasn't so bad once SpeedDoubler came out. Apple was more conservative in it's emulator than other companies could be. I'm sure that if Apple's emulator falls the speed test other people will step up and replace it, just like they did in the past.
 
The 68k stuff wasn't so bad once SpeedDoubler came out. Apple was more conservative in it's emulator than other companies could be. I'm sure that if Apple's emulator falls the speed test other people will step up and replace it, just like it did in the past.
Those were very different times. Back then you basically had a boot rom and a very simple OS.
You cannot compare this with today's macOS security layers, frameworks and such.
Emulating Intel architecture on an arm based processor will be difficult enough without all the mac specific stuff.

Don't expect a third party emulator any time soon, if at all.
Rosetta2 is your best bet for running ia64 code on Apple Silicon Macs.
 
Those were very different times. Back then you basically had a boot rom and a very simple OS.
You cannot compare this with today's macOS security layers, frameworks and such.
Emulating Intel architecture on an arm based processor will be difficult enough without all the mac specific stuff.

Don't expect a third party emulator any time soon, if at all.
Rosetta2 is your best bet for running ia64 code on Apple Silicon Macs.

The MacOS was far from simple. It's obvious that you don't know anything about the 68k era at all. And really, x86_64 has already been emulated. Just because you believe it's a hard problem is irrelevant. A hard problem means opportunity for someone who's willing to do the work.
 
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The MacOS was far from simple. It's obvious that you don't know anything about the 68k era at all. And really, x86_64 has already been emulated. Just because you believe it's a hard problem is irrelevant. A hard problem means opportunity for someone who's willing to do the work.
Neither of you knows what you're talking about. Rosetta was used for PowerPC emulation on Intel x86 hardware starting in 2006, 12 years after the 68k -> PPC transition.

Trivia: x86_64 (aka AMD64) was created by AMD before Intel developed an almost identical version of the ISA.
 
Neither of you knows what you're talking about. Rosetta was used for PowerPC emulation on Intel x86 hardware starting in 2006, 12 years after the 68k -> PPC transition.
I have been developing software for ppc and intel based macs for over 25 years now, so I know what I am talking about and know what Rosetta is. We were talking about SpeedDoubler though, which was indeed a tool for the 68k -> PPC transition.
 
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Big mistake switching Macs to ARM.
Mac only has between 6 and 7 percent OS Marketshare
It will drop even lower switching to ARM
Everyone will standardize to Windows and Android phones
People needing serious CPU muscle will migrate to windows until Windows stops development in 2025.
Most people will be using Tablets with ARM Processors

Most people don't have enough money saved for their retirement
Do you really think they are going to invest in a new chip architecture and buy all new software?
Only Die Hard unwilling to change APPLE Fan Boys will go with ARM Macs
The rest of us see the writing on the Wall
WINDOWS 10 for the other 94 percent of the planet.
ARM is no match for Intel and AMD x86 CPU muscle
 
In a normal year, Apple would never hold a major product launch so close to American Thanksgiving. This is not a normal year. These “video keynotes” have allowed Apple to break it’s own best practices. They never would have had so many separate major announcements either. I’m confident the about the Nov 17th predictions.
 
Big mistake switching Macs to ARM.
Mac only has between 6 and 7 percent OS Marketshare
It will drop even lower switching to ARM
Everyone will standardize to Windows and Android phones
People needing serious CPU muscle will migrate to windows until Windows stops development in 2025.
Most people will be using Tablets with ARM Processors

Most people don't have enough money saved for their retirement
Do you really think they are going to invest in a new chip architecture and buy all new software?
Only Die Hard unwilling to change APPLE Fan Boys will go with ARM Macs
The rest of us see the writing on the Wall
WINDOWS 10 for the other 94 percent of the planet.
ARM is no match for Intel and AMD x86 CPU muscle
Keep believing. Don‘t let facts get in your way!
 
Big mistake switching Macs to ARM.
Mac only has between 6 and 7 percent OS Marketshare
It will drop even lower switching to ARM
Everyone will standardize to Windows and Android phones
People needing serious CPU muscle will migrate to windows until Windows stops development in 2025.
Most people will be using Tablets with ARM Processors

Most people don't have enough money saved for their retirement
Do you really think they are going to invest in a new chip architecture and buy all new software?
Only Die Hard unwilling to change APPLE Fan Boys will go with ARM Macs
The rest of us see the writing on the Wall
WINDOWS 10 for the other 94 percent of the planet.
ARM is no match for Intel and AMD x86 CPU muscle

or maybe Mac will gain more marketshare over the next decade from this.

- Apple Silicon should offer much better battery life compared to the competition running Windows
- Apple Silicon means unless developers opt out all those Apps on your iPad and iPhone now run on your Mac giving it a massive boost in apps available.
- Apple Silicon should leave Intel based laptops for dust performance wise (at least in the mobile segment)
- Apple now have write once run everywhere, iPhone, iPad, Mac, Apple TV this will make Mac development by developers easier and more likely to have a Mac version.
- Apple Silicon in bench marks already out performs the the 13" MacBook Pro running Intel and in their own words 'this is when we are not even trying' . The A14 is the worlds first 5nm chip, they have 3nm in the works for in just 3 or 4 years. Who knows what Apples plan is, it might be to just out perform intel slightly with the first wave of Mac chips, then when A15 comes out start thrashing intel like crazy. By the time you get to A17 Apple could be doing crazy things, all I know is Apple would not switch without being very sure they can do a much better job than Intel and their iPad Pro chips already show they can make very good processors.

Also windows has already lost half of its usage share to Android, iOS and Mac. in 2009 Windows accounted for 94% of devices accessing web pages, in 2020 its 36%. Consumers have moved to iPads, iPhones and Android devices for their general usage and businesses are getting increasingly more mobile devices. Apple moving to ARM keeps the Mac family closer to the modern world.

You do know Microsoft have a surface running an ARM version of Windows? Its a disaster, but then again most Microsoft projects are, they just cannot pull things off the way Apple does.
 
The U.S. is their primary market, and the election will be taking up a vast majority of the news cycle on the day of, the day after, and the day before. They will, in all likelihood, avoid that news week cycle entirely for the announcement of their event. They want a lot of attention for this, and it's going to be lost in the weeds if they try to compete with 'the most important election of all time.'
Do Apple events normally make the main news cycle in the US? I would think it only normally reaches tech news outlets, which will be unaffected by the election.
 
- Apple now have write once run everywhere, iPhone, iPad, Mac, Apple TV this will make Mac development by developers easier and more likely to have a Mac version.
This is true only to a certain degree, and code wise not much has changed, since you could reuse your code between iOS and macOS anyway. Just because the target architecture is the same does not mean that a great iPhone app is suddenly a great macOS app.
 
no just no. A Mac will be Mac, running macOS and u can download apps from wherever u like even on an ARM Mac.
:rolleyes:
The thing to worry about is that AS macs will support per-file app-controlled encryption, meaning that third party programs can't access files belonging to other apps without that app's permission. I assume that is intended to be used for DRM, but if used thoughtlessly it could be a real PITA for interoperability tools.
Do Apple events normally make the main news cycle in the US? I would think it only normally reaches tech news outlets, which will be unaffected by the election.
It depends if it is a slow news day. Also, it is easier to get onto breakfast shows and suchlike where they have to fill hours of news-like fluff and banter, so a well-crafted pass release can relatively easily get you a free advertorial.
 
The most exciting Apple news of the year. Fingers crossed it's relatively well implemented for a first gen product.

My 2015 MacBook Pro is still going, but I could definitely go for an upgrade if ARM hits the sweet spot.
 
We can all agree that the event won’t take place November 3th but I can’t really see no reason for why it can’t be November 10th or am I missing son magic rule why they need to announce that are going to send their prerecorded stream one week before? Is this the the English upper class during the 19th century?

Tell us today, Monday 2th or any other day that the event is on the 10th or the 17th of November.
 
They're not going to announce an event in the days before, during or after the U.S. election. The event will be announced 11/10 and held on 11/17.

Quite possibly optimistic to expect the US election to be completed by the 10th Nov. Looks like it will be a protracted nightmare fight over postal votes... Fundamentally agree with the concept that Apple don't want to share news space with the election — I'm not sure that they'll have a choice though...
 
Me

Me too, dude. I really hope to be happily surprised by the processing power of whatever chip they put onto it!

The only way Apple could justify switching to its own silicon is if their chip blows out of the water the best chips from Intel and AMD. Apple should play the best hand they have with this annoucnment and present a true beast. Anthing less than 50-75% performance and battery life increase compared to an equivalent Intel chip would be a dissapointment. If Apple cant beat i9 by a wide margin, the whole switching would make very little sense. Apple already has a more advanced production node at 5nm so how fast and efficient is their own architecture is the true mistery.
 
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I wish Apple would support arm windows variant.

Yeah, Apple should embrace a competing operating system running on its hardware... Windows on ARM requires licensing agreements with hardware manufacturers, I would be shocked if Apple negotiates a deal to provide Windows on a Mac. BootCamp isn’t the same thing, the end user is responsible for the licensing. Maybe if Microsoft changes how it works with Windows for ARM but I’m also thinking that AS Macs will be locked down just like iOS devices when it comes to alternative operating systems.
 
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