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how long after does it usually take for pre orders to be available for the phones? and then how long until they release? i cannot remember
 
I hope they have a "one more thing" moment at the end, and announce the new MBPs. Fine if they're not released just yet, but announce them. Pleeeeease

Here's a thought ... It's not Apple's style to do this, but what if they're trying to put Wall Street in a good mood with this keynote, before their end of quarter conference call and 1st quarter earnings projections?

They might announce everything today. Otherwise, there's still time for a dedicated Mac event in early October.
 
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