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Apple involved in Next Gen PC to HDTV Connectivity
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RedTomato
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'30 inches should be enough for anyone'
Not if you're talking about projectors.
With home projectors where you sit a bit closer to the screen than you would in a cinema, the pixelling on them can be quite noticeable.
1280 x 720 projectors are available for less than £700, and prices are falling all the time and resolution going up quite steeply, especially at the high end.
Also the new digital cinema projectors need ultrahigh bandwith. I don't know much about them, but it seems connector bandwith is becoming a problem there too.
..RedTomato..
Not if you're talking about projectors.
With home projectors where you sit a bit closer to the screen than you would in a cinema, the pixelling on them can be quite noticeable.
1280 x 720 projectors are available for less than £700, and prices are falling all the time and resolution going up quite steeply, especially at the high end.
Also the new digital cinema projectors need ultrahigh bandwith. I don't know much about them, but it seems connector bandwith is becoming a problem there too.
..RedTomato..
gnasher729
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Joep said:
I don't know about the 30 inch Cinema display, but most computer monitors don't have an HDCP connector. If the Cinema display doesn't have one, and if your software refuses to display on a monitor without an HDCP connector, which for example a BlueRay DVD decoder in the future most certainly will, then it won't play.
Just wondering: What HD content did you buy?
generik
macrumors 601
gnasher729 said:
The real irony is despite all these draconian measures, some hacker (by definition) will manage to crack the protection and release these movies to the P2P networks in all of their HD goodness, and I will simply not pay for it, pirated it, and watch it on my Free (as in libre) monitor.
Why should I:
1) Spend money
2) Buy "special" magic hardware
3) get treated like some croak?
If I am going to spend money I expect to see the red carpet rolled out, no less!
gnasher729
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.Andy said:
That has nothing to do with HDCP. If your computer could figure out that the movie you want to see is pirated, it will do whatever it is programmed to do, but that has nothing to do with HDCP.
What the movie industry is afraid of, is that some pirate or some enterprising individual could build some hardware that grabs the video signal that comes out of the graphics card, record it on a harddisk, and convert it back to H.264, for example. If you had that hardware, then you could take any _original_ BlueRay DVD, play it once, record the data, reencode it again and start making pirated copies.
With HDCP, the graphics card sends out encrypted data, and the monitor decrypts it, so nobody can grab the signal between graphics card and monitor. If your BlueRay DVD player finds that your graphics card doesn't have an HDCP chip, then it won't play, no matter whether your DVD is original or pirated. If your graphics card has an HDCP chip, then the graphics card will check that the monitor has an HDCP chip as well, and if it doesn't, the BlueRay DVD player won't play. If both graphics card and monitor have HDCP chips, then the graphics driver will report the public key of the monitor to the BlueRay DVD player. The player will have a list of "cracked" devices, and if your monitor is on the list, it won't play.
Since every single HDCP chip in the world has a different public key, your monitor shouldn't end up on a list of cracked devices. If it does, I guess it is the monitor manufacturer that you should complain to. There are many other ways how a BlueRay DVD might be pirated, and HDCP cannot do anything about those.
Ja Di ksw said:
No! It's another hurdle to jump over if you want to fairly use the content you already purchased. Not all reasons to move media from one format to another are illegal.
gnasher729
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CrazyWingman said:
HDCP prevents one very specific method of copying contents that has nothing to do with fair use: By grabbing the video signal between graphics card and monitor. Of course it is very annoying if an expensive monitor that is quite capable of displaying HD content won't work because HDCP is missing on the monitor, but this has nothing to do with "fair use": No HDCP, and you cannot use HD content at all, whether fair or unfair.
To be sure, there will be other measures that will prevent both illegal copying and "fair use", but HDCP isn't one of them.
Ja Di ksw said:
Hmmm, Maybe you would change your mind if SOny et al decided that it was criminal to play your DVD on more than one computer/TV in your home. This is not farfetched. Fair use is not criminal... yet but they are pushing very hard to make it so.
Chundles
macrumors G5
OK, my Dad just bought a nice new Panasonic Viera 42" plasma screen. It has HDMI input on the back. What this is saying is that this screen, despite the thousands of dollars Dad has just thrown down for it, might not be able to play HD content from the new generation players?
Well that's just plain stupid.
Well that's just plain stupid.
CreepyArcade
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AtHomeBoy_2000
macrumors 6502a
Lacero said:
I really hope firewire wins out. It would seem that being able to conect all your multi-media players together using Firewire cables would be easier. However, maybe I am readign this article wrong. It seems that UDI will be mainly a computer to monitor thing wile Firewire will be for entertainment centers.
ZorPrime
macrumors regular
generik said:
You have a good point but the problem will be "hackers" are going to have to attack the media on two fronts, maybe three, all simultaneously: 1) Embedded chips in the HD monitors. 2) HDCP (which has supposedly already been cracked by a chryptologist). 3) Then there's the OS, if viewing HD on a PC.
http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/hardware/hdcp-vista.ars
LethalWolf excellently explained, in post #36, how the fundamental nature of these new HD and DRM technologies work. It'll be a pain updating the hacks because, unlike now, the content owners will have a better means of staying on top of things. All of these things need to be cracked, in order to get true HighDef. So, it'll be possible but it won't be easy through time but then again... no security measure is 100%. 😱
generik said:
I'm not going to touch that. 🙂 😱
CreepyArcade said:
Ok, you're corrected.
The point of HDCP is to prevent you from making copies of stuff that is encrypted, not to prevent you from watching stuff that isn't encrypted. Basically, the idea is that you have to have an HDCP-capable display device to view the content. If your display device isn't HDCP-capable, your BluRay player will drop back to DVD resolution. The HDCP license agreement ensures that no device with an HDCP input will be capable of recording the decrypted video stream - if it does and "Big Brother" finds out, a future software update will tell your BluRay player that the device is not legit, and it will no longer output video to it.
This will not affect your $6k camcorder. If it has Firewire, of course you will be able to dump video you recorded into your Mac to edit. If it has an HDMI output, it will not bother enforcing HDCP on video you recorded, so even if your BluRay player has revolted against your plasma TV (because some hacker built a pirate recorder box that spoofed your TV's serial number), you'll still be able to watch the HD video you shot of your cousin's third birthday party and see the glorious high-resolution Thomas the Tank Engine cake smeared all over his face.
Super Dave
macrumors 6502
Super Dave
macrumors 6502
asphalt-proof said:
Who's "they?" I'm not being a jerk, but seriously.
I use DRMed stuff all the time. I have NEVER run into one of its limits. I have an iPod yes, I knew that when I started buying music from Apple. If you want to use another player, you use another store. Either way, the DRM ain't bad.
[Edit: Dernhelm with the post on DVDs is correct, that kinda stuff is pretty frustrating. Why can't I rip a DVD? Companies which prevent fair use through DRM should be forced to make a ripper that wraps a new type of DRM onto it. DVDs should have serial numbers and each one should only be able to be ripped like once or twice.]
David 😎
As someone who does not live in the US, I think it sucks that the whole computing industry has to be dragged down and locked up because of a bunch of easily bribed US Congressmen. Why can't the rest of us have a proper HDMI standard without any anti-customer "features"?
Super Dave
macrumors 6502
Peace said:
Wow. That was totally disproportionate to what I said.
Dude, we're talking about DRM, not illegal surveilance. There's a huge difference between not being able to burn 8 identical CDs to sell to my friends, and not being able to talk to my friends without the government listening in.
David 😎
PS- Maybe I just don't understand the connection because I'm Canadian. Surveilance is a non-issue here, though I am terrified of what's going on south of the border.
Super Dave
macrumors 6502
CaptainHaddock said:
Because if we did, we'd pirate it at rampant rates so that the industry would go down the tubes. No, not soon, but eventually.
Maybe some of the 30+ crowd don't know how to rip a CD yet or get it off of the internet, but as a 24 year old, I know only about 8 people who don't download things illegally as their primary method of getting music. Of those, only 1 does it for reasons other than that they are honest Christians. Heck, half of my "Christian" friends steal music without thinking twice.
When people my age get to be at the high end of the age demographics, nothing is going to change except an entire new generation of people will be around ALL ripping music and movies.
Oh yeah, and average bandwidth on the internet is going up. Do you think that trend is going to change? Movies are next. It's only a matter of time.
Realistically there is a reason for DRM. I may not like how it's done (in the case of DVDs) or I may not even notice it (Apple's FairPlay), but there is a reason for it.
David 😎