Apple is facing class action for iOS 7

[gotluck]

Ios is the only modern computer os you cannot downgrade

 

[Dented]

Ios is the only modern computer os you cannot downgrade

IOS is also arguably the most secure modern OS in consumer hands, suffers the least fragmentation, and is in many ways the most successful in terms of user satisfaction, developer support and so on.

 

[MisakixMikasa]

IOS is also arguably the most secure modern OS in consumer hands, suffers the least fragmentation, and is in many ways the most successful in terms of user satisfaction, developer support and so on.

It is all depends... no OS is completely secure, so I take freedom over security anytime... I will just need to be extra careful when I am online...

I need to point out that Windows Phone 8 is pretty secure too and really not much fragmentation. Windows Phone 8's user satisifaction is very high as well. So your point is kind irreverent

 

[Armen]

It is all depends... no OS is completely secure, so I take freedom over security anytime... I will just need to be extra careful when I am online...

I need to point out that Windows Phone 8 is pretty secure too and really not much fragmentation. Windows Phone 8's user satisifaction is very high as well. So your point is kind irreverent

Gotta love that Windows Marketshare.

 

[MisakixMikasa]

Gotta love that Windows Marketshare.

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Market share means absolutely nothing... Mac market share was below 1% before and still under 10% right now... Android market share was well below Windows Mobile before. Low market share does not automatically mean Windows Phone is bad. The Windows Phone 8 and the recent Windows Phone 8.1 is pretty awesome, it actually runs better on low end Nokia Lumia 520 when comparing iOS 7 on iPhone 4. You know what even better: Cortana actually works on Lumia 520, but Siri does not work on iPhone 4.

 

[Armen]

Market share means absolutely nothing... Mac market share was below 1% before and still under 10% right now... Android market share was well below Windows Mobile before. Low market share does not automatically mean Windows Phone is bad. The Windows Phone 8 and the recent Windows Phone 8.1 is pretty awesome, it actually runs better on low end Nokia Lumia 520 when comparing iOS 7 on iPhone 4. You know what even better: Cortana actually works on Lumia 520, but Siri does not work on iPhone 4.

Do you know what this is?

This is an Audiovox PPC 6600 Windows Mobile 5 Phone I owned back in 2003 before the industry even gave birth to the "Smartphone". I also owned the PPC 6700 which ran Windows Mobile 6 the following year.

Microsoft has had a Mobile OS on the market 4 years before Apple released the first iPhone and 5 years before Android was announced and they STILL couldn't take the market so forgive me if I laugh at your enthusiasm for Windows Mobile.

http://www.crn.com/news/mobility/300072735/windows-phone-vp-stresses-app-development-a-marathon-not-a-sprint.htm

"With more than 240,000 apps, Windows Phone 8 is indeed bolstering its arsenal, but is still way behind Android and iOS, which each have north of a million apps to offer. In fact, that is what makes it tougher for Belfiore's team to get the bigger app developers on board, he admitted."

Translation: "Developers don't want to develop for Windows Mobile"

Doesn't matter how good the OS is if it's not popular it won't be successful.

Remember WebOS? most people don't because it died with the Palm Pre.

Blackberry is on its last legs as well.

 

[rhett7660]

Absolutely frivolous lawsuit. LOL

You don't like Apple Devices or iOS 7 - go get an android. You have options...

This is almost as stupid as the lady that sued McDonalds because her coffee was hot and she got burned from it. lmao

You do realize the only people who thought that the suit was stupid were the giant media corporations who were pushing for tort reform, right? Anyone who bothered to read the case facts would know that the 80 year old woman was only asking for a hundred thousand(ish) to cover her hospital bills. The millions she got from McDonalds were because the jury was pissed, because that was the 3rd or so time something like that happened, and McDonalds didn't care. But since you're not a stupid idiot, you knew all that already, right?

And to add to Monkey's comments, you did see the pictures right? You did actually look into the lawsuit and read what it was about right?

Somehow with the comments you made I highly doubt you did.

 

[dazed]

iOS 7 did not "remove" functionality from the iPhone 4 and 4S. Did those 2 devices run iOS 7 a bit slower? sure. But that performance problem was addressed in iOS 7.1

Which took about 6 months to come out after the release of 7. That's a lifetime for people who use their phones everyday.

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Gotta love that Windows Marketshare.

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And what has market share got to do with anything relevant to the conversation?

 

[MisakixMikasa]

Which took about 6 months to come out after the release of 7. That's a lifetime for people who use their phones everyday.

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And what has market share got to do with anything relevant to the conversation?

Some people here need to bash other platform to show how good iOS is.

 

[davelanger]

It cost like $150 to file. The lawyers are either working Pro Bono or no win no fee. In America you don't get penalised if you lose a case like this.

They should to stop stupid lawsuits like this. If you always had to pay for the defenses lawyers when loses these kind of case less and less of them would be filed.

 

[Armen]

Some people here need to bash other platform to show how good iOS is.

Some people here like to praise a platform they don't even USE. how does that work? You're telling me how great Windows Mobile is yet your signature is full of iOS and Android devices.

If you're going to talk the talk, then walk the walk.

P.S. I don't need to bash Windows Mobile. It's failing on its own without my help.

 

[Armen]

Which took about 6 months to come out after the release of 7. That's a lifetime for people who use their phones everyday

Im sorry was iOS 6 perfect on release day? I remember it taking a few months to iron out the kinks that version as well.

 

[C DM]

Im sorry was iOS 6 perfect on release day? I remember it taking a few months to iron out the kinks that version as well.

To be fair it wasn't imperfect to the level that iOS 7.0 was, nor affected older devices to the level that iOS 7.0 affected some older ones--iOS 6 on 3GS was generally no worse than iOS 5 and in some cases even better, on the other hand iOS 7.0 on iPhone 4 was below par at least until 7.1 came around half a year or so later--and even for those that did have some issues (which seemed like a much smaller set and much smaller issues) fixes didn't really come half a year later. On the other hand, iOS 7 was certainly a much bigger change and rewrite compared to iOS 6, which inherently was more likely to have more issues (although Mavericks didn't seem to suffer from that as much). Although there's more agreement that it was still somewhat rushed and could have used more time to bake to come out at least somewhat better along the lines of what 7.1 made it.

 

[MisakixMikasa]

Some people here like to praise a platform they don't even USE. how does that work? You're telling me how great Windows Mobile is yet your signature is full of iOS and Android devices.

If you're going to talk the talk, then walk the walk.

P.S. I don't need to bash Windows Mobile. It's failing on its own without my help.

I didn't put on my signature does not mean I don't have it... I have 3 PC in my house, Samsung TV, Samsung Printer... Do I have to put everything? Plus there is limit on how many things I can put on my signature. I am sorry I made you uncomfortable when I praise Windows Phone... If you going to talk, show me how much iOS really better than Windows Phone... do not just throw me a laughable market share thing... because market share means nothing.

Yes, iOS gets much more apps than Windows Phone, however, Windows Phone in this stage is perfect usable. Windows Phone maybe get tiny market in North America, but it is really successful in global market. Windows Phone has larger market than iOS in some part of Europe, Asia and Latin America. I am sorry, Windows Phone is not failing on its own, it is rather good.

here is my Nokia Lumia 520... Photo taken by iPod Touch...

 

[dazed]

Im sorry was iOS 6 perfect on release day? I remember it taking a few months to iron out the kinks that version as well.

Not saying it didn't, but ignoring peoples issues and brushing it off as a "that was fixed later" is not an excuse for bad software.

 

[I7guy]

And to add to Monkey's comments, you did see the pictures right? You did actually look into the lawsuit and read what it was about right?

Somehow with the comments you made I highly doubt you did.

Let's say someone was boiling water at home in a tea kettle. Poured the water into a cup with a lid went into the passenger seat in a car, tput the cup between their legs, took the lid off and spilled the water/tea and got the same burns. Sue the cup manufacturer because there was no warning about hot beverages? Tea kettle manufacturer, gas company and stove maker? Yeah right.

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To be fair it wasn't imperfect to the level that iOS 7.0 was, nor affected older devices to the level that iOS 7.0 affected some older ones--iOS 6 on 3GS was generally no worse than iOS 5 and in some cases even better, on the other hand iOS 7.0 on iPhone 4 was below par at least until 7.1 came around half a year or so later--and even for those that did have some issues (which seemed like a much smaller set and much smaller issues) fixes didn't really come half a year later. On the other hand, iOS 7 was certainly a much bigger change and rewrite compared to iOS 6, which inherently was more likely to have more issues (although Mavericks didn't seem to suffer from that as much). Although there's more agreement that it was still somewhat rushed and could have used more time to bake to come out at least somewhat better along the lines of what 7.1 made it.

iOS 7.0 was windows vista. iOS 7.1.1 is more like windows 7 sp1. I didn't have issues with vista although it was the first 64 bit solid consumer OS for desktops, even though 64 bit has been around in various incarnations for many years. iOS 7.0 was a jumping point for apple in terms of an OS that supports both 32 and 64 bit. So maybe there were some rough edges.

 

[Armen]

Not saying it didn't, but ignoring peoples issues and brushing it off as a "that was fixed later" is not an excuse for bad software.

I agree with you but you and I both know software is never perfect.

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I didn't put on my signature does not mean I don't have it... I have 3 PC in my house, Samsung TV, Samsung Printer... Do I have to put everything? Plus there is limit on how many things I can put on my signature. I am sorry I made you uncomfortable when I praise Windows Phone... If you going to talk, show me how much iOS really better than Windows Phone... do not just throw me a laughable market share thing... because market share means nothing.

Yes, iOS gets much more apps than Windows Phone, however, Windows Phone in this stage is perfect usable. Windows Phone maybe get tiny market in North America, but it is really successful in global market. Windows Phone has larger market than iOS in some part of Europe, Asia and Latin America. I am sorry, Windows Phone is not failing on its own, it is rather good.

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here is my Nokia Lumia 520... Photo taken by iPod Touch...

Look Misaki,

I know Windows Mobile is a good operating system. It's not failing because it is bad it is failing because developers are not jumping aboard and making apps for it. What good is a good operating system if there is no software for it?

Don't you remember how limited Mac applications were back in the day compared to the shelves and shelves of Windows software?

The software has to sell or be available first before the Operating system can excel.

by the way, since when a Samsung TV an operating system?

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To be fair it wasn't imperfect to the level that iOS 7.0 was, nor affected older devices to the level that iOS 7.0 affected some older ones--iOS 6 on 3GS was generally no worse than iOS 5 and in some cases even better, on the other hand iOS 7.0 on iPhone 4 was below par at least until 7.1 came around half a year or so later--and even for those that did have some issues (which seemed like a much smaller set and much smaller issues) fixes didn't really come half a year later. On the other hand, iOS 7 was certainly a much bigger change and rewrite compared to iOS 6, which inherently was more likely to have more issues (although Mavericks didn't seem to suffer from that as much). Although there's more agreement that it was still somewhat rushed and could have used more time to bake to come out at least somewhat better along the lines of what 7.1 made it.

Of course iOS 7 was rushed. But to say it crippled, disabled older phones is a bit blown out of proportion. No one seems to give Apple any credit for getting a brand new iOS out the door in such a short amount of time and it not be a disaster.

 

[C DM]

I agree with you but you and I both know software is never perfect.

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Look Misaki,

I know Windows Mobile is a good operating system. It's not failing because it is bad it is failing because developers are not jumping aboard and making apps for it. What good is a good operating system if there is no software for it?

Don't you remember how limited Mac applications were back in the day compared to the shelves and shelves of Windows software?

The software has to sell or be available first before the Operating system can excel.

by the way, since when a Samsung TV an operating system?

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Of course iOS 7 was rushed. But to say it crippled, disabled older phones is a bit blown out of proportion. No one seems to give Apple any credit for getting a brand new iOS out the door in such a short amount of time and it not be a disaster.

Giving credit for something simply not failing even in a short amount of time is barely even setting a low bar. Things shouldn't be failing at all and it would be disgraceful if they did. As for iOS 7, sure, it didn't distroy anything, not should it have, but it certainly could have and should have been better and not rushed.

 

[Dented]

It is all depends... no OS is completely secure, so I take freedom over security anytime... I will just need to be extra careful when I am online...

I need to point out that Windows Phone 8 is pretty secure too and really not much fragmentation. Windows Phone 8's user satisifaction is very high as well. So your point is kind irreverent

Windows Phone doesn't have anything like the same exposure that IOS has - that's where the market share comes into play and is highly relevant to this. It's nothing like as big a target for malware, or security researchers for that matter. The fact that IOS is tried and tested on so many millions of devices, day in day out, for so long, without any appreciable malware threat emerging, is what makes it so proven as a secure OS. Any OS can be secure in theory but nothing has passed the test in practice like IOS.

 

[Armen]

Giving credit for something simply not failing even in a short amount of time is barely even setting a low bar. Things shouldn't be failing at all and it would be disgraceful if they did. As for iOS 7, sure, it didn't distroy anything, not should it have, but it certainly could have and should have been better and not rushed.

Windows has had a Mobile team since 2000 something like I mentioned C DM. I don't know if they scrubbed that entire project and started over again with Windows Mobile 7 or not though.

 

[rhett7660]

Let's say someone was boiling water at home in a tea kettle. Poured the water into a cup with a lid went into the passenger seat in a car, tput the cup between their legs, took the lid off and spilled the water/tea and got the same burns. Sue the cup manufacturer because there was no warning about hot beverages? Tea kettle manufacturer, gas company and stove maker? Yeah right.

Yup, sounds to me like you have not read up on the case or seen the pictures.

 

[I7guy]

Yup, sounds to me like you have not read up on the case or seen the pictures.

Wrongo my friend. See what happens when you assume. Why don't you tell us what the case was about?

Both read up on the case and have seen the horrible pictures. Have no sympathy, this case is a poster child for tort reform and the settlement was private, what does that say?

 

[C DM]

And it looks like whoever brought up the while McDonald's thing petty much succeeded in detailing the discussion.

 

[rhett7660]

Wrongo my friend. See what happens when you assume. Why don't you tell us what the case was about?

Both read up on the case and have seen the horrible pictures. Have no sympathy, this case is a poster child for tort reform and the settlement was private, what does that say?

Hm, seems to me the settlement wasn't private.....

I am sure we are not going to change our minds on this, so I will stop right hear.

 

[C DM]

Windows has had a Mobile team since 2000 something like I mentioned C DM. I don't know if they scrubbed that entire project and started over again with Windows Mobile 7 or not though.

My comments were about Apple, iOS, and iOS 7.0 in particular. Microsoft's or Google's work on their software is/was unrelated to that.