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The looks and size of the Apple adaptors are awesome. Unfortunately their durability is atrocious. I'm about to need my 4th power adaptor on this G4 notebook, and from what I understand, the magsafe design is just as bad in this regard.

i think you were plain unlucky...the magsafe design is great and so is the reliability of the power brick...
 
We call those whiners "spec whores".
I sometimes think that a lot of the whining is generated by envy. Those complaining the loudest seem to base their complaints on how foolish we were to have spent so much for our Macbook Pros, not on what is wrong with their Macbook Pro. The "politics of envy" seems to be alive and well and living right here. :)
 
I sometimes think that a lot of the whining is generated by envy. Those complaining the loudest seem to base their complaints on how foolish we were to have spent so much for our Macbook Pros, not on what is wrong with their Macbook Pro. The "politics of envy" seems to be alive and well and living right here. :)

Lots of truth there. It's not like the new MBPs will magically come out at a lower price either.

I guess someone has to be the target market for those "Hyundai has more trunk space than the BMW 5 series" commercials...
 
The looks and size of the Apple adaptors are awesome. Unfortunately their durability is atrocious. I'm about to need my 4th power adaptor on this G4 notebook, and from what I understand, the magsafe design is just as bad in this regard.
I, too have a Powerbook G4. I agree with you that the power adapter plug used on those machines was susceptible to damage. I am working on my second one but AppleCare covered the first one, which failed.

Keep in mind, though, that the G4 is an obsolescent machine, having been replaced by the Macbook Pro more than 4 years ago. One of the many improvements included in the Macbook Pro is a magnetically attached power adapter plug, which works very well.

Despite its obsolescence, the G4 is a workhorse. I still use mine regularly, although it it is now 7 years old. I have never had any computer last so long, or even come close.

You have done a lot of complaining in this thread about the high price of the Macbook Pro and the questionable judgment of those who buy them. May I be so bold as to ask if you own one?
 
Apple is leader in terms of cultism and promoting necessary consummation, to me, Apple is Big Brother and they are good at it, there are still lots of people who think that Apple products are good investments, or just think that it's not overpriced.

You are only buying an image, to me, when I see someone needing this image, I interpret it as "I have little personality and I'm quite uninformed about my overall consummation, I follow the trend because other people took the decisions for me"

So you won't be buying an iPad? ;)
 
...however, there are so many retarded apple fans out there, they probably sell more MBP than they ever did... the human is pretty dumb.....

Apple is leader in terms of cultism and promoting necessary consummation, to me, Apple is Big Brother and they are good at it, there are still lots of people who think that Apple products are good investments, or just think that it's not overpriced.

You are only buying an image, to me, when I see someone needing this image, I interpret it as "I have little personality and I'm quite uninformed about my overall consummation, I follow the trend because other people took the decisions for me".

The view must be really nice up on that pedestal you've falsely built for yourself :rolleyes:
 
The view must be really nice up on that pedestal you've falsely built for yourself :rolleyes:

Face it, Apple is the best at screwing up their customers and making them love them even more after. You're a victim.

But of course there are these individuals who have so little common sens, Apple just knew there was a market for that kind of exploitation. I admire their genius in the way I admire Bush's genius. However, I can only have disgust for the simple minded fanboys, but that's not my problem.

I bet Google envy Apple right now... but you know these trends are only waves, they last about 10 years, who's the next? Sony again? I'd rather be timeless.
 
You have done a lot of complaining in this thread about the high price of the Macbook Pro and the questionable judgment of those who buy them. May I be so bold as to ask if you own one?


I have not done " a lot complaining about the price" of the Macbook Pro in this thread. In fact, I don't believe I mentioned the price at all in here. Interestingly, you must be supplying your own inputs.

As far as the power adapter, I clearly stated that I had merely "heard" that there are still many problems with the magsafe design.

I own and continue to use the Powerbook G4 as my laptop until the updated Macbook Pros came out.
 
I have not done " a lot complaining about the price" of the Macbook Pro in this thread. In fact, I don't believe I mentioned the price at all in here. Interestingly, you must be supplying your own inputs.

As far as the power adapter, I clearly stated that I had merely "heard" that there are still many problems with the magsafe design.

I own and continue to use the Powerbook G4 as my laptop until the updated Macbook Pros came out.
If I offended you by my characterization of your posts, I apologize. Anyway, it would probably be a good idea for other posters to read your posts to this thread and draw their own inferences from them rather than accept mine.

We agree that the old G4 is still quite a serviceable computer. I also agree with your decision to wait for the next MBP update before replacing your old G4. After all, your G4 is still doing a good job, so why not wait and see what's next? That's what I'm doing, too.

I have been looking for a 13 inch laptop. Unfortunately, there is nothing on the market that will work for me. The current 13 inch MBP weighs 4.5 pounds and so is too heavy to satisfy my requirements. The Macbook Air, although extremely appealing in many ways, has only 2Gb of RAM, which cannot be upgraded. That ends the inquiry as far as I am concerned. I need any new laptop I buy, even an ultra lightweight, to have enough RAM to let me run VMware Fusion in Unity mode and Windows from the OS X desktop, simultaneously with OS X apps. I have learned the hard way that 2Gb of RAM is insufficient to allow me to do that comfortably.

Before anyone suggests it, I am not interested in a Windows laptop because of the inability of Windows machines to conveniently run OS X.
 
Face it, Apple is the best at screwing up their customers and making them love them even more after. You're a victim.

But of course there are these individuals who have so little common sens, Apple just knew there was a market for that kind of exploitation. I admire their genius in the way I admire Bush's genius. However, I can only have disgust for the simple minded fanboys, but that's not my problem.

I bet Google envy Apple right now... but you know these trends are only waves, they last about 10 years, who's the next? Sony again? I'd rather be timeless.

I have nothing to face nor am i victim of anything.

I bought my first mac 6 yrs ago because i liked the feature-set and i liked the way it worked for my needs not because it was the 'cool' thing to do or whatever other nonsensical theory you have. Same goes for all other Apple products i own.

But do feel free to keep pontificating...eventually someone might listen.
 
i7? Too much heat & uses too much battery life. i5 would be a better choice. C2D is only one generation behind so will be able to do most, if not all tasks that is thrown at it.

7200 RPM hard drives: Again too much heat and uses too much battery life.

SSD hard drives just don't have the reliability & longevity compared to regular SATA hard drives.

is this a troll post...really, is it?

arrandale i7 runs at the same TDP as a core2duo--bye bye heat and battery life theory

7200 rpm harddrives--barely use any more battery, and hard drives are probably the coolest operating critical piece inside a laptop--theres negligible, if any difference in heat between a 5400 and 7200 rpm drive, i highly doubt hard drive heat is even accounted for in engineering a laptop because it's so nominal--bye bye heat and battery life theory

SSD harddrives--they last something retarded like 60 years, and have no moving parts. last time i checked as an engineer, no moving parts>>>>>>>>moving parts--where did you even come up with this theory?

apples crap is outdated and its pathetic.
 
If I offended you by my characterization of your posts, I apologize. Anyway, it would probably be a good idea for other posters to read your posts to this thread and draw their own inferences from them rather than accept mine.

We agree that the old G4 is still quite a serviceable computer. I also agree with your decision to wait for the next MBP update before replacing your old G4. After all, your G4 is still doing a good job, so why not wait and see what's next? That's what I'm doing, too.

I have been looking for a 13 inch laptop. Unfortunately, there is nothing on the market that will work for me. The current 13 inch MBP weighs 4.5 pounds and so is too heavy to satisfy my requirements. The Macbook Air, although extremely appealing in many ways, has only 2Gb of RAM, which cannot be upgraded. That ends the inquiry as far as I am concerned. I need any new laptop I buy, even an ultra lightweight, to have enough RAM to let me run VMware Fusion in Unity mode and Windows from the OS X desktop, simultaneously with OS X apps. I have learned the hard way that 2Gb of RAM is insufficient to allow me to do that comfortably. In particular, the hinge on the 12" feels like it did when it was brand new, whereas on the 15" it seems rather loose and wobbly at this point.

Before anyone suggests it, I am not interested in a Windows laptop because of the inability of Windows machines to conveniently run OS X.


Yes, I love my 12" Powerbook. The build quality is really superb apart from the aforementioned power adapter. I recently was using my father's 15" G4 model which was bought 6 months after mine. Despite the fact that mine has seen exponentially more use and travel over the last 5-6 years, mine feels so much better built than the 15".

This will probably be the last time I keep a computer for this long. As of now, I plan to wait for the new MBP to come and and show up in the refurb store. If Apple really comes through with a more complete redesign, I might bite the bullet for a non-refurb unit.
 
Apple is leader in terms of cultism and promoting necessary consummation, to me, Apple is Big Brother and they are good at it, there are still lots of people who think that Apple products are good investments, or just think that it's not overpriced.

You are only buying an image, to me, when I see someone needing this image, I interpret it as "I have little personality and I'm quite uninformed about my overall consummation, I follow the trend because other people took the decisions for me"

So yeah.. I'm still looking at their products just in case they eventually start to offer something good, because I do like the design.. and that slim keyboard is neat, I'm using it right now.

Lulz. YES!!! All the software developers, data center admins, political bobble-heads, musicians, dj types, movie makers, scientists etc only bought a mac because it looked cool. :rolleyes:

I couldn't care less who sees my box with an Apple logo on it (gasp). It stays in the house most of the time anyway.
 
This will probably be the last time I keep a computer for this long. As of now, I plan to wait for the new MBP to come and and show up in the refurb store. If Apple really comes through with a more complete redesign, I might bite the bullet for a non-refurb unit.
I have loved my MBP, primarily because, thanks to Fusion and a lot of RAM, it allows me to concurrently run both Windows and OS X apps without having to be concerned about which is which. The MBP's logic board failed a couple a months ago but I have AppleCare coverage so it was replaced at no cost to me. Otherwise the MBP has been trouble free over the course of the more than 2 years I have owned it.

My G4 has been remarkably trouble free. In the 7 years I have owned it the only problems I have had was one power cord connector failure, a frayed cable connecting the video card to the display, and a failed Airport card. AppleCare covered the power cord connector, although I had to pay to get the video cable repaired because that happened after the AppleCare coverage had expired. I replaced the Airport card with a $19 Mac specific USB wifi adapter, which i bought from OWC. That's not much for 7 years.
 
Apple may not have TRIM, Sata 3, USB 3.0 and the i7 but it will eventually come sooner or later. You should see TRIM support hopefully in the next update for OSX and the i7 should be out very soon now that the iPad is out. I'm looking forward to USB 3.0 and Sata 3.0 but these things won't really get taken advantage in full force until probably next year sometime. SSDs are already pushing SATA 3.0 but they're still quite expensive for the masses.
 
If I offended you by my characterization of your posts, I apologize. Anyway, it would probably be a good idea for other posters to read your posts to this thread and draw their own inferences from them rather than accept mine.

We agree that the old G4 is still quite a serviceable computer. I also agree with your decision to wait for the next MBP update before replacing your old G4. After all, your G4 is still doing a good job, so why not wait and see what's next? That's what I'm doing, too.

I have been looking for a 13 inch laptop. Unfortunately, there is nothing on the market that will work for me. The current 13 inch MBP weighs 4.5 pounds and so is too heavy to satisfy my requirements. The Macbook Air, although extremely appealing in many ways, has only 2Gb of RAM, which cannot be upgraded. That ends the inquiry as far as I am concerned. I need any new laptop I buy, even an ultra lightweight, to have enough RAM to let me run VMware Fusion in Unity mode and Windows from the OS X desktop, simultaneously with OS X apps. I have learned the hard way that 2Gb of RAM is insufficient to allow me to do that comfortably.

Before anyone suggests it, I am not interested in a Windows laptop because of the inability of Windows machines to conveniently run OS X.

Actually, I use my MBA to run my business. I use Parallels in "coherence" mode, which I assume is VMWare's "unity" mode, to run my Windows-based business apps. This arrangement works well in a business scenario; I wouldn't try gaming on the MBA (OS X or Windows), but for most daily needs it's more than adequate.
 
We call those whiners "spec whores".
and what do we call ourselves ?? apple whores???
I am sorry...but the spec whiners have a point....
At this moment, the very fact that Apple is still selling outdated tech. at outrageous prices means that Apple does treat its customers like whores!! It is a 'Take it or leave it' attitude...pretty smug if you ask me.
 
is this a troll post...really, is it?

arrandale i7 runs at the same TDP as a core2duo--bye bye heat and battery life theory

7200 rpm harddrives--barely use any more battery, and hard drives are probably the coolest operating critical piece inside a laptop--theres negligible, if any difference in heat between a 5400 and 7200 rpm drive, i highly doubt hard drive heat is even accounted for in engineering a laptop because it's so nominal--bye bye heat and battery life theory

SSD harddrives--they last something retarded like 60 years, and have no moving parts. last time i checked as an engineer, no moving parts>>>>>>>>moving parts--where did you even come up with this theory?

apples crap is outdated and its pathetic.

You call yourself an engineer? Even the Arrandale i5 use slightly more power then the C2D.

Core i7 tends to use 45-55 watts of power...a midrange Core 2 Duo uses about 22 watts. Do laws of physics cease to exist just because its a i7? Heat & battery life theory confirmed.

60 years!?! Theoretical limit is more at 30 years, even then, Its HIGHLY doubtful a SSD will actually last that long, not without problems. Firmware & software is just not sophisticated enough & SSD's are too new to trust to critical systems like databases, financial data ect.

True, SSD's use less power & less heat then conventional hard drives. But are still in their infancy.
 
Actually, I use my MBA to run my business. I use Parallels in "coherence" mode, which I assume is VMWare's "unity" mode, to run my Windows-based business apps. This arrangement works well in a business scenario; I wouldn't try gaming on the MBA (OS X or Windows), but for most daily needs it's more than adequate.
If I understood your post that is very encouraging. Am I to understand that you run Parallels in coherence mode and it will allow you to have both Windows and OS X apps open on the OS X dock? If so and you are doing it on an MBA with only 2Gb of RAM, it's great news.

Like you, I don't play any games. None of my applications are particularly graphics intensive. I run Quicken 2010 and the Oxford English Dictionary on the Windows side and, usually, Chrome, Apple Mail, iCal, and various Office X applications in OS X. On my MBP with 6Gb of RAM, its easy to do. Fusion, however, didn't do a very good job when I had only 2Gb of RAM.
 
Apple is no where near cutting edge

You'll be eating your words and being the fool you are on the next iterations of the pro machines AND the laptops. You compare a year old design to something that has just come out!!! Well in that case, where's lightpeak? Apple will debut their new machines with technology that others haven't even thought about (apple pioneered LP to intel for development) so go play with your toys. It's funny but what you do with your computer is what's important and 9/10's of the whiners don't do anything cutting edge anyway so shut up about it. Bunch of little kids!
 
MY LIFE DEPENDS ON i5!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IF THEY DONT RELEASE IT SOON I WONT BE ABLE TO RUN LOGIC ANYMORE!!!

Seriously, shut up already. All your apps will run fine on C2D. Last time I checked Apple is still on the top in terms of design. Didn't HP just create an inferior MBP design a couple months ago?

Seriously. The average consumer doesn't care if their Quicktime movies load in 4 seconds instead of 5. They'll take Apple design and UI over a minor processor bump anytime.
 
MY LIFE DEPENDS ON i5!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IF THEY DONT RELEASE IT SOON I WONT BE ABLE TO RUN LOGIC ANYMORE!!!

Seriously, shut up already. All your apps will run fine on C2D. Last time I checked Apple is still on the top in terms of design. Didn't HP just create an inferior MBP design a couple months ago?

Seriously. The average consumer doesn't care if their Quicktime movies load in 4 seconds instead of 5. They'll take Apple design and UI over a minor processor bump anytime.

Stupid rant. What if I need i5 for WIDI. Any ideas?
 
Seriously. The average consumer doesn't care if their Quicktime movies load in 4 seconds instead of 5. They'll take Apple design and UI over a minor processor bump anytime.
That's a good point. The rule of thumb, which I first heard 25 years ago but which still seems to be accurate, is that at least a doubling of the overall speed of a computer is going to be required before there is any significantly noticeable difference in perceived performance over that of a computer that is only half as fast. Such exponential improvements usually require several, maybe many, generations of improved chips, discs, etc., to be noticeable. Just a little food for thought.
 
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