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Not surprising at all. Everyone I know in college owns a Mac. Those that don't are too stupid and not computer savy enough to understand why Mac is better.
I wouldn't go as far as to say buying a Windows machine is s bad idea. I guess new users expect some sort of Apple magic of simplicity with OS X. To the point where all Windows if not all GUI based operating system skills can be tossed out with Windows.
 
On the contrary.. Mac adoption has exploded in the UK. Hang around a wifi point near Manchester Uni and count how many Macs are in use vs. PCs.....
You also see more Macs around the two Nottingham Unis. Three or four years ago you would have been regarded as mad for buying one. A friend who's in CompSci at Nottingham tells me several of the Profs there are getting them because of the Unix underpinnings.
 
Nice, but important to realise that Windows based laptops still dominate overall.

NEWS FLASH

Apple does not compete with Microsoft. They compete with Dell, HP, Sony, etc. What's "important to realize" is that Apple is now outselling their competitors in the higher education market.

Out-selling cometitors = Important
Microsoft Software = Not relevant
 
NOT True

Nice to see the US effort is going well. Now they need to start thinking about other education markets - they are still nowhere in UK universities, last time I checked.

i am from the uk and am at university here. i am currently attending a london based university and every time i walk into my library i see a sea of white and black macbooks followed by silver macbook pros.

iam nit surprised by this latest statistics, but as a business student iam always skeptical about statistics, so we must read into them more...
 
Not surprising at all. Everyone I know in college owns a Mac. Those that don't are too stupid and not computer savy enough to understand why Mac is better.
Correction: You're too stupid and not computer saavy enough to understand why a Mac is not the best choice for everyone.
 
I am a Senior in high school, and most kids, like me, are making their future education plans. I only know ONE person who wants to get a Dell for college. One. Every single other person I know is planning on getting a Mac, or already has one. When I started high school, I was the only person I knew with a Mac.
 
People are getting tired of non-native speaking English support from India and careless Dell techs that come out and replace the broken part with another broken part.

I'm not too young to remember how the support before the massive outsourcing to India and other places was--to be kind--imbecilic. If the conversation happened to progress beyond, "Is it plugged in" and "Did you press the ON button" basically the only recourse was to send it in or bring it to a service center. I knew more than those people and I was barely 15.

Yeah the accents are of course an impediment but just wanted to say...give credit where its due...tech support has vastly improved for being in India. Now they are working on the accent issue, actually a huge part of their training is devoted to being able to pronounce English the American way. And as I've noticed, in unfortunate dealings with my parents' PCs, there has been considerable improvement over time.
 
NEWS FLASH

Apple does not compete with Microsoft. They compete with Dell, HP, Sony, etc. What's "important to realize" is that Apple is now outselling their competitors in the higher education market.

Out-selling cometitors = Important
Microsoft Software = Not relevant

MS software is definitely relevant since once you leave college and are locked into your employer's network preferences, the majority of which are some version of windows (yes yes, depends on vocation - just talking about overall trend of what computers are used in the professional world as a whole) . . . and if so, doesn't matter how loud you scream, you'll be stuck using a pc. now that you can natively run windows on an apple hardware product, that can be mitigated, justified away, but by in large, the corporate/business world will dictate the use of windows over mac os. until that changes, the sale of apple hardware, apple os will never outdo dell and company and windows.

and, what computer one uses at work is going to directly dictate what computer is used at home - still forcing the at home windows/pc purchases.
 
and, what computer one uses at work is going to directly dictate what computer is used at home - still forcing the at home windows/pc purchases.

This is only true for the people who know nothing about computers. They buy what they know because it's comfortable.

That was true for a lot of people 10 years ago. It's not so true anymore. Your thought process is a decade out of date.

These days I know a lot of people who know a lot more about computers. Even the ones who decide to buy a PC usually think about a Mac first. I know because they ask me and talk about it. Some buy Macs, and some don't, but the point is that nearly EVERYONE I know at least thinks about both before deciding.

Back in 1998 nearly no one I knew even thought about it.

Apple may not sell to everyone, but they've succeeded in making people THINK about it before they buy. That's a huge achievment for them and I see it in almost everyone I know these days.
 
I can vouch for this. At my med school, there was some interest at the start (2 years ago) in Macs. Now, almost everyone that I know who is picking up a new computer to bring to class is getting a MB or MBP. It really does keep growing: most of these people are PC users. The other thing I have noticed is that after years of trying to convince PC users to switch I don't have to do much convincing anymore. People come to me instead asking for advice on what to get.

The change in mindset is what is truly driving this, not that they are "cool" and novelty items.

I think its more than a 'change in mindset' that has revolutionized Apple, it's their new marketing, and I contribute that to the success of the iPod. Through that, it seems to me that Apple realized that they had real potential to break into the younger market, by sticking their iPod-foot in the door. Now that people have realized how 'simple' it is to use the iPod, and how fashionable it is to have one, the trend is growing.

Another thing that I think has really enabled Apple to expand itself is the fact that they now use Intel and are able to dual boot with Windows, eliminating the biggest fear that many PC converts once had (myself included). Now that people no longer have to worry if their new computer will be able to run native Windows programs, there is no longer any reason not to buy an Apple, even though it may be a little more inconvenient. Of course, the lack of buggy OS systems and the general lack of viruses is a major bonus as well.
 
I'm not too young to remember how the support before the massive outsourcing to India and other places was--to be kind--imbecilic. If the conversation happened to progress beyond, "Is it plugged in" and "Did you press the ON button" basically the only recourse was to send it in or bring it to a service center. I knew more than those people and I was barely 15.

Yeah the accents are of course an impediment but just wanted to say...give credit where its due...tech support has vastly improved for being in India. Now they are working on the accent issue, actually a huge part of their training is devoted to being able to pronounce English the American way. And as I've noticed, in unfortunate dealings with my parents' PCs, there has been considerable improvement over time.

Here's a few things scary about support from some:
 

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NEWS FLASH

Apple does not compete with Microsoft. They compete with Dell, HP, Sony, etc. What's "important to realize" is that Apple is now outselling their competitors in the higher education market.

Out-selling cometitors = Important
Microsoft Software = Not relevant

Since all Apple's competitors actually use Microsoft OS then it is pretty relevant. Really, it's not a hard concept to understand - this is a battle between OS and software usage, the brand of Apple's competitors is largely irrelevant.
 
This is certainly not bad news for Apple.

I recall when I was an undergraduate our computer labs had iMacs and they were well known to be terrible (very slow and would constantly crash if you tried to do anything.) I'm not sure if it was just that lab, but it certainly didn't engender confidence in Apple products.

It's really the iPod that has reignited my interest in Apple products and, as a graduate student, I'm considering buying a MacBook of some type after my tax return this year.
 
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If Apple is so serious about using the iPhone in an education setting, what about adding 802.1x WIFI support?!

I have no clue why they do not add that (as well as wpa enterprise, and wpa2 enterprise). I'm stuck with using edge on my iPhone because of this.
 
Macs are definately on the increase. You can feel it in the air almost (no pun intended). And it's not just in education or in America.

I work at a large Visual FX studio in London doing post production work on film and television. Although most of our workstations are Linux machines, the Mac percentage is on the increase.
People often bring in their laptops to the office and up until recently it was nothing but Dells and ThinkPads. Now you see white glowing :apple: signs everywhere as you walk the floors.
Almost on a weekly basis I'm hearing from collegues (some who were until recently berating Macs) how they are now considering getting a Mac.
Bombarding the Mac owners questions and purchasing advice, which ofcourse we gladly provide..... :D
 
A photo taken at University of Missouri back in Aug 2007. Even then it was about 60% of incoming freshmen using macs.


This particular photo made its way up to Paul Otellini at Intel who emailed it to Steve Jobs who responded, "it must be those great intel chips!"

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This is a very nice accomplishment! And it totally shows... I've been noticing more MacBooks and MacBook Pros more than ever lately here at the college.

AMEN :D And I LOVE that program they are doing to trade in crappy PCs for a real computer :) hehe. Go Apple! Lets get a program like that in the business world :cool:
 
I wouldn't go as far as to say buying a Windows machine is s bad idea. I guess new users expect some sort of Apple magic of simplicity with OS X. To the point where all Windows if not all GUI based operating system skills can be tossed out with Windows.

I know exactly what you mean. A lot of the people I know who are recent converts and aren't very computer savvy don't seem to understand that you still need to know how you use a computer to use a mac. One of the main differences with OS X and windows, however, is that with OS X, there aren't those cryptic error messages, which can be quite confusing for even someone like me who is computer savvy.
 
What I don't understand is, with all the talk and animosity towards Apple and Macs with their advertising as more secure, that no one has bothered to code a proper effective virus to infect the millions of systems already out there to prove a point. :p
Mac market share is still far too low to bother with viruses. Yes, OS X by design is much harder to infect, but people too often assume that this is the only reason there aren't OS X/Linux viruses. Once the market share for either OS goes up, expect to see more viruses.
 
This is only true for the people who know nothing about computers. They buy what they know because it's comfortable.

That was true for a lot of people 10 years ago. It's not so true anymore. Your thought process is a decade out of date.

These days I know a lot of people who know a lot more about computers. Even the ones who decide to buy a PC usually think about a Mac first. I know because they ask me and talk about it. Some buy Macs, and some don't, but the point is that nearly EVERYONE I know at least thinks about both before deciding.

Back in 1998 nearly no one I knew even thought about it.

Apple may not sell to everyone, but they've succeeded in making people THINK about it before they buy. That's a huge achievment for them and I see it in almost everyone I know these days.

to so brazenly suggest that people who buy pc's know nothing about computers shows your true fanboy colors. i still stick by my original assertion that when at work, people are forced to become comfortable with pc's . . . that's what they will more than likely buy for home. my thought process isn't a decade out of date, it still exists and i would hazard a guess that it is the major reason apple does not have 93% of the market share. your fanboy glasses are distorting that fact that you so cavalierly dismiss. but i'm sure the "lot of people" and "almost everyone you know" are a perfectly sound, non biased, true cross section of the computer buying populace of the world.

i would agree, that yes, people think more about buying a computer and that the apple brand may indeed float across the minds of the potential buyer - thanks to the imac, ipod and iphone revolution and to the millions apple spends flashing sexy products by you when you watch tv. but when they take pause and say, "well, my boss, who pays me money so i can afford my mortgage and put food on my children's plates, has decided that our company will use pc's," 93% of those people will work at least 40 hours a day on windows, probably more hours at home, and will stick with windows for the convenient reason of keeping everything the same. yes, you know "a lot of people" who think about buying macs. i also know an unspecified number of people representing approx .00000000000001% of the computer using world who went to college with me on a mac and who now work for corporation x, y and z and have switched to pc at work and pc at home. so by that logic, i'm 100% right, eh? perhaps apple users know nothing about computers because using what you are comfortable with makes life easier . . .

in the 80's apple focused on education and the arts. windows focused on business. which side started out ahead and which side eventually lost . . . big time. all i'm saying is that we shouldn't trumpet apple gaining share in the education world as being the sign from the almighty that apple will once again dominate. to learn from the past means changing/adapting what you do in the future, and until apple truly breaks into the business world, they'll still have to be happy losing 90%+ of computer sales worldwide.

too many fanboys/girls on this site with underclocked brains . . .
 
The problem I've noticed with this is that although more people are using macs, there really isn't enough competent support for new owners. The IT dept here isn't incompetent, but they were trained to support windows with only some background in specialized areas of the mac, like wireless networking.... They don't seem to know about simple things like fsck or permissions repair etc.
 
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