Other Apple is slowing down older iPhones based on battery wear level [MERGED]

[I7guy]

My suggestion is to not respond to I7Guy in this thread until he posts what many have asked. He keeps quoting his example as proof that what people are reporting are false, while not showing the proof of his speed tests.

Act3 has actually posted useful information, including his CPU test history showing a drastic improvement one day out of the blue. His explication is he had the battery replaced. Other's have posted similar results. I'm inclined to believe Act3 and others, including the accounts on Reddit. I personally think Apple has been effectively doing this for years by not optimizing iOS for older devices (until X.3 or so). By doing this, and taking almost a year to speed up older devices, they conveniently increase sales.

Until we see actual proof from the naysayers (the same proof they have asked for, then deny while not showing their own proof), they are just simply here to show their blinding love for Apple products.

There is a lot of exercise in this thread leaping to conclusions. The assertion: some people appear to be reporting low geek bench scores. Some people’s conclusions: planned obsolescence or Apple cover-up.

Since I’m in the universe of those alleged to be affected, I can say with certainty my 6s wasn’t affected.

Whether that’s a data point on your radar is your own opinion. However it sure would be refreshing to discuss the “problem” and even determine if there is one instead of the nefarious conclusion.

 

[147798]

Updating my story, FWIW (maybe nothing)

I had an iP6 on iOS9 running fine, and an iP6 on iOS 10 (and then upgraded to 11 as part of Apple's trouble shooting process) that was dogged.

Since finding out about this issue, I replaced the battery (was at 82% and around 480 cycles) and the phone is humming along now.

Before all this, I didn't know about Low Power mode, and here's the funny part --

My new battery in my iPhone 6 running in low power mode is carrying me the whole day and is performing BETTER than the same phone with the old battery with the throttled CPU on "normal power" mode. I am sure Low Power mode is bringing down other system demands so that it can run in the CPU allotted it. The telling part is that the DasherX performance tests done on old battery/full power mode were pretty much the same as the new battery/low power mode (around 800 MHz). It seems Apple's throttling of the CPU might only be throttling the CPU, while leaving other system demands in tact. Just a theory.

What I DIDN'T test was, how was my old battery running if I put the phone into low power mode.

My Conclusion (YMMV) -- if you have an iPhone 6 that is performing poorly (forget the various tests -- is the performance poor? That's all that matters), then changing the battery seems to be a possible fix, but before you do that, try testing it on low power mode. It's worth exploring before ponying up the cash for the new battery, though it does mean you would then ALWAYS be in low power mode until you replace the battery.

Good luck, and pardon me while I unsubscribe from this thread of conspiracy theorists and Apple apologists lol. No disrespect, just not my cup of tea.

As always -- this is one user's experience. YMMV

 

[Hal~9000]

Does anyone know if this sabotage scam affects the 7, 8, or X?

I know the reddit guy theorized about it not affecting them due to a 5th low power core on the A10/A11 devices... but has anyone actually tested this theory?

 

[nekit]

Not sure if this has been talked about on this thread, but thought some might find it of interest. I replaced the battery in my iPhone 6 on iOS 11 a couple weeks ago with with a eBay replacement that had good eBay ratings. After installing the new battery my speeds went way down on Geekbench 4, 800 single/1700 multi core. I could plug the old battery right back in and get normal speeds 1500/2600. They sent me a another battery and same experience. I then purchase a more expensive Senitech battery and it works fine. The cheaper battery had good battery life, just experienced slow processor speed. Apple must have slowed it down for some reason.

 

[v1597psh]

Today I’ve proven myself a controversy that iOS throttles down performance of your device when Battery dies. CPU in my iPhone SE couldn’t go above 900MHz for the past month. So I decided to replace battery and everything is back to normal. iPhone SE is very snappy on iOS 11.2 now!
Old Battery:

New Battery:

 

[Jmausmuc]

Today I’ve proven myself a controversy that iOS throttles down performance of your device when Battery dies. CPU in my iPhone SE couldn’t go above 900MHz for the past month. So I decided to replace battery and everything is back to normal. iPhone SE is very snappy on iOS 11.2 now!
Old Battery:
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New Battery:
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With more and more people reporting the same experience on this thread, I am really hoping that we will get some clarification about this issue soon. My 6S is also mich slower than the normal Geekbench score and I really want to know what is up, because this device is only a little more than a year old and is reporting less than half the normal score - slower than my 6.

 

[chillip]

Seeing lots of proof about ios throttling cpu, whether is due to battery age or level of charge dropping below a certain level. Bad Apple!

 

[ilampros]

This was Apple announcement(November 2016) :
Apple has determined that a very small number of iPhone 6s devices may unexpectedly shut down. This is not a safety issue and only affects devices within a limited serial number range that were manufactured between September and October 2015.If you have experienced this issue, please use the serial number checker below to see if your iPhone 6s is eligible for a battery replacement, free of charge.

So why the update affects the CPU of all iphones 6, 6s, 7, SE ? It's obvious that they did it on purpose.

Also October all the big Media post a research of Future Mark which says : Futuremark collected more than 100,000 benchmarking tests, from the iPhone 5S to the iPhone 7, and averaged the performance of both the processor (CPU) and the graphics chip (GPU) once a month between April 2016 and September 2017 with different versions of Apple’s software from iOS 9 to iOS 11. That was lie probably.
But now neither one popular media post anything about that issue.

 

[newellj]

Not sure if this has been talked about on this thread, but thought some might find it of interest. I replaced the battery in my iPhone 6 on iOS 11 a couple weeks ago with with a eBay replacement that had good eBay ratings. After installing the new battery my speeds went way down on Geekbench 4, 800 single/1700 multi core. I could plug the old battery right back in and get normal speeds 1500/2600. They sent me a another battery and same experience. I then purchase a more expensive Senitech battery and it works fine. The cheaper battery had good battery life, just experienced slow processor speed. Apple must have slowed it down for some reason.

Thank you - this confirms what I and others have posted here: not all replacement batteries are created equal.

 

[rui no onna]

Does anyone know if this sabotage scam affects the 7, 8, or X?

I know the reddit guy theorized about it not affecting them due to a 5th low power core on the A10/A11 devices... but has anyone actually tested this theory?

I expect battery is still too new so performance degradation as a result of poor batteries isn't readily apparent. I got my iPhone 7 upon release and according to the Battery Life app, capacity is at 97% (1900/1960 mAh).

What do they even mean by 5th low power core?

A10 Fusion
2x High Performance
2x High Efficiency (Low Power)

A11 Bionic
2x High Performance
4x High Efficiency (Low Power)

Quite frankly, I expect the A10 and A11 would be running on the low power cores majority of the time with the high performance cores only kicking in during demanding tasks (e.g. running benchmarks).

 

[Radon87000]

Not everybody believes this. This is why clinical trials are run the way they are. Date bug bad example I wasn’t affected, but that was a real bug unlike this, which is pure conjecture combined with hyperbole.

Both are issues. One is catastrophic. One is an annoyance. Both were anecdotal as not everyone has an issue. But Apppe still flind it significant enough to push an update out on the weekends.

Don’t know what apple will do if anything. IMO, if people stopped with the nefarious intentions direction these threads would be more productive.

If there is no malice’s involved, refund the money to those who paid to fix this and give a replacement 6s to those who are having unnaturally low benchmark scores which would also translate into real world usage. This customers have paid the same amount of money as those with perfect units and they should enjoy similar performance. Apple should accept full responsibility for this.
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This was Apple announcement(November 2016) :
Apple has determined that a very small number of iPhone 6s devices may unexpectedly shut down. This is not a safety issue and only affects devices within a limited serial number range that were manufactured between September and October 2015.If you have experienced this issue, please use the serial number checker below to see if your iPhone 6s is eligible for a battery replacement, free of charge.

So why the update affects the CPU of all iphones 6, 6s, 7, SE ? It's obvious that they did it on purpose.

Also October all the big Media post a research of Future Mark which says : Futuremark collected more than 100,000 benchmarking tests, from the iPhone 5S to the iPhone 7, and averaged the performance of both the processor (CPU) and the graphics chip (GPU) once a month between April 2016 and September 2017 with different versions of Apple’s software from iOS 9 to iOS 11. That was lie probably.
But now neither one popular media post anything about that issue.

It was obvious that report was a paid report to fool the general public as accusations of planned obsolescence increased when ios 11 launched. . It didn’t disprove anything about planned obsolescence.
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Today I’ve proven myself a controversy that iOS throttles down performance of your device when Battery dies. CPU in my iPhone SE couldn’t go above 900MHz for the past month. So I decided to replace battery and everything is back to normal. iPhone SE is very snappy on iOS 11.2 now!
Old Battery:
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New Battery:
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I also saw a similar screenshot for iPhone 7 on Reddit. Thank God my 7 Plus is unaffected.

 

[I7guy]

Both are issues. One is catastrophic. One is an annoyance. Both were anecdotal as not everyone has an issue. But Apppe still flind it significant enough to push an update out on the weekends.



If there is no malice’s involved, refund the money to those who paid to fix this and give a replacement 6s to those who are having unnaturally low benchmark scores which would also translate into real world usage. This customers have paid the same amount of money as those with perfect units and they should enjoy similar performance. Apple should accept full responsibility for this.

One is an issue. The other not sure of what it is. Pushing an update out over the weekend isn’t significant about anything Except it needed to be pushed out.

Not sure what Apple should accept responsibility for in the global sense, they did with my 6s. I’m happy with the support received.

 

[Radon87000]

My suggestion is to not respond to I7Guy in this thread until he posts what many have asked. He keeps quoting his example as proof that what people are reporting are false, while not showing the proof of his speed tests.

Act3 has actually posted useful information, including his CPU test history showing a drastic improvement one day out of the blue. His explication is he had the battery replaced. Other's have posted similar results. I'm inclined to believe Act3 and others, including the accounts on Reddit. I personally think Apple has been effectively doing this for years by not optimizing iOS for older devices (until X.3 or so). By doing this, and taking almost a year to speed up older devices, they conveniently increase sales.

Until we see actual proof from the naysayers (the same proof they have asked for, then deny while not showing their own proof), they are just simply here to show their blinding love for Apple products.

Yup. This whole incident has just cemented my belief that Apple doesn't give a damn about older products. Just look how silent Apple is on this. If this were the X we would have heard a statement by now.

 

[hamiltonDSi]

That should have been a free swap with Apple. They say normal battery level after 2 years is about 80%. I’m pretty sure it would be covered even out of warranty.

I live in Romania and here the warranty is 2 years (yep, a full 24 months)
So that phone was still under warranty....
I informed the new owner about the issue and I strongly suggested him that he should swap the device b/c the warranty will expire in 30 days.

But like I said, the battery wasn't the only factor that pursued me to upgrade so thats why I did not bother with this.

 

[giggles]

Apple now does diagnostics over the phone/chat session. They perform the test and the information gets sent directly to them. When was the last time you had them replace your battery?

Actually years ago, so I stand corrected.
Well that sucks. Maybe somebody abused it to have a fresh battery like 2 days before the end of warranty. And now we paying battery swappers can’t have nice things, because it’s not like they can run diagnostic only for under warranty free replacements, it would look weird.

edit: by the way the iphone 6 i’m gonna phone apple about next week literally has the “Battery may need replacing” warning under Settings>Battery...so they’ll probably replace it, for a nice out of warranty quid of course..

 

[wacky4alanis]

We took my wife's 6S+ to an Apple Store in New Hampshire, and they ran their diagnostics and said the battery was fine. It kept giving her problems (phone shutting off prematurely, lousy battery life, etc...), so we took it into another Apple Store when we were on vacation in Montreal. They ran the same diagnostic and also said that it passed, but were still more than willing to take our money and replace the battery. The phone has been working great ever since (this was back in April). So.... I personally think their battery diagnostics are a bunch of BS. They would rather you buy a new phone, so their diagnostics are programmed to pass lousy batteries.

 

[JT2002TJ]

I just ran a Geekbench test and Battery Life test on my 6+ I've had since release day. I'm not sure I'm going to spend the money to replace the battery as I only use this phone as a GPS for my motorcycle in the summers. It is always connected to a lightning cable when I ride.

 

[WSPAN1C]

We took my wife's 6S+ to an Apple Store in New Hampshire, and they ran their diagnostics and said the battery was fine. It kept giving her problems (phone shutting off prematurely, lousy battery life, etc...), so we took it into another Apple Store when we were on vacation in Montreal. They ran the same diagnostic and also said that it passed, but were still more than willing to take our money and replace the battery. The phone has been working great ever since (this was back in April). So.... I personally think their battery diagnostics are a bunch of BS. They would rather you buy a new phone, so their diagnostics are programmed to pass lousy batteries.

I had the same experience with my 6+. Apple said it was software issues. Replaced the battery and the problem was resolved.

 

[chillip]

How much is a new battery for an iPhone 7 at Apple store?

 

[Jmausmuc]

I just ran a Geekbench test and Battery Life test on my 6+ I've had since release day. I'm not sure I'm going to spend the money to replace the battery as I only use this phone as a GPS for my motorcycle in the summers. It is always connected to a lightning cable when I ride.

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Almost triple digits...

 

[newellj]

How much is a new battery for an iPhone 7 at Apple store?

I think people were reporting $80.

 

[I7guy]

Yup. This whole incident has just cemented my belief that Apple doesn't give a damn about older products. Just look how silent Apple is on this. If this were the X we would have heard a statement by now.

They’ve had a page on their website about the 6s for over a year. Not really so silent. At the end of the day we all are gonna think what we all are gonna think.

 

[HankHowdy]

Would this effect an iPad Mini 2 on iOS 9.3.3?

 

[Applejuiced]

So.... I personally think their battery diagnostics are a bunch of BS. They would rather you buy a new phone, so their diagnostics are programmed to pass lousy batteries.

Bingo.
That's pretty much what I and many others experienced also.
The battery will be dead and won't hold charge and they will tell you it's fine and within specs and won't even let you pay to have it replaced.
Why would they? They want you to buy a new device instead.

 

[Colonel Panik]

For those using CPU DasherX. I would open and close the app a few times to check your cpu speed. It reports the speed at the time not the max speed. Either that or my iPhone X is wonky as when i last looked it was showing it as 2064mhz and i'm not in LPM.

The text in CPU DasherX is almost all Chinese for me (literally Chinese characters). Not sure why or how. Is the version on the Irish store different to the US store? Now that we don't have the iTunes connection, we can't tell version numbers...