It starts throttling once you get below 10%.I just ran mine again at 40% and here is my benchmark for iPhone 7.
My iPhone 7 Plus(no low power mode)
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My iPhone 7 Plus(no low power mode)
Throttling below 10% is fine IMO.It starts throttling once you get below 10%.
My iPhone 7 Plus(no low power mode)
Is anyone in this thread who is doing GB tests handy with dissecting their iPhone 6?
I’m an auto technician and see many electrical hiccups get corrected by simply unplugging/ disconnecting the cars battery cables for a few minutes, then re installing them. That’s it! Some manufacturers I’ve worked on even have service bulletins statins to do this and just this to correct an issue.
So if anyone is handy at getting down to their battery, first run the GB test on your phone a few times oa get an average. Then unplug the battery for 30 minutes. Plug it back in and power up the phone, run the same GB tests to get an average to compare.
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I’m an auto technician and see many electrical hiccups get corrected by simply unplugging/ disconnecting the cars battery cables for a few minutes, then re installing them. That’s it! Some manufacturers I’ve worked on even have service bulletins statins to do this and just this to correct an issue.
So if anyone is handy at getting down to their battery, first run the GB test on your phone a few times oa get an average. Then unplug the battery for 30 minutes. Plug it back in and power up the phone, run the same GB tests to get an average to compare.
Brad
Battery charged to 85%
So your phone is showing the same problem the 6s does except not as bad. Can you check your battery wear through Coconut Battery and report back the wear level?
They do fluctuate for me but never more then 100 to 200 points except of course when the battery goes below 10%
Planned = Code written, it didn't magically program itself to slow down the CPU
Malicious Intent, where does the quote "This is in your face planned obsolescence!" state it was planned with malicious intent?
Yeah, beat me to it. At 10%, anything the phone can do to prolong battery life is OK with me, short of shutting down. Really, that's just not an issue. Or to borrow a phrase, it's not a bug, it's a feature.
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The two phones I'm checking, a regular 7 and a X, are both stable within a relatively narrow band.
Random thought - have you done a true reset (what we used to call the two-button reset) recently? Sometimes these things just need to have all the crud blown out of the system.
Planned obsolescence is the intentional conspiracy to outdate something artificially for basically no other reason than to essentially force consumers to purchase newer devices. Are you saying that that is something that wouldn't be malicious in the eyes of the consumers, and wouldn't be intentional?
And seeing a correlation between battery and performance on it's own doesn't show that it is planned or what the reasons for it all might actually be if it is planned on some level. It could certainly be, but simply observing the effects doesn't provide that information. Conjectures can be made, but that's essentially it.
I think that should be something that the courts should decide.
If the slow down was not done malicious or intentional then why would they hide it and never mention or respond about it?
People in general dont test their phones battery or their processor speeds to see the correlation between those 2 things and come to conclusion that "damn my phone is so slow but I just need to replace my battery, not buy a new phone in order to bring it up to the original specs and performance "
Throttling below 20% or even 30% would be fine with me. At 20% the lower power notice gets displayed anyway.
Some of The 6s/7/6 are getting throttled the moment they are off the charger.
One can certainly try to get a certified class action lawsuit going, but it will be years before there is a verdict.I think that should be something that the courts should decide.
If the slow down was not done malicious or intentional then why would they hide it and never mention or respond about it?
People in general dont test their phones battery or their processor speeds to see the correlation between those 2 things and come to conclusion that "damn my phone is so slow but I just need to replace my battery, not buy a new phone in order to bring it up to the original specs and performance "
I dont think Apple is hiding anything as radon said this behavior existed for a while since iOS 10.2.1.
Also the universe is unknown; if it can even be determined.
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Assuming the reporting is correct.
I think companies should be held accountable one way or another. Weather that takes many years and whatever the payout they are forced to concede to doesn't really make a difference.
The end result would be to expose such practices if malicious and if not done with a malicious intent then force them to be transparent and open to the consumer so the buyer has the choice and option to do something about it.
Yes this is what we are doing and for this and that reason. Your battery is degraded past a certain level and thus your devices performance will be decreased up to a certain percent.
Just tell me about it so I have the choice to either live with it or get a new battery for my older device so I do not experience such slowdowns.
Even thought I see you keep defending Apple and many of your posts about the universe and other things you post denying this dont make any sense and make you look bad in this thread I would like to think that you also agree that whatever practice Apple follows being transparent going forward would be a good thing.
You wouldn't enjoy your device if at some point it slows down to a crawl while you have no idea how and why it has become a drag and its now unbearable to use.
Do you spend $800-1300 to buy a new iPhone or spend a fraction of that to replace the battery and stick with your older device?
That should be your choice and not Apples
Apple doesn't mention a lot of things, even some really basic things like amount of RAM in iPhones, for example. Not providing information about everything isn't an indicator of anything in particular on its own. Furthermore, if it is actually not something specifically intentional, or not in the way that actually appears to be, then there might very well not be any particular information to provide as they might be looking into it.I think that should be something that the courts should decide.
If the slow down was not done malicious or intentional then why would they hide it and never mention or respond about it?
People in general dont test their phones battery or their processor speeds to see the correlation between those 2 things and come to conclusion that "damn my phone is so slow but I just need to replace my battery, not buy a new phone in order to bring it up to the original specs and performance "
I'm not specifically saying that's the case or something else is the case, just that what's been discussed so far doesn't provide enough information that can only be interpreted one specific way conclusively showing it's all just that and nothing else. There are definitely conjectures that can and have been put out there, but they are still just conjectures.
This is very different than advertising the amount of ram or other hardware things. Those specs come out in the public as soon as the new device goes out on sale anyway.
This is an anti-trust issue and if software intentionally throttles devices performance for whatever reason behind it then this is a big issue.
And once the public trust is gone then that's not a good thing for any company out there
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There's that "if" (and there are more of those too), which is basically the aspect of it all that I've been commenting on.This is very different than advertising the amount of ram or other hardware things. Those come out in the public as soon as the new device goes out in the public.
This is an anti-trust issue and if software intentionally throttles devices performance for whatever reason behind it its a big issue.
And once the public trust is gone then that's not a good thing for any company out there
Yes, that's why I think there should be an investigation and legal proceedings on it.
If that has been going and for how many years and on what devices? How much did it cost consumers and how many billions of dollars in increased revenue did it generate for Apple?
There's a lot of if's and many things that we do not know still but I think it would be a good thing for the consumers if it starts getting unraveled eventually
They did mention that the A9 is 70% faster than the A8. My 6s was actually benching as slow as a 5S (A7) earlier this week before I changed battery.
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2015/09/09Apple-Introduces-iPhone-6s-iPhone-6s-Plus/
Advanced Technology
A9, Apple’s third-generation 64-bit chip powers these innovations with 70 percent faster CPU and 90 percent faster GPU performance than the A8, all with gains in energy efficiency for great battery life. The A9 chip and iOS 9 are architected together for optimal performance where it matters most, in real world usage. M9, Apple’s next-generation motion coprocessor, is embedded into A9, allowing more features to run all the time at lower power, including “Hey Siri,” without iPhone needing to be plugged in.
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It’s pretty clear this was done to avoid initiating a recall for defective batteries. Not sure why you think we don’t know why this was done. It’s crystal clear. Apple did not want to spend money solving battery problems on older iPhones and came up with throttling as a patch up solution.
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Apple was hiding it because the ingenuity of their plan is that no one would be able to tell battery wear and slowdown were related. A user stumbled on it by accident and now they have no response left to give hence the silence.
Conjectures are still conjectures. Having more belief in them doesn't change that.
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And under the specific benchmarking conditions it very likely is that. Just like all types of benchmarking basically happens when it comes to marketing and product materials essentially for any company/product. None of that really shows or says anything about what's really behind what's being observed or what the reasons might be for it (if there are any particular ones).
Yes, that's why I think there should be an investigation and legal proceedings on it.
If that has been going and for how many years and on what devices? How much did it cost consumers and how many billions of dollars in increased revenue did it generate for Apple?
There's a lot of if's and many things that we do not know still but I think it would be a good thing for the consumers if it starts getting unraveled eventually
Especially in today's governmental environment, it's essentially certain that the only way this gets resolved is through private litigation. It needs a lot more than a reddit thread or two, though. Someone would have to sponsor some thorough, scientific testing. Given the number of phones potentially involved (even if it's just the 6S models, but especially if others are affected as well), there probably is enough money potentially at the end of the process to make that investment worthwhile.