my iphone 6 battery was down to 65% after 350 cycles.One more thing I have observed I think the batteries on the iPhone 6/6s just aren't good quality in general. I don't use my iPhone 6 all that much. I paid for a new battery on my 6 just a few months ago and its already at 94% health while my 7 Plus is at 98% after over 200 charge cycles. I think a lot of batteries are just defective. Note I am not using the phone all that much and I think the wear is too high
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Whatever dude - you obviously missed any of the valid points in my post to latch onto the one thing I said that can be a straw man argument, and in fact committed the same sin yourself by ignoring my real argument.
That's actually all your doing in this thread. Defending apples shady practices, making excuses and acting like the issue doesn't exist.
You stick your head in the sand and your claiming that your phone is fine therefore everyone else's should be the same and you provide no facts to show your results and at the same time disbelieve other posters proof with valid posted tests.
Just adding my experience and benchmarks to the thread - and say thanks for bringing it to my attention.
My IPhone 6S - was ok on IOS 10 but 11.1.1 brought the phone to a crawl
- I suspect it was at this point my cpu was throttled.
Battery was still ok - lasting the day, sometimes more - but phone was slow.
I did a full DFU reformat and reinstall from scratch (not restore) - didnt help.
I put it down to OS bloat and was planning reluctantly to upgrade to IPhone8...(yeah not X - Id miss the fingerprint scanner)
On reading this forum last night - I ran benchmarks...
Geekbench 4: 1054sc/1770mc (high power mode) (sorry, didnt run in low power mode)
CPUDasherX: 600Mhz when charged (& same 600Mhz in low power mode)
Battery replaced this morning (free from Apple
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and same phone after battery change...
Geekbench 4: 2544sc/4433mc (& 1462/2485 low power)
CPUDasherX: 1848Mhz (& 911Mhz in low power mode)
And its like new again...
I have screenshots.. but above is whats on them.
Notes and terminology from Apple:
* Apple Support call said their diagnostic software flagged the battery as "Consumed"
* Apple repair center said it had 416 recharge cycles - so not that many but within the 400 to 600 they expected for a 6S.
My IPhone 6S - was ok on IOS 10 but 11.1.1 brought the phone to a crawl
- I suspect it was at this point my cpu was throttled.
Battery was still ok - lasting the day, sometimes more - but phone was slow.
I did a full DFU reformat and reinstall from scratch (not restore) - didnt help.
I put it down to OS bloat and was planning reluctantly to upgrade to IPhone8...(yeah not X - Id miss the fingerprint scanner)
On reading this forum last night - I ran benchmarks...
Geekbench 4: 1054sc/1770mc (high power mode) (sorry, didnt run in low power mode)
CPUDasherX: 600Mhz when charged (& same 600Mhz in low power mode)
Battery replaced this morning (free from Apple
) and same phone after battery change...
Geekbench 4: 2544sc/4433mc (& 1462/2485 low power)
CPUDasherX: 1848Mhz (& 911Mhz in low power mode)
And its like new again...
I have screenshots.. but above is whats on them.
Notes and terminology from Apple:
* Apple Support call said their diagnostic software flagged the battery as "Consumed"
* Apple repair center said it had 416 recharge cycles - so not that many but within the 400 to 600 they expected for a 6S.
Issues exist all over the place. I'm not the only one questioning a lot of what is been said as far as leaping to conclusions of nefariousness. So be it on your opinion of my opinion, however, that's what we do here at MacRumors discussion board. Discuss.
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I don't disagree there is some power management going on. What I disagree about is there is some nefarious reasoning behind it all and perhaps Apple has been monitoring battery life and cpu draw and has been tweaking things. Maybe they are getting ready for a quality program to cover additional items, I don't know. If it were me, I wouldn't care. I would want my phone to last as long as possible.
My 6s battery was replace without cost to me, so I'm happy and I clearly experienced the 50 to 10 drain as genius said they observed it. But my phone did not act in the manner as some are suggesting, so clearly there is a bit more at play here. People say their phone "is like new again". The only thing like new on my 6s is the battery drain is gone. Performance hasn't changed.
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Oh - another random tidbit of related information -
After Apple support ran the battery diagnostic remotely and the support call had ended - I was left with some information on my screen as they didn't exit it properly - not much - but I tried to screen cap it anyway as I couldn't exit the app - and It wouldnt let me take a screenshot. Made some weird beep-beep noise.
There was no way to exit the app fully - I had reboot the device. No biggie - But I just find it amusing they can block you taking screenshots when they don't want you to...
After Apple support ran the battery diagnostic remotely and the support call had ended - I was left with some information on my screen as they didn't exit it properly - not much - but I tried to screen cap it anyway as I couldn't exit the app - and It wouldnt let me take a screenshot. Made some weird beep-beep noise.
There was no way to exit the app fully - I had reboot the device. No biggie - But I just find it amusing they can block you taking screenshots when they don't want you to...
If it smells, it's probably rotten inside.
It's not a straw man argument. It's fair for people to draw conclusion based on the smell. And yes, it does smell stinky.
It's fair to draw conclusions, as long as it's accepted that that's what's happening, that they are conjectures basically (like that "probably" demonstrates).
Well I can confirm - phone was about to be recycled it was so slow - always - got battery replaced today - and its like new again. I've no reason to post fake news - been using Apple products for years.
I'm ok with cpu throttling to save battery life - thats what low power mode is - and I have the option to turn it off.
But this is different - its a secret, semi-permanent, even lower speed mode, to hide battery failure.
Plus - why does a phone not make available 100% of the CPU capacity again when powered from usb and not battery?
D@mn good point.
Stop making good points and asking valid questions.
Some don't like that here.
Apple is god and Apple don't do anything wrong. It's all a new secret feature and done for your own benefit.
We should all be greatfull and thanking them for taking our money
iPhone displays this message automatically for a worn out battery.
Curiously this message is not displayed for those whose phones are throttling.
It’s not happening like that though. People have been charged and some customers have had to insist on getting the battery replaced on their own money because the battery was passing Apple’s diags.
I remember we were arguing this on Samsung vs Apple a few years ago. When it was said the CPU inside the Samsung was throttling to prevent excess heat from damaging the phone while the Apple CPU was running at full speed throughout, it was said “What good is a Ferrari if it stalls to Civic speeds in the in the middle of a race course because it’s engine is overheating.”
In this case what good is a Ferrari if it stalls to civic speeds in the middle of a race course to prevent the engine from shutting down.
All of a sudden throttling is considered good design.
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You can bet we will draw our conclusions when Apple charges us money for cost control on their sub par third grade quality batteries.
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It’s advanced power management. It’s so advanced that it manages to turn an A9 into an A8 without even warning the user!This stuff iOS does is so advanced even Android can’t do it!Stop making good points and asking valid questions.
Some don't like that here.
Apple is god and Apple don't do anything wrong. It's all a new secret feature and done for your own benefit.
We should all be greatfull and thanking them for taking our money
If your battery is worn out it’s not because of a defective battery used by Apple but the fact that you abused your battery. You were using it wrong!
Apple should put a clause on their website which states that the A11 Bionic will retain performance only for 2 years after which it will slow down to A10 speeds
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As I said the batteries on the 6s and 6 are low quality. Mine deteriorated to the 70s in just 2 years which is when I was using my phone with an iPad charger. Now looking at this accelerated wear on my second battery seems it’s not the fault of the charger but the battery quality itself is subpar.
A complete waste of a 100 bucks. I could have gotten a Evil Within 2 PC game which would have been a better use of funds.
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Curiously my 6s, which was not throttled, because performance was fine, just exhibited battery drain, did not display the message. So I should have seen the message, right? Or possibly there was something else going on and the battery wasn't at the end of it's useful service, just didn't hold a charge very well and IOS couldn't detect. But that doesn't explain why throttling didn't occur.
My 6 displayed the message which is how I knew battery needed an urgent replacement. The wear Level was much below 80 on my phone. Perhaps your battery wasn’t that bad which is why the message wasn’t displayed.
You have no proof that your phone didn’t throttle. If you had managed to run a Geekbench prior to replacement you would have known. There are people in this thread itself who didn’t notice a slowdown until running geekbench. Some people like me catch the slowdown instantly while some dont notice it at all
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Run a geekbench and find out.
People have been "complaining" their phones ran like molasses; seems like it's easy for the owner feel the difference in performance. My performance was just fine and no change, snappy as ever. But let me ask, if you don't accept that, why should anyone on this forum accept what you post? Especially since the videos posted did not line up with the narrative. Can't be both ways.
That's all good and well, and people can certainly draw conclusions based on it all. It doesn't change that those are still conjectures. Does it somehow threaten something to face that? It doesn't change the conclusions you draw or how much you believe in them.
Because many people posted proof with test results. Battery charts and CPU performance.
And all you have posted is nothing but your opinion that everything is great and what we're saying doesn't exist.
Who should we believe and accept? Let me think about it some more
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They're not just "conjestures"
There's irrefutable evidence that can be duplicated and proof with battery scores and cpu performance charts.
That kind of evidence and being able to reproduce it would be enough in a court of law to uphold a ruling.
Obviously not here at McRumors cause whatever Apple does or does not do is holly and any claims or wrongdoing is "conjestures"....
When we were debating that futurenark report in the other thread and trying to explain to you that the phone benched the same phone yet felt slow you kept insisting the benchmarks showed the phone wasn’t slowed. Now that the benchmarks show some phones are slowed you are reverting to real world usage.
The videos didn’t lineup with the narrative in your eyes. In my eyes in that video I can clearly see the delay. Hence in this case I asked for benchmarks so as to eliminate subjectivity out of the equation but you don’t have them.
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He is changing his tune in this thread because he knows the benchmarks no longer support his view. Funnily enough in another thread we were trying to convince him real world usage made the phones feel slow and it was benchmarking the same for years and he was admanant that benching the same meant there is no planned obsolescence and real world usage can’t be measured. His own posts now go against his posts in this thread.Because many people posted proof with test results. Battery charts and CPU performance.
And all you have posted is nothing but your opinion that everything is great and what we're saying doesn't exist.
Who should we believe and accept? Let me think about it some more
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My 5s began running slowly so I upgraded to an iPhone X. I no longer possess the 5s. I chalked up issues to iOS upgrades straining the phone but this topic has me wondering if it was something else.
It’s quite possible and it’s also possible you are not the only one who upgraded without knowledge of this.
Apple has to come out with an official statement on this otherwise this has confirmed planned obsolescence
Of course the reasoning and intentions behind it all would be conjectures unless someone here has actual word from Apple about it that explains their reasoning or has access to some sort of documentation or something similar that explains the reasoning. We aren't talking about what people are seeing happen, we are talking about the reasoning and intentions behind it. How does facing that something is a conjecture defend or attack anything? Seems like people are so set on pigeonholing people as either for or against, they aren't even really paying attention to what is actually being discussed. (I also have no idea what the whole "conjestures" thing is about.)Because many people posted proof with test results. Battery charts and CPU performance.
And all you have posted is nothing but your opinion that everything is great and what we're saying doesn't exist.
Who should we believe and accept? Let me think about it some more
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They're not just "conjestures"
There's irrefutable evidence that can be duplicated and proof with battery scores and cpu performance charts.
That kind of evidence and being able to reproduce it would be enough in a court of law to uphold a ruling.
Obviously not here at McRumors cause whatever Apple does or does not do is holly and any claims or wrongdoing is "conjestures"....
That would be their side of the story.
And from what we're seeing they dont want to comment on it so they would have to be forced to give info and details on the how, when, why, how much and many other questions.
But them avoiding talking about it for so long only makes it look even more shady IMO.
Except that's not how confirmations work. (And it would be rather poor planned obsolescence since not doing anything and just having batteries run out quicker on people would be a much better way to make something obsolete and get people to want to purchase a new device.)
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That's all fair to say, but it doesn't prove or confirm anything one way or another. It can certainly add fuel to one theory or another and make it seem more probable perhaps but that's it. None of that defends or attacks Apple or anyone else in any way, it's just simply what it is.