Other Apple is slowing down older iPhones based on battery wear level [MERGED]

[Radon87000]

Except that's not how confirmations work. (And it would be rather poor planned obsolescence since not doing anything and just having batteries run out quicker on people would be a much better way to make something obsolete and get people to want to purchase a new device.)
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That's all fair to say, but it doesn't prove or confirm anything one way or another. It can certainly add fuel to one theory or another and make it seem more probable perhaps but that's it. None of that defends or attacks Apple or anyone else in any way, it's just simply what it is.

Can you please explain how a battery with 91% wear is so impaired that it can’t last a whole day without throttling? A wear of 9% means you have lost half an hour of usage permanently. Certainly nowhere close to CPU running at half power being merited.

If the phone started running out in half a day people would come to the store and demand answers and Apple doesn’t want that.

 

[Applejuiced]

Except that's not how confirmations work. (And it would be rather poor planned obsolescence since not doing anything and just having batteries run out quicker on people would be a much better way to make something obsolete and get people to want to purchase a new device.)
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That's all fair to say, but it doesn't prove or confirm anything one way or another. It can certainly add fuel to one theory or another and make it seem more probable perhaps but that's it. None of that defends or attacks Apple or anyone else in any way, it's just simply what it is.

That is false.
If the battery dies quick people will either have to charge it more often and they'll know they just need a new battery.
Just like everything else that uses batteries we can tell fairly easy that it ran out of battery power and the battery doesnt hold much charge any more.
When they slow down the device to a crawl by more than 50% when the battery degrades people do not put 2 and 2 together to think that their device turned into a turtle and they just need a battery replacement to bring it up to full CPU performance like before. Instead they are forcing our hand to buy a new device.
We said that hundreds of times already in this thread but doesn't seem like its sinking in or some dont want to understand it
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Can you please explain how a battery with 91% wear is so impaired that it can’t last a whole day without throttling? A wear of 9% means you have lost half an hour of usage permanently. Certainly nowhere close to CPU running at half power being merited.

If the phone started running out in half a day people would come to the store and demand answers and Apple doesn’t want that.

Leave it up to Apple.
They will eventually have the CPU throttling set up down the road based on date of purchase.
This way we cant figure out the correlation and after a year it will start to slow down. Just in time when the next iPhone is ready to come out. lol

 

[C DM]

Can you please explain how a battery with 91% wear is so impaired that it can’t last a whole day without throttling? A wear of 9% means you have lost half an hour of usage permanently. Certainly nowhere close to CPU running at half power being merited.

If the phone started running out in half a day people would come to the store and demand answers and Apple doesn’t want that.

So it's not just planned obsolescence but it's obfuscated to top it off--a conpiracy within a conspiracy. Conpriracy inception certainly makes it come off as that much more realistic...or at least exciting, which is usually more than enough to get people swept up.

 

[Applejuiced]

So it's not just planned obsolescence but it's obfuscated to top it off--a conpiracy within a conspiracy. Conpriracy inception certainly makes it come off as that much more realistic...or at least exciting, which is usually more than enough to get people swept up.

I bet that has been going on for many years and not just now with the iphone 6 and 6S batteries.
Many where complaining that their devices slowed down intentionally with iOS updates.
All that is software based to slow down the processor and give more of an incentive for people to upgrade to the newer iphone.
I bet if they look deep enough they will find many more skeletons in the closet....

 

[C DM]

That is false.
If the battery dies quick people will either have to charge it more often and they'll know they just need a new battery.
Just like everything else that uses batteries we can tell fairly easy that it ran out of battery power and the battery doesnt hold much charge any more.
When they slow down the device to a crawl by more than 50% when the battery degrades people do not put 2 and 2 together to think that their device turned into a turtle and they just need a battery replacement to bring it up to full CPU performance like before. Instead of forcing our hand to buy a new device.
We said that hundreds of times already in this thread but doesn't seem like its sinking in or some dont want to understand it
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Leave it up to Apple.
They will eventually have the CPU throttling set up down the road based on date of purchase.
This way we cant figure out the correlation and after a year it will start to slow down. Just in time when the next iPhone is ready to come out. lol

Except in the iOS 10 days when battery issues were affecting some models pretty much the same group of people were calling that planned obsolescence. Even with iOS 11 battery issue threads the same calls have been made. But now siddenly battery issues wouldn't be good planned obsolescence. Basically it is when it conveniently fits the narrative, but it isn't when it doesn't.

 

[Applejuiced]

Except in the iOS 10 days when battery issues were affecting some models pretty much the same group of people were calling that planned obsolescence. Even with iOS 11 battery issue threads the same calls have been made. But now siddenly battery issues wouldn't be good planned obsolescence. Basically it is when it conveniently fits the narrative, but it isn't when it doesn't.

The planned obsolescence talks have been going on for many years prior to ios 10. You been here long enough to see them.
If Apple did what they did because of battery issues then all they had to do is be transparent and tell the users that their CPU could be slowed down significantly due to low battery performance.
Instead of putting the device on permanent low battery mode without any indication or option for the customer to turn that off or even the option of getting the defective battery replaced. Neither free and not even if they offer to pay for a new battery out of pocket.

 

[C DM]

The planned obsolescence talks have been going on for many years prior to ios 10. You been here long enough to see them.
If Apple did what they did because of battery issues then all they had to do is be transparent and tell the users that their CPU could be slowed down significantly due to low battery performance.
Instead of putting the device on permanent low battery mode without any indication or option for the customer to turn that off or even the option of getting the defective battery replaced. Neither free and not even if they offer to pay for a new battery out of pocket.

Now we are onto something else that has been brought up before and that I replied to with "that's all fair to say".

 

[Kalloud]

Another bad battery: my sister's 6s is benching worse than a 5s, and it's a little less than 2 years old.
Are there still people in denial?
If this doesn't affect your phone, that doesn't mean the issue doesn't exist. This issue affected my sister's 6s but not my 6s.

 

[Jmausmuc]

Another bad battery: my sister's 6s is benching worse than a 5s, and it's a little less than 2 years old.
Are there still people in denial?
If this doesn't affect your phone, that doesn't mean the issue doesn't exist. This issue affected my sister's 6s but not my 6s.

I think this is the worst we have seen so far on this thread... 919 on a 6S...

 

[MagicBoy]

iPhone displays this message automatically for a worn out battery.

Mine had it in hidden away in the bowels of the settings app, but only if you went looking for it. No notification anywhere else, or anything when connected to iTunes. It's a bit rich when they're spamming me twice a week with increasingly stern messages trying to force an iOS 11 upgrade on me, yet won't flag a "consumed" battery.

Wonder how many meetings they had with the lawyers to approve that word and attempt to avoid angry backlash from the customers?

 

[firmansolutions]

Yep. iPhone 6 with a replacement battery 3 months ago from a local iFixit store. It was working fine on iOS 10 until Apple forced the download onto my phone. I was in Cambodia late November, with my phone on airplane mode with wifi on. As I slept, the update went through and I woke up to find airplane mode off and phone updated. I haven't had the bill yet. I am really hoping the hotel wifi did the job.

One of my main work flows with my phone is keeping track of important docs and return receipts at post office using Notes. I used to be able to snap a photo and write a return note in-between transactions with the counter staff. Now I'm lucky if the camera will fire up for a photo before the jobs done. On the occasion I can take a quick snap, I get type-ahead issues where the keyboard can't keep up and I can usually get 10-15 charters ahead of the display. Of course I now find myself coveting a new iPhone 8.

I have had iPhones since version 1. Struggling with it now, but I have all Apple kit and Android OS is too painful. A ring though the nose isn't much fun either, especially when you find out its increasingly likely Apple are tugging it at their leisure.

 

[I7guy]

When we were debating that futurenark report in the other thread and trying to explain to you that the phone benched the same phone yet felt slow you kept insisting the benchmarks showed the phone wasn’t slowed. Now that the benchmarks show some phones are slowed you are reverting to real world usage.

The videos didn’t lineup with the narrative in your eyes. In my eyes in that video I can clearly see the delay. Hence in this case I asked for benchmarks so as to eliminate subjectivity out of the equation but you don’t have them.
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He is changing his tune in this thread because he knows the benchmarks no longer support his view. Funnily enough in another thread we were trying to convince him real world usage made the phones feel slow and it was benchmarking the same for years and he was admanant that benching the same meant there is no planned obsolescence and real world usage can’t be measured. His own posts now go against his posts in this thread.

You're entire point is moot because you have consistently changed your story and your evidence hasn't aligned with your narrative; and this isn't recent. As was shown planned obsolescence is a meme (and an unfortunate one at that)

Having said that, nobody is debating there is some power management going on, because apples power management algorithms are unknown can't really say how operates. But having said that:
- this is a nefarious trick by apple to avoid a recall
- throttling is present on every model
- there are factors one can't see merely by hooking up a battery to a macbook
- there could be a certain universe of abused batteries that look like defective batteries
- planned obsolescence at it's finest

So either people were throttled and they felt the difference with scores to show it. Or they couldn't feel the difference but the scores showed they were throttled, or the geekbench scores themselves were throttled and people didn't feel the difference because in normal usage the phone was fine.

But, imo, there is less here than meets the eye. However, I am happy apple replaced my battery.

 

[MagicBoy]

That's three 'or's. Pick a point and stop trolling for the sake of it.

 

[Radon87000]

That's three 'or's. Pick a point and stop trolling for the sake of it.

According to him Apple is always right and we are liars and deserve to pay for a new battery and there is no home button delay and I am seeing it wrong. . Time to move on. Unless he shows some visual benchmark, no need to reply to his posts. We have already provided him with the measurement he wanted in the previous thread.
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Yep. iPhone 6 with a replacement battery 3 months ago from a local iFixit store. It was working fine on iOS 10 until Apple forced the download onto my phone. I was in Cambodia late November, with my phone on airplane mode with wifi on. As I slept, the update went through and I woke up to find airplane mode off and phone updated. I haven't had the bill yet. I am really hoping the hotel wifi did the job.

One of my main work flows with my phone is keeping track of important docs and return receipts at post office using Notes. I used to be able to snap a photo and write a return note in-between transactions with the counter staff. Now I'm lucky if the camera will fire up for a photo before the jobs done. On the occasion I can take a quick snap, I get type-ahead issues where the keyboard can't keep up and I can usually get 10-15 charters ahead of the display. Of course I now find myself coveting a new iPhone 8.

I have had iPhones since version 1. Struggling with it now, but I have all Apple kit and Android OS is too painful. A ring though the nose isn't much fun either, especially when you find out its increasingly likely Apple are tugging it at their leisure.

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Apple has already moved on to iPhone X which is the main priority. They couldn’t give 2 ****s about their older devices at this point.

 

[MagicBoy]

According to him Apple is always right and we are liars and deserve to pay for a new battery and there is no home button delay and I am seeing it wrong. . Time to move on. Unless he shows some visual benchmark, no need to reply to his posts. We have already provided him with the measurement he wanted in the previous thread.
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Apple has already moved on to iPhone X which is the main priority. They couldn’t give 2 ****s about their older devices at this point.

I paid for a new battery. On a phone that's over three years old I'm mostly fine with that as they do wear out. If I had a less than 2 year old 6S then I'd be miffed.

 

[Radon87000]

I paid for a new battery. On a phone that's over three years old I'm mostly fine with that as they do wear out. If I had a less than 2 year old 6S then I'd be miffed.

I am fine with normal battery wear. I don’t like the phone being throttled without me knowing about it. It’s like buying a Ferrari which stalls on a race course.
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Another bad battery: my sister's 6s is benching worse than a 5s, and it's a little less than 2 years old.
Are there still people in denial?
If this doesn't affect your phone, that doesn't mean the issue doesn't exist. This issue affected my sister's 6s but not my 6s.

Wow that’s abysmal. It’s almost half of my iPhone 6. That 6s is performing worse than a 5s

 

[Puddled]

iPhone X which is the main priority. They couldn’t give 2 ****s about their older devices at this point.

Quite the opposite, hence this thread.
Apple care very much about older devices. They want the benefits of the illusion that apple devices are long lasting, and they want the benefits of the truth that they are not (either by accident or design).

Which is another way of saying Apple is fraudulent in its dealings and which is born out in this problem (for users) that to furnish the illusion that apple device's (iphone batteries in this case) are long lasting, they (apple) have to deceive the user by reducing the load on the batteries (and thus reducing battery drain) without telling the user.

Apple care a damn lot about not-new devices. They define who apple is and what they do.

 

[C DM]

That's three 'or's. Pick a point and stop trolling for the sake of it.

Is it hard to face that in many instances in life other possibilities can and often enough do exist? On the other hand, seems fairly simple to just deflect and go down the ad hominem argument path though.

 

[Radon87000]

Is it hard to face that in many instances in life other possibilities can and often enough do exist? On the other hand, seems fairly simple to just deflect and go down the ad hominem argument path though.

He paid for a new battery and his scores skyrocketed. There is nothing adhominem about stating facts.

 

[MagicBoy]

Indeed. The person who is perpetually keeping an argument going keeps making multiple and varied assertions that can't be backed up by a single shred of evidence.

 

[C DM]

He paid for a new battery and his scores skyrocketed. There is nothing adhominem about stating facts.

Not the aspect of it all that that's all about, as has already been pointed out before, and as already known.

 

[Radon87000]

Not the aspect of it all that that's all about, as has already been pointed out before, and as already known.

Let's get down to the point instead of beating around the bush. Do you deny planned obsolescence exists with this latest news?

 

[MH01]

Apple’s market cap is larger than many countries’ GDP. So it stands to reason that Apple runs their company not unlike a country. And make no mistake; if Apple is a country, it’s no democracy. It’s closer to a fascist dictatorship than anything.

Sure, they listen to us, the citizens, occasionally, slowly implementing the changes we request and patching the problems we clamor over. But they don’t do it for altruistic reasons. They do it to keep market share and to save money.

And if it is true that they throttle their CPUs when batteries get tired, they do it to keep the support call times down and the Genius Bar traffic to a minimum. They do it to pacify the masses.

Do they want to sell you a new phone every couple of years? Absolutely. But they know that many people can’t afford, or simply won’t buy a new phone every year or so just because the battery is getting tired. So rather than flood their help lines and Genius Bars with the needy masses crying about batteries dying at noon, they’ve engineered a solution that will get us non-upgrading plebes through the day; CPU throttle.

The good news is, unlike with an actual fascist dictatorship, with Apple you can vote, with your dollar. Take your money somewhere else. Or get a 3rd party battery. Or upgrade your phone. You have choices.

Apple has done the research and engineering here. They know the math. They’ve done the focus groups and the surveys. They know that in order to keep the majority of their customer base from rioting at the Genius Bar, the phone has to be made useable for as long as possible during the span of the day. The vast majority of soccer moms/dads and teenagers who make up Apple’s core customer base don’t read Reddit, don’t run benchmark tests, and don’t care if their 3 year old phone is a little sluggish, as long as it can post that one last Instagram photo of their omg you guys pizza, or tap that one last Facebook like, or send that one last text, before they can get to a charger.

Could they have told us about this? Sure. But if you were Apple...in today’s climate of demanding entitled uniformed consumers who yell for something they don’t understand beyond knowing they don’t have it and they must have everything or the world will end...would you?

Ummm every generation, apple has made efforts so you cannot access the device ,
So your claim to use a 3rd party battery? Upgrading your phone is exactly what they want , that is not okay if they cause your device to slow down. As a consumer, it really is not.

Okay, so you are happy for Apple to lie about battery health ? And that is okay , you have justified it. What is your spin on VW lieing on emmisions
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Let's get down to the point instead of beating around the bush. Do you deny planned obsolescence exists with this latest news?

Buckle in and get ready to go traveling around the bush

 

[I7guy]

Quite the opposite, hence this thread.
Apple care very much about older devices. They want the benefits of the illusion that apple devices are long lasting, and they want the benefits of the truth that they are not (either by accident or design).

Which is another way of saying Apple is fraudulent in its dealings and which is born out in this problem (for users) that to furnish the illusion that apple device's (iphone batteries in this case) are long lasting, they (apple) have to deceive the user by reducing the load on the batteries (and thus reducing battery drain) without telling the user.

Apple care a damn lot about not-new devices. They define who apple is and what they do.

I'm going to edit your post to reflect the reality and not the hyperbole.

"They want their devices to be long lasting".

With 5 years of solid updates, apple is committed to 5 years of support, that's the reality separate from the conspiracy and hyperbole of it all.

 

[MagicBoy]

With 5 years of solid updates, apple is committed to 5 years of support, that's the reality separate from the conspiracy and hyperbole of it all.

Continuing support is of little use if your device is potentially running at 50% CPU power for half those five years without warning.

I don't believe there's a drive for planned obsolescence from Apple. The competition are arguably worse for ongoing support.