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Other Apple is slowing down older iPhones based on battery wear level [MERGED]

Radon87000 said:
If the phone is the throttling within just a year then the battery is indeed defective but it doesn’t show up as a problem on their diags.

And a year old phone should not throttle. If it’s throttling this just shows it’s a low quality phone and the price is being paid just for the Apple logo because the phone itself is sub par. I haven’t heard of a single Android phone which throttled in 1 year. Not a single one.
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If the battery is defective by apple standards and you have AppleCare no worries. Other than if your battery is covered by a quality program you may be out of luck. Nobody knows if you didn’t abuse your phone by leaving it in the sun or putting it in the freezer to degrade the battery or your battery was an unlucky one. Of course android phones don’t throttle android requires much bigger batteries and phones and are not as nice in hands.
 
macsforever said:
It’s SIMPLE and if you’re phone is slowing down it probably needs a new battery! You’re not talking a NEW device! Does your car go faster the more miles in the engine? NO!!!!
Quit whining and man-up and make it work man!!!!
You gonna put a post up about GM’s engines not going faster with more miles you accrued? Come on man, roll up your sleeves and make a change.... quit bitching!
Maybe it’s time to replace your phone battery.... don’t last forever!!!!
Why do people have to whine all the time about everything..... nothing last forever get over it!!!!!
You won’t even last forever!
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You need to learn what 'whining' means. GM engines don't slow down or lose HP after x miles.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

That was easy. Who's next?
 
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I7guy said:
If the battery is defective by apple standards and you have AppleCare no worries. Other than if your battery is covered by a quality program you may be out of luck. Nobody knows if you didn’t abuse your phone by leaving it in the sun or putting it in the freezer to degrade the battery or your battery was an unlucky one. Of course android phones don’t throttle android requires much bigger batteries and phones and are not as nice in hands.
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I do not need AppleCare. I used to buy it before but I never drop my phone nor do i abuse it. I am extremely careful with my hardware and apart from the yellow screen replacements when I buy a new device I never needed to visit an apple store except for battery replacements. This is why this time around I spent the money I saved not buying AppleCare on AirPods because I got tired of flimsy adapters.
If Apple is using substandard batteries which get bad just after their normal warranty runs out this is going to turn out very expensive as my phone costed well over s thousand bucks and I expect a full 2 years of no battery issues. If the phone is throttled after a year and I have to pay what’s the point of putting that powerful SOC in the phone.
 
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I just checked my one-year-old iPhone 7 on Geekbench. It's actually faster than it was under iOS 10. According to a battery app, the battery wear is only 96 percent, so I'm OK for the foreseeable future. If I were to keep the phone for a few years and it slowed down, I'd just have the battery replaced. (I had an iPhone 4S for 3 years.) But Apple sure mishandled the PR on this issue.
 
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Radon87000 said:
I do not need AppleCare. I used to buy it before but I never drop my phone nor do i abuse it. I am extremely careful with my hardware and apart from the yellow screen replacements when I buy a new device I never needed to visit an apple store except for battery replacements. This is why this time around I spent the money I saved not buying AppleCare on AirPods because I got tired of flimsy adapters.
If Apple is using substandard batteries which get bad just after their normal warranty runs out this is going to turn out very expensive as my phone costed well over s thousand bucks and I expect a full 2 years of no battery issues. If the phone is throttled after a year and I have to pay what’s the point of putting that powerful SOC in the phone.
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It’s impossible for you to prove Apple is using substandard batteries. Clearly my 6s had a defective battery because it was replaced.

But android is carefully looking at this, guaranteed.
 
I7guy said:
It’s impossible for you to prove Apple is using substandard batteries. Clearly my 6s had a defective battery because it was replaced.
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I agree which is what makes this scheme of theirs even more devious. I suspect this won’t be easily proved in court but I appreciate the fact that it proved what I was thinking all along.

But android is carefully looking at this, guaranteed.
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Android oems don’t have as much control over the operating system as much as Apple does. And even if they tried, since it’s Android users would find a way to unthrottle the CPU. The recent case in point on Android being the Oreo colorfier app which fixes the muted bad screen of Pixel 2 XL. There is always a way on Android.

And I seriously doubt Samsung will try to pull any shady stuff especially with the batteries after what happened with the Note 7. It I was looking for the best quality batteries in a phone I would say it’s a Samsung just because of what happened with their flagship.
 
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zhandri said:
this is the problem. they throttle performance before the battery itself is considered "bad" by apple. if the battery is just dead health wise i have no problem with throttling. but throttling even though apple diagnostics say it's a perfectly fine battery is just pure BS
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Agree, if batteries are perfectly healthy why is the phone throttled? I would assume throttling would automatically mean you have a bad battery.
 
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Apple can say all they want but I bet the majority of users, not reading this forum, noticing the slow down automatically assume they need an upgrade, and more$$$ for Apple! Still on IOS 9.2 so this $%^#$ doesn't bother me a nary bit. Just say NO to upgrades.
 
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rui no onna said:
Pretty sure the A chipsets can change frequency on demand (at least since A7) for power and thermal regulation. Mind, the point of the big.LITTLE-like CPU configuration on the A10 Fusion and A11 Bionic is power savings. The iPhone 7, 8 and X probably use the low power cores 70-90% of the time.

The default setting should be CPU throttled almost all the time only ramping up when there's high demand otherwise, you'd kill battery unnecessarily much sooner. Checking email, listening to music, watching videos or reading ebooks don't really require gobs of processing power.

Iirc, as a point of comparison, factory settings on my Windows laptop when on battery is min CPU state 5% and max CPU state 100%. The power saving profile limits max CPU state to 50%.
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So I decided to run an experiment to find out if the 7 is being throttled considering it was just enabled in 11.2. I bought the CPU Daasher app and while running a Geekbench quickly took a screenshot and it seems there is some slight throttling. The stock frequency of A10 Fusion is 2.34ghz and my cpu is at 2243mhz. I don’t know if that’s how it’s always been. Can you check your clock speeds considering you are using an iPhone 7 on iOS 10?

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Radon87000 said:
Is it on iOS 11 because that’s normal. Once when I was using the phone I turned on the camera and the battery jumped from 28% to 20% in 2 minutes. Haven’t faced a problem on my X but this is how it was on the 7.
I have a feeling this is all a setup. They use low quality batteries which get bad in just a year or so, the phone gets throttled and they get money from out of warranty claims or the person doesn’t realise the phone is throttling and buys a newer phone.
[doublepost=1513966714][/doublepost]Introducing the A12 Bionic. The most powerful and smartest chip ever in a smartphone, with a neural engine that’s capable of up to 750 billion operations per second.*


*Shall be throttled to Snapdragon 845 speeds in a year.
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Running 11.2
After shutting it down and having reset it fully I get an email from Apple saying that "find my phone" had been turned off. Forgot about that and maybe it is what eats battery even when shut off.
 
Radon87000 said:
So I decided to run an experiment to find out if the 7 is being throttled considering it was just enabled in 11.2. I bought the CPU Daasher app and while running a Geekbench quickly took a screenshot and it seems there is some slight throttling. The stock frequency of A10 Fusion is 2.34ghz and my cpu is at 2243mhz. I don’t know if that’s how it’s always been. Can you check your clock speeds considering you are using an iPhone 7 on iOS 10?

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That's the same thing my i7 plus is showing now on ios 10.3
Seems pretty close though.
At least its not 800mhz :D
 
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Radon87000 said:
So I decided to run an experiment to find out if the 7 is being throttled considering it was just enabled in 11.2. I bought the CPU Daasher app and while running a Geekbench quickly took a screenshot and it seems there is some slight throttling. The stock frequency of A10 Fusion is 2.34ghz and my cpu is at 2243mhz. I don’t know if that’s how it’s always been. Can you check your clock speeds considering you are using an iPhone 7 on iOS 10?

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Are you getting a refund for the app (just curious)?
 
pixel_junkie said:
I do too. Their greed has no end. Otherwise iSheep will be iSheep, they'll sit in line to buy an empty tuna can for $1000 if it had an Apple logo on it.
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No business is your friend. And greed is the ultimate goal of any business. Is Apple a registered nonprofit? What about Alphabet or Microsoft? Nope. None of them. Some businesses try to do the right thing... some more so than others. How materials are sourced, environmental impact, etc. Apple isn’t exactly Checron or some other big oil company. They certainly do better than others, like Samsung.

But at the end of the day? Still not your friend. They just want to make a buck off you like everyone else.
 
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Hieveryone said:
Why do we have to choose between a rock and a hard spot???
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Because that’s the picture Apple has painted and people believe it hook line and sinker. For some it’s either or when in reality many don’t experience shutdowns on older phones even with degraded batteries.

I’m speaking from my experience as well as close family using older iPhones such as 5c, 4 and 4s. Those didn’t shut off even after years of usage.
 
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PeLaNo said:
So planned obsolete isn’t real ?This is pretty interesting.
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no surprise this has been out for so long and is commonfeature of smartphones normally [even android would slow down after a fresh reset still because of crappy batt life] i was just wondering how long it took the "masses" to realize it until a newspost had to say something about it -_-
 
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rawCpoppa said:
Because that’s the picture Apple has painted and people believe it hook line and sinker. For some it’s either or when in reality many don’t experience shutdowns on older phones even with degraded batteries.

I’m speaking from my experience as well as close family using older iPhones such as 5c, 4 and 4s. Those didn’t shut off even after years of usage.
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Yeah I mean I can’t imagine we have to choose between slow iPhones or random shutdowns.

They can’t think of something better????
 
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Hieveryone said:
Yeah I mean I can’t imagine we have to choose between slow iPhones or random shutdowns.

They can’t think of something better????
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Yeah they can NOT turn you away from changing your batteries even after you request that it be changed because they say your battery isn’t worn past 80%.
 
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rawCpoppa said:
Yeah they can NOT turn you away from changing your batteries even after you request that it be changed because they say your battery isn’t worn past 80%.
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Have they really been turning people away at the Apple store?

I’ve never tried to change a battery. This is baaad.
 
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rawCpoppa said:
Yeah they can NOT turn you away from changing your batteries even after you request that it be changed because they say your battery isn’t worn past 80%.
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weird if it was me i'd do a battery change every two years with the out of warranty upfront pricing of 99$. assuming 1 day = 1 full charge normally. 700 charges = <80% battery life by then.
 
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