Other Apple is slowing down older iPhones based on battery wear level [MERGED]

[FeliApple]

This is interesting:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordon...-10-2-1-iphone-battery-problems/#8db206a79399

https://www.macrumors.com/2017/01/23/apple-releases-ios-10-2-1/

http://www.redmondpie.com/ios-10.2.1-release-notes-changelog-here-are-all-changes-in-one-place/

Just says general bug fixes and release notes don’t get much more into it in relation to battery issues

The Forbes article says this affects 6s on iOS 10 below 30% but not 7

So why would 7 need this throttling in 11.2?

Still fishy...

And if the phone just shuts off at 30 percent until u re charge that’s better than a throttled cpu without your knowledge. Geeez

This story isn’t done

I cannot read the Forbes articles because the quote of the day appears and tapping continue to article just returns to the same page.
Anyway, that is the main issue: They addressed this problem in an awful way. Not clear, and all the criticism we've heard. That's done. Now: Why would you implement that on other devices as well (the iPhone 7 for example and the SE I think.)

 

[macsforever]

Why are you responding with this link? It didn’t contain anything that hasn’t already been said. Yes, there are 3rd party options for replacing your battery if Apple won’t. But the average user isn’t going to be opening up their iPhone with a screwdriver. Apple was deceptive, even if they may have had a valid technical reason for doing what they did. They should change their battery replacement policy to allow for repairs before 80% degradation. And they deserve whatever they end up having to pay to settle these lawsuits because the did deceive users with this practice.

It’s SIMPLE and if you’re phone is slowing down it probably needs a new battery! You’re not talking a NEW device! Does your car go faster the more miles in the engine? NO!!!!
Quit whining and man-up and make it work man!!!!
You gonna put a post up about GM’s engines not going faster with more miles you accrued? Come on man, roll up your sleeves and make a change.... quit bitching!
Maybe it’s time to replace your phone battery.... don’t last forever!!!!
Why do people have to whine all the time about everything..... nothing last forever get over it!!!!!
You won’t even last forever!

 

[macsforever]

The problem is Apple doesn't widely publicize the option of a battery replacement to begin with. Even if you want one, they won't do it unless their tests show the batter has degraded to 80% capacity. But, the software begins throttling the processor before the battery has degraded that much. So, users are left with degraded performance and Apple refusing to do a battery replacement. Combine that with the fact that Apple slipped this change into software without telling anyone and hoping nobody would notice, and it's a problem.

Why does Apple have to tell somebody that the battery needs to be replaced once they wear out? Isn’t that just common sense? Again, throwing stones!!!

 

[macsforever]

My two years old iPhone 6S Plus is ruined after after updating to iOS 11. Thank you Apple for fu***ng with my device. You won't get my money ever again

Would you like some cheese to go with that whine??? LOL!!!

 

[Stang6790]

It’s SIMPLE and if you’re phone is slowing down it probably needs a new battery! You’re not talking a NEW device! Does your car go faster the more miles in the engine? NO!!!!
Quit whining and man-up and make it work man!!!!
You gonna put a post up about GM’s engines not going faster with more miles you accrued? Come on man, roll up your sleeves and make a change.... quit bitching!
Maybe it’s time to replace your phone battery.... don’t last forever!!!!
Why do people have to whine all the time about everything..... nothing last forever get over it!!!!!
You won’t even last forever!

If GM sent out an ECM update that cut my horsepower by a third after my car hit 100,000 miles even though it was running perfectly fine, then yes I would be pissed and would be posting in a GM forum and writing GM.

 

[rui no onna]

What I want to know is does this throttle the processor at all times or only when there is high demand? If it's at all times then I would think the planned obsolescence is probably the case unless it's not technically possible to vary the clock speed on demand like you can on a laptop. Either way I think this is a bad move and very shady. I've had smart phones several years old that still run the same as the day I purchased them. Granted the battery may not last very long but I have never had one shut down due voltage drop.

Pretty sure the A chipsets can change frequency on demand (at least since A7) for power and thermal regulation. Mind, the point of the big.LITTLE-like CPU configuration on the A10 Fusion and A11 Bionic is power savings. The iPhone 7, 8 and X probably use the low power cores 70-90% of the time.

The default setting should be CPU throttled almost all the time only ramping up when there's high demand otherwise, you'd kill battery unnecessarily much sooner. Checking email, listening to music, watching videos or reading ebooks don't really require gobs of processing power.

Iirc, as a point of comparison, factory settings on my Windows laptop when on battery is min CPU state 5% and max CPU state 100%. The power saving profile limits max CPU state to 50%.

 

[macsforever]

If GM sent out an ECM update that cut my horsepower by a third after my car hit 100,000 miles even though it was running perfectly fine, then yes I would be pissed and would be posting in a GM forum and writing GM.

But for one: You would know how to build an engine
And for two:
You’re not an engineer
And for three:
Why whine about it?

 

[macsforever]

What I want to know is does this throttle the processor at all times or only when there is high demand? If it's at all times then I would think the planned obsolescence is probably the case unless it's not technically possible to vary the clock speed on demand like you can on a laptop. Either way I think this is a bad move and very shady. I've had smart phones several years old that still run the same as the day I purchased them. Granted the battery may not last very long but I have never had one shut down due voltage drop.

Yeah I know I’m going to do my next render job on my iPhone!!! Lol!!!

 

[chillip]

My iPhone 7 battery was at 85% and I was charged for a new battery. I complained and got a refund. Manager at Apple store said I should never of been charged.

 

[chillip]

My phone is 10 months old and I have AC

 

[zhandri]

The problem is Apple doesn't widely publicize the option of a battery replacement to begin with. Even if you want one, they won't do it unless their tests show the batter has degraded to 80% capacity. But, the software begins throttling the processor before the battery has degraded that much. So, users are left with degraded performance and Apple refusing to do a battery replacement. Combine that with the fact that Apple slipped this change into software without telling anyone and hoping nobody would notice, and it's a problem.

this is the problem. they throttle performance before the battery itself is considered "bad" by apple. if the battery is just dead health wise i have no problem with throttling. but throttling even though apple diagnostics say it's a perfectly fine battery is just pure BS

 

[TroyBoy30]

If under 80% they will, they should replace it whenever the customer is willing to pay, not wait until 80% which is absurd

agreed. we have over 100 iphones here in the company and my local apple store has had no issue with replacing batteries whenever i want. ive never had them tell me i can't unless it'sunder 80%

 

[Radon87000]

agreed. we have over 100 iphones here in the company and my local apple store has had no issue with replacing batteries whenever i want. ive never had them tell me i can't unless it'sunder 80%

The Apple store I frequent never replaces batteries for free until battery is below 80%

 

[Allyance]

You have a flashlight, after awhile the light gets dimmer and dimmer, then you replace the batteries and you are back to normal. No battery last forever, Apple tried to extend the useful life of older phones, not a ploy to force you into an upgrade. With millions and millions of iPhones of varying ages and condition it is a monumental problem. But there is always a group that wants sue about least little thing. Apple should apologize for the mishandling of the situation and offer a deal on replacing batteries or setup a third party company to handle the deluge of phones. I had a 6S that qualified for a battery replacement under warranty. Took it in to local store and they replaced it, in doing so the tech broke a lead or contact to the Touch Id button, and Apple replaced the phone on the spot, no arguments.

 

[cbreze]

I know the lawsuit will just make more money for lawyers and nothing more but it ensures many will know about this fast one Apple pulled over its customers.

I'm seeing more and more news about this on various techy sites so hopefully it will be picked up soon by some major news outlets and really get this message out to those who otherwise would remain clueless.

 

[Radon87000]

https://ifixit.org/blog/9472/ios-up...utm_source=CampaignMonitor&utm_term=Read More

That’s not a smart move replacing the battery yourself. Apple doesn’t like users opening their devices and goes out of their way trying to brick the devices of those who do. I will remember Error 53 where Apple bricked all TouchID phones for getting their sensor replaced at third part shops. Not willing to risk it for $1000 phones. Even my 7 Plus costed near a thousand bucks.

There’s the remote possibility Apple detects a third party replacement and iOS throttles the phone to below half speed at max health and you will have wasted your money.

 

[Radon87000]

I'm seeing more and more news about this on various techy sites so hopefully it will be picked up soon by some major news outlets and really get this message out to those who otherwise would remain clueless.

I hope that happens and it gets published every where. It’s time we brought Apple to book on this. It’s tiring to see old phones performing like computers from 2002.
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You have a flashlight, after awhile the light gets dimmer and dimmer, then you replace the batteries and you are back to normal. No battery last forever, Apple tried to extend the useful life of older phones, not a ploy to force you into an upgrade. With millions and millions of iPhones of varying ages and condition it is a monumental problem. But there is always a group that wants sue about least little thing. Apple should apologize for the mishandling of the situation and offer a deal on replacing batteries or setup a third party company to handle the deluge of phones. I had a 6S that qualified for a battery replacement under warranty. Took it in to local store and they replaced it, in doing so the tech broke a lead or contact to the Touch Id button, and Apple replaced the phone on the spot, no arguments.

I would love to hear what your definition of “old” is because the iPhone 7 is not an old phone by any means. It goes toe to toe with an iPhone 8 in real world speed tests.

 

[C DM]

I'm seeing more and more news about this on various techy sites so hopefully it will be picked up soon by some major news outlets and really get this message out to those who otherwise would remain clueless.

Various major news outlets have already had stories about it.

 

[pixel_junkie]

I hope that happens and it gets published every where. It’s time we brought Apple to book on this. It’s tiring to see old phones performing like computers from 2002.
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I would love to hear what your definition of “old” is because the iPhone 7 is not an old phone by any means. It goes toe to toe with an iPhone 8 in real world speed tests.

I do too. Their greed has no end. Otherwise iSheep will be iSheep, they'll sit in line to buy an empty tuna can for $1000 if it had an Apple logo on it.

 

[Radon87000]

you really think you should get new batteries for free?

Yes I do. It’s not my fault Apple has used a subpar battery in my phone.

 

[cbreze]

Here's a battery issue somewhat unrelated but maybe relevent none the less. I turned off my 10 month old iphone 7 and put it back in its box for just over a month, no sim installed. I pull it out this morning to start it up to check something and get a low battery alarm. Was 14%. This after storing it at 48% charge. Normal loss for an iphone? I've done this with countless other devices and have a 9 year old windows phone that's been stored for at least 8 years and does not lose battery. Something is going on behind the scenes with my iphone 7 even when off.
If the battery sits there after going to 0% unbeknownst to me, well that's not good. It's not going to be used for an indefinite amount of time , maybe never with the bad taste Apple is leaving me, so I decided to reset it to factory, charge it up to 70% and hope for the best. Hoping to just sell or trade it down the road.

 

[I7guy]

Yes I do. It’s not my fault Apple has used a subpar battery in my phone.

Not if your phone is out if warranty or the battery wasn’t shown to be defective.

 

[Radon87000]

Not if your phone is out if warranty or the battery wasn’t shown to be defective.

If the phone is the throttling within just a year then the battery is indeed defective but it doesn’t show up as a problem on their diags.

And a year old phone should not throttle. If it’s throttling this just shows it’s a low quality phone and the price is being paid just for the Apple logo because the phone itself is sub par. I haven’t heard of a single Android phone which throttled in 1 year. Not a single one.

 

[Jimmy James]

It’s SIMPLE and if you’re phone is slowing down it probably needs a new battery! You’re not talking a NEW device! Does your car go faster the more miles in the engine? NO!!!!
Quit whining and man-up and make it work man!!!!
You gonna put a post up about GM’s engines not going faster with more miles you accrued? Come on man, roll up your sleeves and make a change.... quit bitching!
Maybe it’s time to replace your phone battery.... don’t last forever!!!!
Why do people have to whine all the time about everything..... nothing last forever get over it!!!!!
You won’t even last forever!

Your GM engine also doesn't demonstrate a massive power cut when the car has half a tank of fuel, or the battery is no longer near new.

The concern is that this is being done (up to now) prematurely, without consent, without knowledge, without option to intervene, and where it is not wanted and possibly not even warranted. Worse, possibly to cover up a battery flaw.

Based on the tone of your post I'm guessing you'd be the first and loudest to complain if your vehicle duplicated these characteristic after a couple of years.

 

[Radon87000]

Here's a battery issue somewhat unrelated but maybe relevent none the less. I turned off my 10 month old iphone 7 and put it back in its box for just over a month, no sim installed. I pull it out this morning to start it up to check something and get a low battery alarm. Was 14%. This after storing it at 48% charge. Normal loss for an iphone? I've done this with countless other devices and have a 9 year old windows phone that's been stored for at least 8 years and does not lose battery. Something is going on behind the scenes with my iphone 7 even when off.
If the battery sits there after going to 0% unbeknownst to me, well that's not good. It's not going to be used for an indefinite amount of time , maybe never with the bad taste Apple is leaving me, so I decided to reset it to factory, charge it up to 70% and hope for the best. Hoping to just sell or trade it down the road.

Is it on iOS 11 because that’s normal. Once when I was using the phone I turned on the camera and the battery jumped from 28% to 20% in 2 minutes. Haven’t faced a problem on my X but this is how it was on the 7.
I have a feeling this is all a setup. They use low quality batteries which get bad in just a year or so, the phone gets throttled and they get money from out of warranty claims or the person doesn’t realise the phone is throttling and buys a newer phone.
[doublepost=1513966714][/doublepost]Introducing the A12 Bionic. The most powerful and smartest chip ever in a smartphone, with a neural engine that’s capable of up to 750 billion operations per second.*


*Shall be throttled to Snapdragon 845 speeds in a year.