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I manually replaced my battery in my iPhone 6, which is just over 3 years old, yesterday, and it’s been so much nicer to use since. Really happy.

I’m frustrated with Apple though, because I wasn’t able to afford a new iPhone after the usual 2 years, nor even after 3 years, and so I told myself I would just have to live with a less flashy phone, which increasingly felt slower and slower. I was aware the battery had degraded due to shorter life, but that was OK, and I really had no idea that that could be behind the slow performance. I would have replaced the battery much sooner and not lived with such a slow phone for the past 6 months or so.

That’s the thing that gets me. I thought I was taking a hit to save my wallet because I thought the option was keep my phone or buy a new one. But I only had to spend £15 on a replacement battery... now I have absolutely no desire to upgrade!
 
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This is the problem, it's just not true, by the time a battery gets low enough voltage output to cause shutdowns at normal clock speeds, that battery is going to be literally refusing to charge. Voltage regulators generally work over a pretty wide range and batteries come in 3+ volts and won't charge in most cases below around 2.7v, the cpus run at maybe 1v in a mobile device. Voltage and shut downs isn't an issue. They've been caught slowing down the CPU on release of new devices(how it took this long I don't know) and they've released a semi technical excuse which most people won't understand and might believe it's plausible. There is no way that a battery providing well over 3v, degrades a little, drops say 0.2v and the voltage regulators can no longer step this down to ~1v.

The downclocking for stability is a complete excuse and any idea that they downclock to save battery life is also utter bull. Devices absolutely do this when at critical battery life but not when at full charge on an older battery. LIterally no other mobile devices do this. You don't buy a device with a given performance level just to accept that as battery degrades (which we all know has always happened and accept that as part of the technology) the device performance does too (which no one has ever accepted and has never been standard on any device aside from Apple ones).

This is purely a move to push people to upgrade and push people away from just replacing the battery after a couple of years. They won't want to sell you a £600 phone then two years later sell you a £70 battery then another two years sell you another £70 battery when they can push you to spend £600 on a new device every two years.

What needs to be deeply investigated is if Apple specifically push out aggressive downclocking modes or specific over taxing only on older phone software within new iOS updates released with new phones. I suspect that is actually what happens, let people have their normal device performance on new phones, when the next gen phone is released they release a new version of iOS that tells older phones to downclock more aggressively, this way the lackingperformance to users feels like their old phone unable to cope with the rigours of a more up to date and powerful operating system and makes them think their olddevices are much slower with newer software than newer phones making them want to update.

It's worth remembering a couple of things, one that any phone can end up with technical issues and shut down randomly, this can simply be from the battery being almost out of power. If a user only ever gets to say 90% power and keeps topping it up that is almost worst case scenario for battery life but also screws up the battery life indicator as you need to do some full cycles now and then for the software to be able to estimate battery life accurately. So in a few scenarios they could be at 5% power, the battery is turning off but it's reading as say 80% power because the battery is never cycled so it's not aware it's really at 5% power.

A more realistic scenario is simply that with Apple trying to spin this story they have a few guys post to reddit with stories to back up their excuse. Places like reddit and most social media platforms simply have shills all over the damn place to spin the narrative they are pushing.

Either way as I've suggested before a really deep investigation needs to be conducted by people with the technological skills, that means someone who has this slow down goes to a qualified person who can remove the battery and test the battery's output on it's own. If the phone has slowed down to 50% clock speeds and you take the battery out and it's reading 3.75v still, then it's not lacking voltage. But again I think the most crucial thing is, is iOS updates also sending out triggers to older devices to at that point aggressively clock down where before new phone/new iOS version are released the phones don't clock down regardless of battery life?

I also touched on another scenario, they have dire voltage reg circuitry and it really can't cope with minor losses in voltage.... but that means the device isn't fit for purpose and people shouldn't spend £100 on them let alone £500+ for an inferior product.

Why do basically all other brands manage the same clock speeds with no issues 3-4 years later when the battery has gone to hell but Apple phones can't? Voltage reg stuff in general is designed to work with a relatively wide range and all li-ion batteries work the same so if every other brand is building in enough leeway to get the voltage right even on an old battery but Apple can't despite being more expensive devices then that alone is a massive problem in which they are selling you inferior hardware with effectively a far shorter life span at the rated specs.

Would anyone here pay for a 8700k at current prices if after 1-2 years due to poor manufacturing it could only sustain half the performance while stable?
 
Honestly who cares.... They are doing the right thing. If anyone expects a cell phone to work as well as it did 2-3 years after you purchased it your head is in the clouds. These discussions blow my mind!

They are not doing the right thing at all.
They are doing a very shady and deceptive thing.
This is a huge scandal. Take a look at the lawsuits that will continue to pile up and Apple's credibility and consumer confidence diminish.
Some like to sip on the Koolaid but most can see the obvious scam they been pulling on their customers for years now.
Judges and lawyers will see that also and sort it out. Glad they got exposed.
Its a great thing for the consumer to keep these huge corporations accountable and liable for damages when they lie and deceive their customers.
 
People make it if Apple is a Demon, The Devil's Advocate.
The reality is Google,android fan's are winning the mind games.
soon everyone will go to Google to give all they Data, privacy,
Google the one seeing eye, with its pyramid, is watching YOU.
 
Ok. And? Throttling will happen in all phones but the time frame is indeterminate. Could be 2 years for one iPhone and 5 years for another.

And you're ok with your device to have an expiration date when Apple decides it should turn to a snail.
And that battery thing it's an excuse, they're slowing down iPhone 7's that are under a year old and with minimal battery wear.
Keep defending and denying though.
 
And you're ok with your device to have an expiration date when Apple decides it should turn to a snail.
And that battery thing it's an excuse, they're slowing down iPhone 7's that are under a year old and with minimal battery wear.
Keep defending and denying though.
When my battery starts to die and it’s a choice between a slow phone or dead phone. All of this will be sorted out.

iPhone 7 makes no sense. But yeah I’ll give Apple the benefit of the doubt for now.
 
When my battery starts to die and it’s a choice between a slow phone or dead phone. All of this will be sorted out.

iPhone 7 makes no sense. But yeah I’ll give Apple the benefit of the doubt for now.

Right, you're still giving them the benefit of the doubt but most of us lost faith and trust is out the window.
Reality is you'd have no idea when that slowing would happen to your device because Apple would lie to you and tell you the battery is fine.
That's until this whole thing got exposed and hopefully it changes some things down the road.
You are welcome, this shady practice getting exposed is good for the end user including you that thinks Apple does no wrong. ;)
 
I've often said that we've had phones for a while that are adequate. And then each successive generation gets much quicker. Again and again. And then each of those phones becomes concerningly slow. And I've come to expect that trend to continue even as chipsets become outrageously fast. Now there's an explanation. Even if the explanation doesn't look like planned obsolescence (it does) the outcome looks exactly that way.
[doublepost=1514093745][/doublepost]I've just realized what it takes to pull a stunt like this: Courage!
 
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Except that's not what was said. Talk about spreading misinformation...

No where in Apple’s statement do they state it’s only specific iPhones whose batteries are defective will throttle.

“Our goal is to deliver the best experience for customers, which includes overall performance and prolonging the life of their devices. Lithium-ion batteries become less capable of supplying peak current demands when in cold conditions, have a low battery charge or as they age over time, which can result in the device unexpectedly shutting down to protect its electronic components.

Last year we released a feature for iPhone 6, iPhone 6s and iPhone SE to smooth out the instantaneous peaks only when needed to prevent the device from unexpectedly shutting down during these conditions. We've now extended that feature to iPhone 7 with iOS 11.2, and plan to add support for other products in the future."
 
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Ok. And? Throttling will happen in all phones but the time frame is indeterminate. Could be 2 years for one iPhone and 5 years for another.

It’s happening after a year for some phones and customers are charged for a replacement. A $970 device shouldn’t throttle after a year. On top of that Apple states this is perfectly normal.

Apple doesn’t even state my battery is the reason the phone is slow. Heck I upgraded my phone because of delays and battery drain. There may plenty others who were deceived by Apple hiding this information.
 
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No where in Apple’s statement do they state it’s only specific iPhones whose batteries are defective will throttle.

“Our goal is to deliver the best experience for customers, which includes overall performance and prolonging the life of their devices. Lithium-ion batteries become less capable of supplying peak current demands when in cold conditions, have a low battery charge or as they age over time, which can result in the device unexpectedly shutting down to protect its electronic components.

Last year we released a feature for iPhone 6, iPhone 6s and iPhone SE to smooth out the instantaneous peaks only when needed to prevent the device from unexpectedly shutting down during these conditions. We've now extended that feature to iPhone 7 with iOS 11.2, and plan to add support for other products in the future."
So they are throttling all the phones then? Except many aren't being throttled. It's rather disingenuous to try to spin it so rather blatantly.
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It’s happening after a year for some phones and customers are charged for a replacement.
Wait, now it's happening on just "some" phones? Suddenly it's not "all" anymore? How many more contradictions can there be?
 
So they are throttling all the phones then? Except many aren't being throttled. It's rather disingenuous to try to spin it so rather blatantly.
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Oh, wait, now it's happening on just "some" phones. Suddenly it's not "all" anymore. How many more contradictions can there be?

You did not understand what I said. Apple is saying it’s going to happen on all phones but as of right now only some phones are throttled. But Apple states that throttling is expected on all phones.
 
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You did not understand what I said. Apple is saying it’s going to happen on all phones by as of right now only some phones are throttled. But Apple states that throttling is expected on all phones.
No, they aren't saying that. They are saying that the additional power management would be enabled on phones models as they become older, but they aren't saying that all devices would be throttled.
 
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