Apple is Struggling to Integrate Touch ID Under the iPhone 8's Display

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    Apple's supposed "biggest bottleneck" in preparing to mass produce the rumored 5.8-inch iPhone with an edge-to-edge OLED display remains integrating Touch ID underneath the display, according to a research note from Cowen and Company analyst Timothy Arcuri obtained by MacRumors.


    Arcuri, citing his own "field work" within the supply chain, said the current yield of Apple's in-house AuthenTec-based fingerprint sensor solution is low, while noting that Apple seems unwilling to use an outside solution at this time. If Apple cannot resolve these yield issues, he sees three different scenarios:
    o Apple removes Touch ID from the 5.8-inch iPhone entirely and relies solely on facial/iris recognition. Arcuri said this is unlikely, as it's not secure enough, risky, and would potentially create issues with Apple Pay.

    o Apple puts Touch ID on the back of the 5.8-inch iPhone, but in a different place than the one on the Galaxy S8, which can be hard to reach. Arcuri said this would not be a user-friendly or optimal solution to say the least.

    o Apple delays production of the 5.8-inch iPhone, but still announces the device in early September alongside updated 4.7-inch and 5.5-inch models.Arcuri said Apple is aiming to finalize its fingerprint sensor specification by May, but if its in-house AuthenTec-based solution is not feasible due to yield issues, mass production of the tentatively named "iPhone 8" could be delayed until September, compared to its usual late July to August timeframe.

    Arcuri still expects Apple to announce the 5.8-inch iPhone alongside updated 4.7-inch and 5.5-inch models in September, but supplies may be extremely limited or unavailable whatsoever until later in the year. That timeline echoes recent predictions from Apple analyst Brian White and investment bank Barclays.

    It's also a scenario that has occurred with nearly every previous iPhone launch. Last year, the iPhone 7 Plus in Jet Black was a highly popular model among customers, and shipping estimates for online orders quickly slipped to several weeks out. It wasn't until around November that it became more widely available.

    The device, which has also been called the iPhone X, iPhone Pro, or iPhone Edition, is expected to feature a new glass and stainless steel design, wireless charging, longer battery life, a new front-facing camera with 3D sensing capabilities, and improved water resistance. It also won't have a physical Home button.

    Touch ID-related yield issues may be the reason why 5.8-inch iPhone components and schematics have yet to leak from the supply chain. iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus parts began to leak around March last year.

    Cowen and Company maintains an "outperform" rating for AAPL with a $155 price target.

    Article Link: Apple is Struggling to Integrate Touch ID Under the iPhone 8's Display
  2. Tobias Funke macrumors 6502a

    Tobias Funke

    Apr 3, 2012
  3. ZacNicholson macrumors 6502a


    Jun 25, 2011
    Maybe well have to wait another year. but well get new emojis for sure
  4. Glideslope macrumors 603


    Dec 7, 2007
    A quiet place in NY.
  5. profets macrumors 601

    Mar 18, 2009
    We have an interesting 5 months now leading up to this supposed new iPhone. We heard as early as last year that with the front of the phone going almost all screen that they were working on putting Touch ID under the screen. If they do pull it off, it'll be damn interesting to see.
  6. 1Zach1 macrumors 65816


    Feb 8, 2008
    Northern Va
    Wouldn't Apple really be pushing a production timeline to not already have a finalized and functioning design and implementation plan in place?
  7. BulkSlash macrumors regular


    Aug 20, 2013
    Take your time Apple and get it right. I don't want a TouchID-less phone that I have to bring up to my face to unlock or having to fumble on the back for the right spot.
  8. busyscott macrumors regular


    Sep 29, 2015
    Well, on the bright side, I'm fairly certain at this point that MacRumors could just put up one blog that says, "Everything is delayed" and take the rest of the year off.
  9. jdclifford macrumors 6502

    Jul 26, 2011
    It'll be out in a few weeks. It's being called the Samsung Galaxy iPhone S8.
  10. Appleaker macrumors 68020

    Jun 13, 2016
    Delaying production is obviously the most likely. As for repositioning, while I don't see it happening, the best place in my opinion would be the side, possible in a newly designed power button. The front is always the best option however. Also I think it's time to stop referring to it as the iPhone 8.
  11. andy.ringwood Suspended

    Nov 20, 2016
    Damn. This is a mammoth task. Please, take your time and don't put it on the back of the phone.
  12. slimothy Suspended


    May 31, 2011
    I'm sure the whole phone is difficult. I mean it's a challenge to build a completely new device, from the ground up. Not surprising that this is difficult. But they get paid the big bucks. Make it happen.
  13. zorinlynx macrumors 603


    May 31, 2007
    Florida, USA
    What's wrong with the current Touch ID design? It works so well that I can't think of any reason to mess with it.
  14. Gasu E. macrumors 601

    Gasu E.

    Mar 20, 2004
    Not far from Boston, MA.
    The article implies the design is functional, but the manufacturing yields are too low.
  15. nwcs macrumors 68000


    Sep 21, 2009
    It's also possible that the suppliers that they questioned had older information. If Apple is making progress, even if yields are lower right now, then they'll likely move forward with limited inventory or change their marketing strategy for the device.
  16. Dave245 macrumors 604


    Sep 15, 2013
    Please don't put Touch ID on the back of the iPhone. If they can't put it in the screen they should just delay it until they get it right.
  17. profets macrumors 601

    Mar 18, 2009
    Really, the Galaxy S8 has a fingerprint reader below the screen? I thought they pulled a classic Samsung with the design and put it next to the camera on the back so that you're bound to leave smudges on the lens.
  18. Dreamer2go macrumors 6502a

    Jun 23, 2007
  19. travelsheep macrumors 6502


    May 30, 2013
    Edge-to-edge display, thinner, under the display finger print sensor, and less ports is what users have been requesting by the millions! Apple will beam us into the future. Get your dongles and battery packs ready, innovation is happening ! :D
  20. Brookzy macrumors 601


    May 30, 2010
    This is a real nail-biter for Apple. Because what they really, certainly, cannot do, is have a fourth year with the 6-era industrial design. Keeping it for the 7 was pushing it.
  21. hawkeye_a macrumors 65816


    Jun 27, 2016
    Does anyone *really* care about this? Is there something "bad" about the current implementation of TouchID? And is there something all that great in integrating it into the display?

    This "feature" really sounds like a "cool engineering proof-of-concept", with little marketable value. IMHO (ie, with all the effort, time and money spent on this, will average consumers actually be "wowed"?)

    WTH happened with "3D touch"? I know i would have preferred to have had better battery life(or a refreshed iOS...on even a better Music app) instead of that gimmick.
  22. cloudness macrumors member

    Feb 10, 2008
    It's all for one step closer to reducing moving parts and completely waterproofing the iPhone.
  23. NMBob macrumors 6502a

    Sep 18, 2007
    New Mexico
    He's laying more pipe.
  24. nviz22 macrumors 603


    Jun 24, 2013
    Nothing wrong with putting the Touch ID Sensor on the back of the phone. It may not be convenient since you need to pick up a phone off a table or desk, but the emphasis is being put on facial/Iris detection. As long as the sensor is always on and doesn't need an active backlit screen to activate, it should be fine.
  25. Rogifan macrumors Core


    Nov 14, 2011
    Because the tech world has decided bezels are evil. If Apple releases another phone without reduced top and bottom bezels they will be killed by the tech press.

    I find it hard to believe it's mid-April and Apple doesn't yet know what path it's going to take for a September release. I call BS on this research note.
  26. T-Will macrumors 6502a


    Sep 8, 2008

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