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Maybe "touch" means new iPod touch XL! Since Steve said there'd never be a smaller iPad, maybe there'll be a bigger "touch." :)
 
Ok well since the iPad currently has a home button I think it's more appropriate to ask for reasoning/justification for why it should be removed. Is the home button really bothering anyone? Is it taking up unnecessary space? Why is a gesture better than the home button? Why didn't Apple just use gestures to begin with?

Duh...Technology has drastically changed over the years..
 
I understand that this is an introduction of the Ipad 3. But does the reference to "Touch" mean any other product updates (like an Ipod Touch related announcement?).

I think it's the other way around, where the 'see' is reference to an apple tv update (http://9to5mac.com/2012/02/12/apple...elves-could-see-an-update-next-month-as-well/) which we will see alongside an iTunes update for 1080p video (as well as design overhaul of store) which will be because of the new iPad 3s retina display as it will be able to view 1080p, where 'touch' is the iPad 3.

The reason being is that 'see' and 'touch' is in a different sentence and the word 'and' is used to separate them, meaning two different things?

That's what I think anyway....
 
Why didn't Apple just bring the latest generation iPod touch out as the first ever iPod?

Home button will go, might be on the next version, might be in ten but it will go. Not everyone will like it, but this follows the way Apple tend to refine things as I said in an earlier post.
 
What's wrong with them? They don't cater to people who select purchases on bizarre criteria, of course.

(A significant number of people, who would otherwise buy an iPad 3, will not do so without a home button? Come on.)

I was being ironic, but to humor you I don't think there's even a remote chance of them omitting the home button. :)
 
At last! Now the official countdown could begin. I hope there is a bit keynote, SJ style!!!

The "no home button" theory seems frightening true :(
 
Duh...Technology has drastically changed over the years..

So? Unless they're shrinking the bezel or coming out with some smart bezel what's the point of getting rid of the home button? I could think of a lot of things higher on the priority list than whether the home button stays or goes.
 
What's wrong with them? They don't cater to people who select purchases on bizarre criteria, of course.

(A significant number of people, who would otherwise buy an iPad 3, will not do so without a home button? Come on.)

Yeah, the whole no home button = no buy doesnt make sense. But I bet many people have just not been playing with the gestures in iOS 5.

I LOVE the idea of ditching the home button. As someone who has an intermittently functioning home button on the iPad 2 (it seems to require a few clicks at times to work from time to time), I know how great it will be not to have to worry about a home button at all.

If anything its a bit of an annoyance when I play games on the iPad, holding it in landscape mode and hitting it taking you out of the game.

So before anyone jumps on me saying you can use the gestures but the home button does you no harm, thats not entirely true.

Oh, and the 2nd thing is the home button is a dust magnet and shortens the life of screen protectors as you get dust around it and eventually into the protector.

So 2 negatives, and no positives. I say the home button can be eliminated!
 
-Just to throw this in as well - if they are looking to get rid of the home button it would make sense to do it regardless of the whether shrinking the bezel at present is feasible, then progressively shrink the bezel over time like the iMac. That way when they do they can draw all the attention to 'look at our shiny, tiny bezel' without the distraction of "look! no home button!', having already taken care of it.

Personally not bothered what they do with the home function so long as what ever's in store when you dive in is great!
 
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What's wrong with them? They don't cater to people who select purchases on bizarre criteria, of course.

(A significant number of people, who would otherwise buy an iPad 3, will not do so without a home button? Come on.)

Yeah, the whole no home button = no buy doesnt make sense. But I bet many people have just not been playing with the gestures in iOS 5.

I LOVE the idea of ditching the home button. As someone who has an intermittently functioning home button on the iPad 2 (it seems to require a few clicks at times to work from time to time), I know how great it will be not to have to worry about a home button at all.

If anything its a bit of an annoyance when I play games on the iPad, holding it in landscape mode and hitting it taking you out of the game.

So before anyone jumps on me saying you can use the gestures but the home button does you no harm, thats not entirely true.

Oh, and the 2nd thing is the home button is a dust magnet and shortens the life of screen protectors as you get dust around it and eventually into the protector.

So 2 negatives, and no positives. I say the home button can be eliminated!

Agreed!
 
Home button is not gone. It's obvious the shot was been taken at the start of the Ipad at the end with no button. Now the camera hole is in the middle so that suggests to me it's been hidden from shot. Why? HD cameras for Facetime?

Home button is required for Siri. :apple::D

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Plus the entire device has been leaked so it's probably to stir some hype.

If it had no home button there would be recent leaks to confirm it.
 
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Wish list (in order):

1) retina screen (obviously, check)
2) much improved processor and/or GPU. Don't care if it's quad core or not, I just don't want it to be woefully underpowered like the A4 was after one year.
3) HD video and FaceTime cameras. Don't care much about still photos, but 5-8 megapixel would certainly be a plus.
4) Better speakers (why is nobody talking about this?) stereo ideal, but louder a must. Would love it if it got to 85% of MacBook Air volume.
5) same battery life; sure 12-15 hours would be nice, but 10 is perfectly fine.
6) ipad2 weight, or lighter. iPad 1 is heavy (what I have) and iPad2 is borderline too heavy. Would love a bit lighter.
7) cool software surprises!?!

Let's face it... whatever it is, I'm buying the thing.
 
Oh, and the 2nd thing is the home button is a dust magnet and shortens the life of screen protectors as you get dust around it and eventually into the protector.

Yeah apple will take away the staple of their whole iOS line up cause they give a crap about screen protectors. :rolleyes:
 
I think the "And Touch" line refers to a tactile display. The technology exists and it's not even in some beta stages anymore, as you can see in the following video, it's already working in a tablet form factor on batteries, and that was in fall 2011! Just watch the video:

http://cnettv.cnet.com/senseg-demos-prototype-touch-feedback-technology/9742-1_53-50115714.html

This is the kind of innovation you only see in Apple products, and there is no reason for not implementing it, other than maybe cost and batterie drainage.
And it would make completely sense in combination with a new AppleTV.
Developers could for example use the iPad as a game controller, and could display tangible Buttons on the display. If Apple wants to dominate the TV market they have to compete with Xbox and Playstation.
But thats just one example, a tactile display is obviously good for a number of reasons!
 
So? Unless they're shrinking the bezel or coming out with some smart bezel what's the point of getting rid of the home button? I could think of a lot of things higher on the priority list than whether the home button stays or goes.

Buttons break. Fewer buttons, fewer things to break. And Steve hated buttons.
 
Yeah apple will take away the staple of their whole iOS line up cause they give a crap about screen protectors. :rolleyes:

You ignored the rest of what I said, namely:

1. Its just another part that can and DOES break (making the iPad more reliable/less warranty claims without a home button)

2. Its annoying to have a home button when playing games, as you accidentally hit it. It happens to me all the time.

The home button traps some dust regardless of whether you use a screen protector or not (I don't use one personally, but I have in the past). And the screen protector thing is just icing on the cake.

And how is a home button the "staple of iOS"? Its something people barely pay attention to or talk about unless its brought up. And as long as you can do the same functions with your fingers, people will forget quickly.

I dont recall the last time a discussion of iOS versus Android or even just iOS apps or user experiences focused on the function of the home button.
 
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Sleepymoose285 said:
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Wish list (in order):

1) retina screen (obviously, check)
2) much improved processor and/or GPU. Don't care if it's quad core or not, I just don't want it to be woefully underpowered like the A4 was after one year.
3) HD video and FaceTime cameras. Don't care much about still photos, but 5-8 megapixel would certainly be a plus.
4) Better speakers (why is nobody talking about this?) stereo ideal, but louder a must. Would love it if it got to 85% of MacBook Air volume.
5) same battery life; sure 12-15 hours would be nice, but 10 is perfectly fine.
6) ipad2 weight, or lighter. iPad 1 is heavy (what I have) and iPad2 is borderline too heavy. Would love a bit lighter.
7) cool software surprises!?!

Let's face it... whatever it is, I'm buying the thing.

3 points here that stuck out to me..
A4, speakers, and cool software surprises.
You are right about the A4 being under powered so quickly. I hope for something over kill.
We could always use bigger and better sound.
Cool new software? How about some new native iPad apps for weather, calculator and such. Would be nice.
 
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First, the button collects grease and dust and loses sensitivity over time. Apple has to replace units of those who encounter this issue.
Second, the iOS already supports 5-finger gesture to return to "Home" - fully leverage on Multitouch. Apple deliberately introduce this gesture in iOS to get people accustom to it.
Third, with 5-finger gesture, Apple can conserve space for larger battery and reduce the cost for including the device part.
 
Ok well since the iPad currently has a home button I think it's more appropriate to ask for reasoning/justification for why it should be removed. Is the home button really bothering anyone? Is it taking up unnecessary space? Why is a gesture better than the home button? Why didn't Apple just use gestures to begin with?

I agree. I'm curious why people are so adamant against it. Yes, I have had a home button that died quickly (I have a refurb that replaced that phone cause of it) so I realize the home button dies easily. But, this could be better fixed by... wait for it... them using a better quality home button. Or, alternatively a capacitive home button (but you realize that can fail too. Actually, so can your touch screen start to fail acknowledging touch. *ANYTHING* can fail. So to argue that they should get rid of the button cause it fails? Well, so can something else. The solution there is to get better quality parts that don't die so easily).

I suppose on an iPad a home button isn't so necessary (I was going to list reasons why I like having one on my iPhone and then I realized many of them you wouldn't do with an iPad, like being able to use it one handedly. iPad is just too big for that anyways). But I still think the act of pressing on a button is a lot easier/more convenient than having to do a gesture and hoping the iPad reads your gesture right.

Duh...Technology has drastically changed over the years..

So, just cause technology has changed doesn't mean that newer tech is better for some things than the older tech. I sure would take a physical keyboard any day over one that was just a glass screen and touch based (and I bet the people who disagree with me never learned how to touch type and have to look when they type. Cause otherwise you'd realize why being able to actually feel the keys is still superior over a glass screen).


I think the "And Touch" line refers to a tactile display. The technology exists and it's not even in some beta stages anymore, as you can see in the following video, it's already working in a tablet form factor on batteries, and that was in fall 2011! Just watch the video:

http://cnettv.cnet.com/senseg-demos-prototype-touch-feedback-technology/9742-1_53-50115714.html

This is the kind of innovation you only see in Apple products, and there is no reason for not implementing it, other than maybe cost and batterie drainage.
And it would make completely sense in combination with a new AppleTV.
Developers could for example use the iPad as a game controller, and could display tangible Buttons on the display. If Apple wants to dominate the TV market they have to compete with Xbox and Playstation.
But thats just one example, a tactile display is obviously good for a number of reasons!

Um, I disagree. No, I'm not some annoying android person that keeps bitching how Apple is not innovative or whatever. Apple is. But what they do is wait for the technology to be right and learn how to properly use it to make it useful. But very rarely do they have new technology that hasn't been used elsewhere. That is not their MO at all. They'll wait until the technology matures and they can use it how they want. They'll use it when they see an actual way it can be used to make using someting easier/more pleasant. Their innovation/creativity is being able to figure the best way to use that technology. Which I highly respect (see my above argument about how just cause it's new tech doesn't mean it is better than old tech for certain purposes).

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How about a capacitive, tactile pixel home button?

I could almost go for this, but I still would want it to be seperate from the screen so it's easy to find. I wouldnt' mind a capacitive home button (in fact I'd prefer it cause I have a feeling it would be more reliable than a mechanical one) if they at least put an indention where it is so you can find it just by feel.
 
I'm with him... Apple leaks things in a controlled way to build hype. They are THE MASTERS of hype. And if you think hype from Apple is only for Apple fans, you're wrong... It goes on most major news sites and newspapers, for example:
http://www.cnn.com/TECH/

Apple doesn't need that kind of cheap promotion.
 
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