Apple Issues Invitations for Media Event on September 12

[Azzin]

A 6 in the title would indicate that too, if they called it the 6 people would as for it. Please note, I'm not suggestion "iPhone 6". Marketing would be better to have a 6, it's the 6th revision! "It's the 2012 model, it doesn't matter if we changed it, it's the new model."

With your logic marketing would have been better to called last years a 5.

And the second iPhone had a 3 (3g) in the title (and then a 3gs).

Again, the iPad 3 would have made sense with marketing too. But that's not what they did.

People having the (6th) iPhone 5 running iOS 6 is a support (marketing?) nightmare too. Maybe not nightmare but clearly confusion. People cant keep straight Windows and Office versions ("I've got Windows 2003" or better yet "I've got Microsoft 2000").

Gary

I think you're applying too much "logic" for the average high street consumer, they won't know/care what literal model iteration they're holding (and Apple doesn't want/need them to).

All Apple need you to know (so you can tell others and do their marketing for them), is that it's the latest iPhone.

Mathematical versions are not important to Apple, it just comes down to keeping it simple for their customers.

Here's something I posted earlier:

Isn't the naming convention like a car?

A BMW 3 series for example, has various incarnations, so does the iPhone.

So we've had:

iPhone.
iPhone 3G (3 Series).
iPhone 3GS (still the 3 series).
iPhone 4 (4 Series).
iPhone 4S (still the 4 series).

And now the iPhone 5 (5 series).

It's a series range, not a specific model number relating to which specific version it is mathematically.

 

[thisrocks]

In every country aside from America, this is the iPhone 5.

Most of us only got the 3G as our first one.

 

[eseedo]

colorful 5

I hope everyone noticed that the 5 is a colorful one, so that means we can get colorful iPhone5 ?????????

 

[KnightWRX]

Here's something I posted earlier:

Where's the 2 series ?

You know what would make even more sense ? If Apple just dropped the suffix. No other product line they have now uses them, not even the iPad anymore (which is now just plain "iPad").

MacBook, iPod Nano, iPod Touch, iMac, Mac Mini, iPad... No numbers, no 3G, no Galaxy S III Epic 4G Zeta Gundam-AGE-FX-Strike-Justice.

 

[Azzin]

Where's the 2 series ?

You know what would make even more sense ? If Apple just dropped the suffix. No other product line they have now uses them, not even the iPad anymore (which is now just plain "iPad").

MacBook, iPod Nano, iPod Touch, iMac, Mac Mini, iPad... No numbers, no 3G, no Galaxy S III Epic 4G Zeta Gundam-AGE-FX-Strike-Justice.

The 2 series never existed.

Original iPhone was 2G, but they didn't really want to advertise the fact that it wasn't 3G, as they knew their next model would carry 3G, so it was just "iPhone".

Then they wanted to play on the 3G, so a 3 made sense.

Following on from there, it was logical to name their newer model would become a 4 and the next model a 4S.

So I think what started as a play on 3G, became the foundation for model naming (in a series, rather than a "logical", follow on mathematical number).

[Edit] - With regards to dropping the suffix, I don't think this will happen with the iPhone as it's their flagship product and they want the world to have one and tell other people that they've clearly got the latest model (5 in this instance).

 

[SirHaakon]

MacBook, iPod Nano, iPod Touch, iMac, Mac Mini, iPad... No numbers.

And those products don't sell a fraction of what the portable products do. Having a number makes people want the newest version; "oh, you have a 3? I'm getting the 4!" You can't do that readily with a Macbook.

The iPad is (now) the notable exception to the above, but we haven't had two releases yet of the iPad without a number. Everyone calls "the new iPad" the iPad 3 anyway. That's because it's much easier to keep track of the version - and it's all about consumer recognition. I think people are right that they likely dropped the version number for the iPad to reduce confusion with the forthcoming iPad Mini, but I think it's a poor choice.

 

[Menel]

I think you're applying too much "logic" for the average high street consumer, they won't know/care what literal model iteration they're holding (and Apple doesn't want/need them to).

and do their marketing for them), is that it's the latest iPhone.

Mathematical versions are not important to Apple, it just comes down to keeping it simple for their customers.

Here's something I posted earlier:

yes, but I'm not sure logic is the word, and no maths are involved when sequentially naming products.

In the SDK... The device IDs are thus
Iphone1,1 /original
Iphone1,2 /3G
Iphone2,1 /3GS
Iphone3,1 /4
Iphone4,1 /4S
Iphone5,1 /?????

Wonder what their internal R&D guys call the iPhone5.

 

[KnightWRX]

The iPad is (now) the notable exception to the above, but we haven't had two releases yet of the iPad without a number.

Sure we did. The original iPad and the new iPad.

 

[prezasti]

Am I the only one hoping the 5 refers to 5 new products? iPhone, iPod, iPad mini, iMac and rMBP?

I think you could be right, but I think the products will be as follows:


iPod shiffle
iPod nano
iPod touch
iPhone
iPad mini

 

[RipeRetina]

Everyone wants that new retina display iMac. Why? What do you think the retina iMac will be able to do that the retina Macbook Pro can't? Besides a bigger screen.

 

[eliomendes]

Basic...

The reason that is a "5" on shadow is because was on September 5 that Apple sent the invitations, and the image is a game of dates, 12 is when is going to be presented and five is when it apple sent the invitations and have confirmed the official date

 

[garylapointe]

So let's assume the only announcement is the new iPhone...

We had significant changes from the 4 to 4s:

• speed
• 8MP Camera
• newer 3 lens system
• HSPA
• 64GB option
• 1080p video (plus 1080p out), image stabilization
• CDMA
• BlueTooth 4.0
• AirPlay mirroring
• Siri
• and other minor enhancements

I think the number of functional changes from the 4-4s might be more than we'll get from the 4s to this year's model.

Besides an extra row of icons with a little more real-estate and LTE, what are we really getting with the new iPhone?

Obviously we can assume it'll get faster (don't care what the processor is named or cored, I just assume more throughput). A new (incompatible) charging connector, which only excites me if it's Thunderbolt (actually, I'd probably be happy with USB 3.0); but if the new connector doesn't snap in, I can't use a lanyard any more

Gary

 

[sesnir]

The iPhone 4 was both the fourth iPhone and a major case (and display) change from the two iPhones with a '3' in them. The iPhone 5 will be a clear case and display change from the two iPhones with a '4' in them. How is that not a clear pattern?

There have been four case designs, (1) original iPhone, (2) 3G + 3GS, (3) 4 + 4S, and now (4) 5 (+5S?). Naming the 3G 3G was opportunistic, it described a feature not a case design. Naming the 4 4 was also opportunistic, it coincided with being the fourth model and a different case design from the two models with a 3 in them. We now have two models with the same case design and the same digit in them and a new case design with a 5 in the name.

Two phones does not make a clear pattern. iPhone 5 may make sense after iPhone 4, but you're completely ignoring the first 3 iPhones.

I know... It makes sense that they'd increment the number with each case re-design from now on, but I'm just commenting on the fact that they went from naming their phones based on tech specs to naming them based on a nonsense number that didn't even start at 1.

It'd be like a brand new phone coming out with the name "Super Phone 3". Or a movie called Naked Gun 33 1/3rd.

There's no misunderstanding here. I know why they're doing what they're doing. The fact is that it's inconsistent.

 

[Jimbo47]

This thread is 48 pages of people arguing what a company they don't even work for should name their product. Who cares? Just buy it, and enjoy it.

 

[jimgaff8]

What about t-mobile ...

Has anyone heard whether T-Mobile will be picking up the new  iPhone ... now that they've upgraded their 4G LTE network to accommodate such a device. Just wondering. I've been patient as a long time T-Mobile customer.

 

[Geckotek]

Has anyone heard whether T-Mobile will be picking up the new  iPhone ... now that they've upgraded their 4G LTE network to accommodate such a device. Just wondering. I've been patient as a long time T-Mobile customer.

I wanna say they released something clarifying that they wouldn't be getting it this time. I definitely recall them putting out a document on how to sell against the iPhone.

 

[Menel]

I wanna say they released something clarifying that they wouldn't be getting it this time. I definitely recall them putting out a document on how to sell against the iPhone.

Inconclusive. Verizon and ATT both push customers away from iphone in their local stores because profit margin Is much thinner for them than android devices.

 

[Fraaaa]

Oh noes! A 5!

The iPhone 6 trolls will be vanquished forever, driven back to their caves of lunacy by a shimmering sword of common sense!

Where is the common sense with the '5'?

Where's the 2 series ?

You know what would make even more sense ? If Apple just dropped the suffix. No other product line they have now uses them, not even the iPad anymore (which is now just plain "iPad").

MacBook, iPod Nano, iPod Touch, iMac, Mac Mini, iPad... No numbers, no 3G, no Galaxy S III Epic 4G Zeta Gundam-AGE-FX-Strike-Justice.

This is what I expected after seeing the new iPad. Then there will be the new iPhone.

iPhone '5' shouldn't be existing.

 

[doelcm82]

Where is the common sense with the '5'?

It's common sense because of the consensus. Despite the fact that Apple hasn't announced the name, most people understand that when you say "iPhone 5", you are referring to the product that Apple will be announcing on the 12th. If you said "iPhone 6", many would think you were referring to the one that will be released next year, or the year after (if the '5' is followed by the '5S').

iPhone '5' shouldn't be existing.

But it is, Blanche!

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There's no misunderstanding here. I know why they're doing what they're doing. The fact is that it's inconsistent.

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.

 

[jimgaff8]

If I May ...

The reason that is a "5" on shadow is because was on September 5 that Apple sent the invitations, and the image is a game of dates, 12 is when is going to be presented and five is when it apple sent the invitations and have confirmed the official date

I'd like to put in my $2.57 (it used to be 2¢) … the invitation: 12 - the date of this release party. 5 - the release of the iPhone 5. I believe this is an individual release of the iPhone 5 … with other products being released later in Oct. Let's watch for another fun & different invitation.
Though it is using iOS 6, this is the iPhone 5. (--it happens.) As was the iPhone 4S and the iPhone 4. If there's a software package to be updated prior to the release of a new hardware design, so be it. It only behoves the consumer. Besides it's getting late in the game to continue to rebrand your product identity. Soon we'll be looking at just the "iPhone" … the public will not care if they call it an iPhone or the iPhone 7.12. Apple has the Mac Pro, the MacBook Pro, the iMac, etc. … the iPhone. We may see the "5" or future number, dropped.
Just my opinion … today. peace.

 

[chrmjenkins]

Inconclusive. Verizon and ATT both push customers away from iphone in their local stores because profit margin Is much thinner for them than android devices.

I disagree. When you're an operator with high churn and a shrinking customer base, I don't think you sell against any phone you offer.

 

[Surely]

To add to the speculation, I think that the "5" refers to Subway $5 foot-longs that they will be selling at the event. Makes sense to me.

Hopefully that jingle is now stuck in all of your heads.....

 

[garylapointe]

Really? Nobody? As a test question ("nobody seemed to get confused") that would be marked as FALSE as it's not really provable. Many kids with smarts will tell you "every", "all", "none" and the assorted are generally false (unless it's a math question); notice how I didn't say "all kids".

That's because everyone(!) knows the 4s is the 5th phone.

No, not everyone knows the 4S is the 5th iPhone. Ask any random iPhone user who's not a member of this forum and I guarantee you they won't know what generation it is. They do know, however, that 4S comes after 4 and logic will tell them that 5 comes after 4S. It's not that difficult to understand.

Sigh... Go back and read the paragraph before the sentence you quoted out of context (where you are referencing "everyone(!)"). I specifically said people shouldn't say things like "every" and "all" and then in the next sentence, I (sarcastically) said "everyone" with an exclamation point"(!)".

You do realize you could just go on most forums for most topics and tell anyone that used the word "everyone" that they are wrong, right?

Do you really think that most people mean 6,000,000,000+ people when they say "everyone"? Do you think they are seriously implying they they have surveyed everyone?

While at the same time you are "guaranteeing" any random user outside the forum wouldn't know that? Seriously?

Please note, I'm not discussing this with people outside the forum, I'm discussing it here with everyone in this forum. With people who have seriously strong feelings that the 6th phone should be called the 5, not people who have no idea or thoughts on the topic.

Gary

 

[Menel]

I disagree. When you're an operator with high churn and a shrinking customer base, I don't think you sell against any phone you offer.

!!!!
Thats even more reason to be concerned that your sales people are pushing the options with the best profit margin.

 

[garylapointe]

In every country aside from America, this is the iPhone 5.

Most of us only got the 3G as our first one.

That's an interesting thought!

Was anyone confused when the 3rd phone (in the above scenario) was called the iPhone 4? I'm sure one or two.

My first iPhone was the 3gs. Then I got the 4th and 5th iPhones too. The 5th (4s) had enough features and I wanted 64GB so I did the upgrade. I think I'll be skipping this year...

Gary