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I hope the iPad 3 gets a lightning remap, having the iPad (3) as the only current Apple device still using the old 30-pin dock feels rather stupid, I would be more than happy selling my iPad (3) 64GB WiFi + Cellular and pick up a iPad (3) 32GB, or even 16GB WiFi + Cellular with a lightning connector.


After I got myself a iPhone 5 for both me and my girlfriend having to keep the 30-pin cable around just for the iPad feels kinda silly and stupid.


I highly doubt it will get a Apple A6 chip though, not because the CPU performance would increase but because the graphics performance would decrease which the retina display certainly don't need. Perhaps they'll do a Apple A6X for the iPad sporting a Power SGX543MP4 instead of the A6's SGX543MP3.
 
Extimendo my friend. And that's why come Father Christmas day I'll be unwrapping a Nexus 7 or Fire HD. Because here in good ol blighty I can only see the new Mini starting at best from the same £250 range but more realistically from £300, ESPECIALLY if they ditch the iPad 2, mind you, if they start from £250 and actually have the balls to give it 8GB of ram I'll laugh hard..

Can't say I disagree – I owned an iPad 2 and upgraded to the 'New iPad', but solid it for a Nexus 7 a couple of months ago. Haven't looked back!
 
And I think that's the minimum they will need to do. they maybe don't need to make it ultra high res Retina, but they cannot get away with 1024x768 they used before. Not these day's. I think 1280x960 would be pretty good, what's the PPI of that on a 7.85" screen?

203 ppi.....

Kindle Fire HD - 216 ppi
Nexus 7 - 216 ppi
Nook HD - 243 ppi


I'm hoping they go something like 1536x1152 (1.5 times the iPad 2 resolution). That gives 245 ppi and would be considered retina
 
They won't just go a random number on the resolution, they need to keep it on context with their existing devices to prevent fragmentation for developers and applications.
 
203 ppi.....

Kindle Fire HD - 216 ppi
Nexus 7 - 216 ppi
Nook HD - 243 ppi


I'm hoping they go something like 1536x1152 (right between the iPad 2 and 3 resolutions). That gives 245 ppi and would be considered retina

203 PPI would be decent, it's not like you need to have the highest resolution out there as long as your naked eye can't sense the pixels on the display, it's way more important to cherry pick the right high quality IPS-panels with high colour gamut and good calibrated colours and not just go all out on pixel count alone.
 
Thank god, please go back up AAPL.

I think that this event is set for disappointment.

Nexus7 and KindleFireHD own the small tablet from factor - and as rumor has it the large form factor will receive a new and mighty competitor (that costs 100 bucks less)

MS Surface RT

Actually Apple has to use some of their trademarked magic to make them look good IMHO.
 
203 PPI would be decent, it's not like you need to have the highest resolution out there as long as your naked eye can't sense the pixels on the display, it's way more important to cherry pick the right high quality IPS-panels with high colour gamut and good calibrated colours and not just go all out on pixel count alone.

Sure - but the N7 screen is noticably worse than the iPad 3 screen. Apple also prides itself on the display quality - why would they NOT be the best out there as they have been with each product they make?

1280x960 is also a pretty arbitrary resolution in that it doesn't match cleanly with the iPad's other resolutions. Either they figure out how to find a middle ground between the iPad 2 and 3 or they mail it in and got with the crappy 1024x768....which will lose my purchase.

Not that it's that important to me - lol I just want one as a toy. I do sometimes wish my iPad 3 was smaller but that screen won't let me use any other tablet.

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I think that this event is set for disappointment.

Nexus7 and KindleFireHD own the small tablet from factor - and as rumor has it the large form factor will receive a new and mighty competitor (that costs 100 bucks less)

MS Surface RT

Actually Apple has to use some of their trademarked magic to make them look good IMHO.

Surface RT won't hurt iPad sales in the slightest....Android tablets should be worried though. Their market share will get eaten up.

Apple with about 65-70%
Android with about 15-20%
MS with 10-15%
 
What is everyone's thoughts on the screen resolution for the iPad mini? I have some ideas:

The iPad 2 (1024x768) is 132 ppi while the iPad 3 (2048x1536) is 254 ppi. Putting either of the those resolutions in the iPad mini creates problems - either you put the iPad 2 res. in and you're left with 163 ppi, more than 50 ppi less than you competition (and in the Nook HD's case almost 100 ppi less) OR you go with the iPad 3 screen (a whopping 326 ppi) and the device costs too much.

SO

You go with the middle: 1536x1152. It is exactly halfway between the two iPad screen resolutions so scaling apps shouldn't be too difficult AND it yields an impressive 245 ppi making it the best 7" tablet screen on the market.

They would be able to market it as such - justifying a higher price tag ($299 for 16GB?) while also satisfying those who want a nice Apple display (a war Apple itself started). The pros of the iPad 3 (and up) will still be power (A# vs. A#X chip), battery life and overall size (for those who need the screen real estate). Also the iPad "pro" will still have the best tablet display on the market.

What do ya'll think?

Agree with you, if the case is that the iPad Mini has a 4:3 display ratio.

Do you personally believe it will be 4:3 or 16:9? I'm not sure personally, but if I were to take a guess it would be 16:9.
 
So far this fall we have:
NEW iPhone models in 2 colors with 3 configurations each
NEW iPod models in a rainbow of colors
NEW iPod shuffles with 8 different colors
NEW iPod touch Models in 6 colors, 12 configurations

and coming next week

NEW iPad models in a rainbow of colors, 24 different configurations

NEW Mac Book Pro with retina
NEW iMac models refreshed less than a year ago.
NEW mac Mini models last updated last year.

Obviously Apple is very busy keeping up with all their disposable toys that go obsolete every 6 months.

I would trade in all of this garbage for ONE SINGLE MAC PRO TOWER UPDATE!
Ill make it easy, skip the skittles candy rainbow color scheme, plain old aluminum will do just fine!

Is this really too much for Apple?!

They want people to pay for Final Cut X, yet wont release a computer than can properly handle it! What average consumer will ever use Thunderbolt or even USB 3?! These technologies were designed for professional users yet their flagship PROFESSIONAL COMPUTER is stuck on Usb2! and to add insult to injury it is generations behind in processors and graphics!

Real Pro users livelihoods depend on having the fastest and most advanced technology for their business so they can compete, yet Apple, except for a minor speed bump, has not released anything worthy of a professional device in nearly 3 years!!!

Do any of you in Cupertino remember the FACT that Apple WOULD NOT EXIST were it not for all of the professional designers and video artists that drove your company to where it is today!

Does anyone at Apple remember when your website and flashy TV ads were all about your PROFESSIONAL computers!?

Glad you are making billions a day on your toys, but please sell those at Toys R US and get back to making computers for professionals!

Blah, blah. Who cares about a couple thousand users compared to millions?
 
Haven't read the thread much, but do we have a count of people still saying it's not happening :D?

Been looking forward to iPad mini since the first rumours, it always made so much sense, and as it should have lightning, a good time to enter the market - bring it.
 
Agree with you, if the case is that the iPad Mini has a 4:3 display ratio.

Do you personally believe it will be 4:3 or 16:9? I'm not sure personally, but if I were to take a guess it would be 16:9.

I'm not sure. I'd lean more toward 4:3 just because it would be simpler. But 16:9 would put it more in line with other 7" offerings. If that were the case we'd be looking more at a resolution of something near 1673x940 (at the same 245 ppi) or if they scaled up the iPhone 5 resolution 1.5x it would be 1704x960 (250 ppi)
 
Well, and from my understanding, most Chinese workers do not celebrate the November and December holidays we celebrate in the US. Brazil might be a different story - I'm not terribly familiar with the importance of religion in Brazilian life.

Brazil is mostly Catholic, due to it originally being a colony of Portugal. Portuguese in the language they speak. Their flavor of Catholicism is influenced by many native factors. They have freedom of religion just like we do and the government stays out of the way. They also have a ton of other religions like we do. Bahai, Mormons, etc. Sorry to go on so long, but to answer your question...
Yes, they do celebrate Xmas. They most likely get Xmas eve and Xmas day off from the factory grind.
 
203 ppi.....

Kindle Fire HD - 216 ppi
Nexus 7 - 216 ppi
Nook HD - 243 ppi


I'm hoping they go something like 1536x1152 (1.5 times the iPad 2 resolution). That gives 245 ppi and would be considered retina

I think that would be ok for a good quality screen. I have seen reviewers comments about the Fire HD's screen range from not much better then the Nexus 7 to a lot better and incredibly good. But everyones eye's are different. So if they can make it 203 and very good quality they be alright? But as someone else said, it depends on any possible fragmentation with the DEVS too.
 
this invitation clearly (as with other invitations) has an "encoded" message. The original iPad event's invitation back in 2010 was of a white Apple logo with paint splatter and it read "Come see our latest creation." This invitation shows us the same white logo zoomed in with same style paint splatter and it reads "We've got a little more to show you." 2 messages: It has something to do with an iPad. And, it the word little his a hint.

I know most of you probably already got this but I just find it awesome how Apple does these invites. And if you didn't get it, I hope I helped.

So the pic is not an Apple ass spewing out the surface and android crap like turds and diarrhea?
 
Only Little More to Show?

How is this event gonna be a "Little More to Show" ?

Rumored reveals:
1) iPad mini (with E-books update/revamp)
2) 13-inch Retina MacBook Pro
3) Updated Mac mini models
4) Updated iMacs

Seems like quite a Lot to show really....
 
That's exactly what Apple will do next year. Sell "last years iPad". That's what they did with the iPad to iPad 2 transition, and now with the iPad 2 & 3.

No. The iPad 2 replaced the iPad (original version). There was no $399 version prior to the iPad 2012 showing up.


"... Horwitz offers a $399 base price for the iPad 2 as a possibility, although that number appears to be pure speculation. ... "
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1303980/

" ... Apple has announced it will sell the iPad 2 alongside the new iPad, with last year's model tumbling to a more palatable price of $399 for the WiFi-only model, .... That entry-level price in particular puts it in more direct competition with a slew of mid-range tabs that previously undercut the iPad, including the Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus and others. ..."
http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/07/apple-drops-ipad-2-price-to-399/

You are rewritinig the iPhone history for the iPad history. It isn't the same. Apple never introduced a 'smaller' iPhone at a lower price point.


It's what they've done with the iPhone line since the iPhone 3G/3GS. I'm not sure I follow your disbelief they will continue to do so.

There is a distinction between iPhone and iPad. The major difference is that there is no phone device below the iPhone. For the iPad the iPad mini will sit between the iPod touch and the iPad. The Touch at $299 $399 and the iPad at $499-$899 there is only a small gap to sell the mini into. Cluttering that price range with "last year's product" is not what Apple does across their product line. They don't sell last years Macs. Where they do there is either a gap or a large subsidized pricing difference ( and folks buying the phones on 2 yr contracts. If broken over those two years will need replacements of same model. ).

The 3GS is around because iPhones are extremely expensive phones. The only way to get traction in non-subsidized markets is to have a more affordable phone around. There are two ways to an affordable phone. One is to purposely build one. Second is to sell old tech. Outside of the phone subsidy market it is different context in the latter case.


For example, "last year's iPod touch " sells below the current Touch prices but above the iPod mini prices. It is old but it is above-below the other flash based iPod offerings. Next year when the screen techology has higher margins those "old tech" iPod Touch will probably disappear. (the $399 Touch is huge stretch on pricing. They'll get away with that this year but next .... not so sure.)

If Apple manages to get the entry iPad mini to start at $299 then a pricing sequence of 299, 399, 499 would be the price points on the 3 memory steps (e.g., 8/16/32 or 16/32/64). Throw in the $130 radio variances for cellular and there is tons of overlap with the iPad 2.


Apple knows that there is a huge group of people out there that are price sensitive and are OK with last year's technology. Even with the iPad mini as a low cost option, many will still want the larger 10" screen.

You pay less and you get less. Outside of contract pricing devices Apple has never been a big fan of selling last years tech at reduced prices. People may want a 10" screen, but outside of refurb and used that isn't necesssarily Apple is fond of doing (since the disastrous 90's ) . That's artificial cannibalism. That iPad 2 and iPad mini engaging in unnecessary fratricide doesn't do much for Apple.


Ultimately Apple can't get the iPad mini in the $300 price range without making some sacrifices in specs. Shrinking the screen, case and battery alone won't get them there cost-wise.

Apple doesn't have to make any quality scrafices. You need less battery because don't have to light up as much screen (nor power as heavy a GPU). Smaller screens generally cost less ( unless invert ppi density or something like that). Less aluminum in case .... costs less.


The optimist in me says they will go "Retina" seeing as how the "budget" tablets have impressive ppi numbers. If they don't match that they will have a hard time differentiating the mini and justifying the premium.

They'll have a relatively easy time pointing to the different since app ecosystem. Optimized iPad apps will run unchanged on the iPad mini. They'll just appear a bit smaller on the screen.

The iPad mini is largely going to compete with the iPod Touch (mini is bigger and has optional celluar connectivity ) and iPad ( it is smaller and lighter to hold in one hand. ).


I agree that Apple isn't trying to race to the bottom to compete with the 7" $199 tablets, but they are most certainly trying to go after many of the same consumers that are currently buying those tablets.

No they aren't. Those consumers don't want to pay. $300+ for devices. Apple really isn't going to have anything significant for them. (even $299 + tax is going to be over $300).
 
How is this event gonna be a "Little More to Show" ?

Rumored reveals:
1) iPad mini (with E-books update/revamp)
2) 13-inch Retina MacBook Pro
3) Updated Mac mini models
4) Updated iMacs

Seems like quite a Lot to show really....

Little = Mini...get it?
 
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