Apple Issues Statement Over Day 1 'Maps' Glitches, Maps Team Reportedly Under Lockdown to Fix Issues

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I know, that's what I was saying, the article as written is mistaken, everyone knows it's cloud-based, all mapping solutions over the Internet basically are.



That's exactly what crowd-sourcing is. Think Wikipedia. It's not clear how Apple's solution is crowd-source though. Some of it comes from the fact it uses OpenStreetMaps for certain areas, which is a community project you can contribute to.

thanks for the info, that clears things up!

 

[dv8r]

What? Never said you can't replace stock apps on Android. All i said was there are alternatives until this gets fixed.

I did in my comment - the one you commented on... boy that got complex really fast.

Are You talking about Wuze? They have no data for most of Denmark where I live. Your comment seems to suggest that there are "as good" alternatives when there clearly aren't - this is based on what app is integrated into the system. By your account google maps through safari has surpassed even the old maps app, but that's not a better solution - that's a workaround.

Feel free to reply, I'll be banned in a few but will be back with another username

Don't feed the trolls - Apple seems to invoke to many feelings sometimes.

 

[The Phazer]

there are alternatives to use until Apple fixes this. You manually input the address into another app till the built in one is fixed.

Do you think apple is going to say "sorry guys we dropped the ball and are shutting down all development on maps" or are they going to fix it based on the complaints?

They're not going to be able to fix it, so yes, hopefully.

 

[samcraig]

That's exactly what crowd-sourcing is. Think Wikipedia. It's not clear how Apple's solution is crowd-source though. Some of it comes from the fact it uses OpenStreetMaps for certain areas, which is a community project you can contribute to.

I have to assume (perhaps incorrectly) that based on (at least) Yelp check ins, they are gathering data and/or via the "report problem" function of maps.

I'm not sure what the solution would have been. Using crowd sourcing - there's no way for Apple to gather data without releasing the app. But by releasing the app - it's way too apparent it's still very much a beta product masquerading as a replacement app.

If they released it as a stand alone download and kept google - who would use Apple's solution and help the crowd sourcing?

But ultimately - it's all the bad and/or incorrectly parsed data that they purchased with their acquisitions.

 

[dv8r]

Well, what is your point?

That something being crowd-sourced isn't the differentiator between OpenStreetMap and Google.

 

[subsonix]

That something being crowd-sourced isn't the differentiator between OpenStreetMap and Google.

I don't believe I said that it was? But ultimately, it's what allows something of this scale to be up to date and have a lot of local details.

 

[riverfreak]

They need to emphasize the crowd sourcing nature of Maps, making the submit correction button more prominent, for example, or allowing misplaced pins for search results to be repositioned with new coords sent back to source (TomTom or OpenStreetMap.

I confess, I didn't read through the 800+ posts in the thread before making my comment.

 

[dv8r]

Sorry did not know you were outside the us. I know it's not a solution and it is a workaround, but what other choice do you have? Return your phone? I'm not downplaying the problem, I'm downplaying the reaction to the problem as if Apple is going to close up shop and just give up on maps. They'll be fine.

I think abandoning IOS is a serious alternative - and a discussion to be had. If a great deal of things revolve around specific functionality and that functionality isn't there anymore should you choose something different or eat it up?

You think Apple will be fine? I can live with that but it isn't my main concern, mine is usage of the device and the apps - does it look like they knew what they were getting into with maps? No. Will they be able to make it useful? I really doubt it. Will it ever be as good as Google Maps? No.

A lot of people seem to think this thing will be on-par in a short while, i'm really curious on what they base this belief on.

 

[danpass]

I have faith they'll get the issues cleared up.

they could have done it BEFORE releasing it








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[positivelyapple]

I think abandoning IOS is a serious alternative - and a discussion to be had. If a great deal of things revolve around specific functionality and that functionality isn't there anymore should you choose something different or eat it up?

You think Apple will be fine? I can live with that but it isn't my main concern, mine is usage of the device and the apps - does it look like they knew what they were getting into with maps - no? Will they be able to make it useful? I really doubt it. Will it ever be as good as Google Maps? No

A lot of people seem to think this thing will be on-par in a short while, i'm really curious on what they base this belief on.

I believe abandoning it is an alternative too. No one says it's not. If this is a make or break feature for you, and you absolutely can't wait for a fix, then why wouldn't you abandon it? Don't be an apologist like many Android users are. If you see a flaw with ios that doesn't suit your needs, then switch to another os.

Don't make excuses and hang on if you can't stand it and try to convince yourself that you can. That's what Android users do with their glitchy os.

i don't think ios6 is for you, sincerely. So you probably should switch.

 

[samcraig]

I believe abandoning it is an alternative too. No one says it's not. If this is a make or break feature for you, and you absolutely can't wait for a fix, then why wouldn't you abandon it? Don't be an apologist like many Android users are. If you see a flaw with ios that doesn't suit your needs, then switch to another os.

Don't make excuses and hang on if you can't stand it and try to convince yourself that you can. That's what Android users do with their glitchy os.

i don't think ios6 is for you, sincerely. So you probably should switch.

This has nothing to do with Android or Android users. And I would say that people, in general, regardless of OS are reluctant to change and/or adapt as best they can because they might have time and money invested in an ecosystem that they aren't willing to abandon. Regardless of how upset they might be. That doesn't mean they can't complain or that they NEED to switch to anything else.

It's a fools argument to say "if you don't like it - switch." While often true - it's extremely black and white.

 

[d21mike]

A lot of people seem to think this thing will be on-par in a short while, i'm really curious on what they base this belief on.

I have been using it since it's beta release and in some ways it is not only on-par but FAR superior. At least can you open your mine just a little to understand my point of view? I live in Southern California and the map data must be fine for my location because it always give me the correct directions. I have ran side by side comparisons of it against my Car's built in Navigation System and my Navigon App and it is very accurate in comparison. I do think it will get better because I have notice it getting better over the last few months.

So why do I feel it is already superior to the prior Maps App is because I only use it for Navigation from point A to point B and I drive mostly alone. The prior maps app was useless for this purpose (no voice commands for turn by turn). I also do not use street view so that for me is useless. Not saying street view is not a nice feature but if your main use is GPS Navigation then I think giving that up is easy for me.

Again, if the Map Data is not accurate in all parts of the US, I believe that can be fixed and will not take forever to do it. Maybe even some software fixes are needed which does not take that long.

 

[positivelyapple]

This has nothing to do with Android or Android users. And I would say that people, in general, regardless of OS are reluctant to change and/or adapt as best they can because they might have time and money invested in an ecosystem that they aren't willing to abandon. Regardless of how upset they might be. That doesn't mean they can't complain or that they NEED to switch to anything else.

It's a fools argument to say "if you don't like it - switch." While often true - it's extremely black and white.

Have you been following the discussion? Clearly not. The poster said he's considering switching and i said if it's a make or break feature and he can't wait he should switch?

Where exactly did i say if you don't like it switch as a black and white suggestion. Try to keep up or you look like the fool.

 

[samcraig]

Have you been following the discussion? Clearly not. The poster said he's considering switching and i said if it's a make or break feature and he can't wait he should switch?

Where exactly did i say if you don't like it switch as a black and white suggestion. Try to keep up or you look like the fool.

I'm following the conversation fine unless I missed a post. So if you could take a break from name calling merely to incite another poster (against forum rules BTW) perhaps you can quote where he said he was considering switching. Thanks

 

[positivelyapple]

I'm following the conversation fine unless I missed a post. So if you could take a break from name calling merely to incite another poster (against forum rules BTW) perhaps you can quote where he said he was considering switching. Thanks

He said he thinks abandoning the os is an alternative.

Are you a pseudo mod too? Please don't outreach forum rules to me, thanks. Like i said, report me if you're crying, they'll ban me and I'll reregister.

 

[samcraig]

He said he thinks abandoning the os is an alternative.

Are you a pseudo mod too? Please don't outreach forum rules to me, thanks. Like i said, report me if you're crying, they'll ban me and I'll reregister.

Did he say HE was considering abandoning the OS or that an alternative, in general, would be to abandon the OS?

Actually - instead of YOU answering, I'd like dv8r to clarify what he meant. No need for you or I to assume.

 

[Schmitty11]

Apple has 7,000 fewer people working on mas than Google does.

Source: http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-has-7000-fewer-people-working-on-maps-than-google-2012-9

 

[samcraig]

Apple has 7,000 fewer people working on mas than Google does.

Source: http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-has-7000-fewer-people-working-on-maps-than-google-2012-9

Well technically - with crowd-sourcing, Apple now has "millions" or people doing their work for them

 

[subsonix]

Apple has 7,000 fewer people working on mas than Google does.

Source: http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-has-7000-fewer-people-working-on-maps-than-google-2012-9

But Apple is using other companies to get the data from, how many people do these organizations have working on maps in total?

You can see the sources they use in the app btw, it looks like 30-40 organizations all in all.

 

[dv8r]

Have you been following the discussion? Clearly not. The poster said he's considering switching and i said if it's a make or break feature and he can't wait he should switch?

Where exactly did i say if you don't like it switch as a black and white suggestion. Try to keep up or you look like the fool.

Actually You misread a great deal of my reply - I said: I think abandoning/switching is a discussion to be had (and I presented my arguments for why I think Apple Maps will be a dud). This means that you (in general) should be allowed to evaluate what solution best suits your needs and make a decision based on that.

I do see people jumping in here (like you did) being some sort of "Apple savior" and yelling down everybody trying to make an "informed" decision. This is why things aren't black and white - you don't know **** about IOS being for me or not, but you just had to make an Android comment - it was eating you up huh?

 

[subsonix]

A lot of people seem to think this thing will be on-par in a short while, i'm really curious on what they base this belief on.

The fact that the data sources they use by them selves works correctly, and that the maps are missing information that is available from those sources. That suggests that the data i available but not coordinated correctly into the app yet. That is an entirely different type of problem than lack of data. I don't think they would attempt this without first making sure that they have the data needed to pull it off, or for that matter promise a fix in a reasonable time.

I may be wrong of course, what do you base your belief on?

 

[Mliii]

It means every app built with MapKit, which was the definite way to build apps on top of maps on iOS will use Apple's maps yes. If devs need to use Google Maps, it would mean that Google would have to provide a framework to devs for it, that devs would have to explicitely use that framework instead of MapKit and that Apple would approve apps using said framework.

In the meantime, it also means that devs that have built apps on top of MapKit for now close to 4 years would have to learn the new framework and port their apps over.

I think this is an excellent point. If I understand correctly, as a practical matter, what this means is that the same issues and problems with the current Map App get propagated to other Apps which makes the problem even worse.

 

[d21mike]

they could have done it BEFORE releasing it



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Not sure that is true. It is possible that they believed the map data that they got from TomTom was accurate to an acceptable point since there are a lot of TomTom devices in circulation. Then after getting people using it they find that maybe it is not as accurate as they thought (maybe hard to fix). OR, maybe they will find a bug in their software that only happens when accessing certain parts of the database (maybe easy to fix). I have been testing since the original release and I can say it has gotten better during the beta test cycle. And I can also say that the database for my area is extremely accurate. I have done side by side comparison of other navigation units to prove it.

 

[positivelyapple]

Actually You misread a great deal of my reply - I said: I think abandoning/switching is a discussion to be had (and I presented my arguments for why I think Apple Maps will be a dud). This means that you (in general) should be allowed to evaluate what solution best suits your needs and make a decision based on that.

I do see people jumping in here (like you did) being some sort of "Apple savior" and yelling down everybody trying to make an "informed" decision. This is why things aren't black and white - you don't know **** about IOS being for me or not, but you just had to make an Android comment - it was eating you up huh?

I just don't believe in whining. If you have a problem with something, which you do, and the alternatives don't work for you, which they don't, you either eat it up or switch. Why bitch about it?

 

[samcraig]

Actually You misread a great deal of my reply - I said: I think abandoning/switching is a discussion to be had (and I presented my arguments for why I think Apple Maps will be a dud). This means that you (in general) should be allowed to evaluate what solution best suits your needs and make a decision based on that.

I do see people jumping in here (like you did) being some sort of "Apple savior" and yelling down everybody trying to make an "informed" decision. This is why things aren't black and white - you don't know **** about IOS being for me or not, but you just had to make an Android comment - it was eating you up huh?

Thanks for responding and clarifying. As I said - I was following the conversation and I never assumed you were making an argument for yourself. It's clear that some posters just want to incite for the sake of inciting and/or just don't care about having an actual conversation.