At least in the states, AT&T's pricing is obscenely cheap compared to other data plans. $70 for 500/5000 UNLIMITED DATA 1500SMS??!? That's NOTHING.
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Apple Issues Warning on iPhone Unlocking
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Well said!!!! I bought one last night and its shipping to me here in Canada..I will not update the phone or itunes until I know its safe!
Well good thing we arent talking about cars then right. On the iPhone it is and everyone had the same information at the time of purchase. There is a sticker on the back the box clear as day as to what is required for the phone.
well i've never seen an iphone box but from what you posted earlier it isn't a term of the agreement to buy the phone that you must take service with at&t. you say it says that to activate it's features you must take at&t service.
Have you all forgotten that Apple gets a cut of your AT&T bill? If you hack the phone they don't get that nice monthly revenue for the next 2 years +
Its in Apple's best interest to lock the phone and keep it locked.
Let's say Apple gets 10% of the phone bill and the average phone bill is 100.00 per month. They have sold a million phones so far.....
10 X 1 million.... hum... 10 million dollars a month... for doing nothing! They will work hard to keep the phone locked... and not just to keep AT&T happy!
Its in Apple's best interest to lock the phone and keep it locked.
Let's say Apple gets 10% of the phone bill and the average phone bill is 100.00 per month. They have sold a million phones so far.....
10 X 1 million.... hum... 10 million dollars a month... for doing nothing! They will work hard to keep the phone locked... and not just to keep AT&T happy!
I am so sick of constantly hearing about the d--n iPhone, and doubly so about people b----ing about how Apple is going to potentially brick (or semi-brick) their phones.
You people are stupid, whiny, spoiled little children, you know that?!?!? Grow up and grow a pair already. Hardware manufacturers don't support (as a rule) user modifications to the equipment in question. Moreover, what in God's name were you thinking when you spent $600 in the first place?
What I'd like to know is why you bought a phone knowing full well that the default carrier -- as well as what you might call the "carrier of last resort" -- for the iPhone is AT&T, and now you are faced with the possibility of either *having* to become their customer or playing this stupid little cat-n-mouse game with Apple. I dislike AT&T with a passion and would never allow myself to be put into the position of being made to *have* to deal with them.
Get a life, people. Get a life.
You people are stupid, whiny, spoiled little children, you know that?!?!? Grow up and grow a pair already. Hardware manufacturers don't support (as a rule) user modifications to the equipment in question. Moreover, what in God's name were you thinking when you spent $600 in the first place?
What I'd like to know is why you bought a phone knowing full well that the default carrier -- as well as what you might call the "carrier of last resort" -- for the iPhone is AT&T, and now you are faced with the possibility of either *having* to become their customer or playing this stupid little cat-n-mouse game with Apple. I dislike AT&T with a passion and would never allow myself to be put into the position of being made to *have* to deal with them.
Get a life, people. Get a life.
How would mandatory in-store activation have fixed it, though? People would have found ways around that too. And iTunes activation is WAY more preferable to me than having to activate in the store. If keeping iTunes activation open means bricking those who unlock to use other carriers, let there be bricks.
Play semantics all you want to. If you have an iPhone and are not using At&T's service you are in violation of the TOS.
This whole unlock / brick controversy is contrived. If Apple is purposely bricking modified phones, then they will get sued and they will lose (several years ago, some software company tried disabling their business critical software when the license timer ran out if not renewed in time. They got sued and LOST severely, so there is precedent)
If the bricking is incidental, then that's just the way it goes. As an analogy, supposing you changed a chip on your BMW for a high-performance one. Then later, you took it to BMW for some fix or another, and they changed a DIFFERENT chip out for a new version which turned out didn't interface correctly with your after market chip. You would have no recourse other than restoring the original chip. Same deal if you over-write component firmware on your iPhone, graphics card, whatever. Apple should be under no obligation to make sure that every weird firmware hack will work when Apple issues an update.
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Should I do the relock guide, if I unlocked it when I first got my iphone, then restore it to get At&T contract?
technicolor is suggesting that "if you have an iPhone and are not using At&T's service you are in violation of the TOS". no-one can be required to activate the phone via itunes. so if you don't do so you never see let alone agree to a term that you will use at&t. so it cannot be right that if you have an iphone and do not have an airtime agreement with at&t you are in breach of an agreement.
Will the update affect my iphone if I unlocked it the first day I got my iphone and then restore it to get AT&T activation contract?
Exactly.
At the same time, they have to tread carefully, and their updates have to mess up unlocked phones only "by coincidence".
Too many traps for Apple. Congress is not happy with them over the carrier exclusivity in the first place. The legality of relocking is also up in the air. I don't even know how they can claim it voids a warranty, since they have no software warranty!
In the meantime, the best they can do is what they did: warn everyone so people can restore before updating, and wait for the next unlock hack.
The majority of us are using OSX on MAC ONLY hardware yes? Do you also have an issue that Apple does not support you running OSX on anything but? What happens when they release a new update that attempts to thwart osx86 users??? How is this ANY different?
There's also SOFTWARE on the iPhone.YOU do NOT own it.APPLE does.
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From the back of the box :
"Use is subject to Apple and third party software licenses"
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From the box:
"Requirements: Minimum new two-year wireless service plan with AT&T required to activate all iPhone features, including iPod features."
"Requirements: Minimum new two-year wireless service plan with AT&T required to activate all iPhone features, including iPod features."
So my question is this: Is T-Mobile THAT much better/cheaper/etc to AT&T that it is worth:
1) going through the trouble of the hack
2) potentially bricking the iPhone
3) voiding the warranty
4) losing functionality (visual voice mail and other functions perhaps?)
Legitimate question... this is not a bash on anyone doing it, just really wondering if T-Mobile is that much better and worth the trouble?
I personally switched from Sprint and could not be happier with AT&T, but then sprint is the suck so go figure.
1) going through the trouble of the hack
2) potentially bricking the iPhone
3) voiding the warranty
4) losing functionality (visual voice mail and other functions perhaps?)
Legitimate question... this is not a bash on anyone doing it, just really wondering if T-Mobile is that much better and worth the trouble?
I personally switched from Sprint and could not be happier with AT&T, but then sprint is the suck so go figure.
What would be the purpose of purchasing a product with no functionality? The terms of sale are that the product works exclusively with AT&T. If you can get it to do other things without breaking laws, that's great. But you've got no legal recourse when it stops doing those unapproved and unspecified things. There's certainly no fitness claim to be raised.
That depends. If Exxon is providing the car, or paying insurance, and you agree to use Exxon gas exclusively, that's completely valid, for starters. However, the gas example is absurd in our market. If the gasoline market had different dynamics, it wouldn't be. The premise is invalid and no comparison can be drawn.
You are sooo right. Its scary sometimes that they have computers
Well, you've read the forums...
If you're NOT scared...you're not breathing!
So my question is this: Is T-Mobile THAT much better/cheaper/etc to AT&T
I was a T-Mobile customer before the iPhone. The calling and data plans are better over at T-Mobile, not enough for me to go back- I happily paid 200.00 to leave.
It's different because running OS X x86 on non-Apple hardware and updating will not brick your entire computer just because you're using it in a way Apple doesn't like.
I just don't get why the update would brick the iPhone as it should simply overwrite any of the unlock hacks unless Apple is selectively choosing to patch parts of the baseband just to screw unlockers over.