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Apple Issues Warning on iPhone Unlocking

overcast said:
AND THEY DON'T CARE IF IT BRICKS YOUR IPHONE. You aren't entitled to ANYTHING. You bought your toy, congratulations. You aren't playing by the rules and the next update might make it worthless. End of story.
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Cool!!! Have I ever complained?? No never. I understand that. They just shouldn"t do that on purpose. If after update unlock is not working anymore its also cool with me. I wont update, but bricking the phone on purpose just stink. Seriously, its plain stupid.
 
ma2ha3 said:
i never gotta to install any new iphone software

anyway those free third party software seem better than iphone software.

and it will grow.
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Many might... it's conceivable that a unhackable iPhone firmware update could fork the iPhone into two different builds:

1.0.2 + hacks
vs
1.1.1

arn
 
overcast said:
What happens when you mod your car out and try to take it to emissions inspection? What happens when the cops see tinted glass that is too dark?
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Very bad analogy. Those are safety issues; clearly the iPhone doesn't have any software safety issues.
 
Mydel said:
Cool!!! Have I ever complained?? No never. I understand that. They just shouldn"t do that on purpose. If after update unlock is not working anymore its also cool with me. I wont update, but bricking the phone on purpose just stink. Seriously, its plain stupid.
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Whether it's intentional or not makes no difference. You paid for what you got, and you are not following terms of service. Therefore you are not entitled to future updates. Apple has the right to protect their intellectual property, you nor anyone else has the "right" to do anything with it beyond terms of service.
 
DeathChill said:
I guess you don't understand. The unlock patches a part of the baseband that allows the phone to work on any carrier. The new update contains a baseband update.

What would normally happen is that the baseband update would just overwrite the existing baseband completely, meaning that it wouldn't matter if you had used the unlock software or not.

The fact that it breaks your phone is odd as the update should simply overwrite everything already there.
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I agree. It makes no sense not to work in this manner unless you wanted to brick phones purposely.
 
Obligation.s

tkidBOSTON said:
So the question that begs to be asked, is Apple doing this intentionally or is it just an inevitable part of the software update process??

Regardless, I guess this just means that anyone with a hacked iPhone won't be installing Apple updates.
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In addition to standard corporate nonsense, I think they have a contractual obligation with AT&T to break unlocking for the same reason they are beholden to the record industry cartels to "fix" their DRM in iTunes whenever it gets cracked.
 
On the back of the iPhone box it says
Requirements: Minimum two year wireless service plan with AT&T required to activate all iPhone features, including iPod features...
 
Apple is not going to brick the iPhone. It is illegal for them to do so. The end user has the right to unlock the phone. This is the law.

For that matter even if they attempt to relock them they will likely be facing a class action suit since there are laws that protect phones and apple is out of their league in this area.

Me thinks Steve needs to read up on the laws he is not familiar with before he even considers attempting to relock or brick anything.

Know your laws and rights people. Apple is stepping into an area they don't know anything about and their lawyers better read up good before they maliciously do anything. This isn't a computer, it's a protected class (phone) and it has full rights to be unlocked.

Apple can refuse software updates. They can refuse to do anything at all with the phone from here on out, but they cannot lock or brick it based on the fact it is unlocked. No lawyer on earth is that stupid to authorize that for apple to go ahead with knowing the class action that will follow and the involvement of the regulatory commission that controls the phones and the laws.

Period. No malicious software to relock or brick. Apple's "we'll do what we want" attitude (seen in the cisco fiasco) will stop quick when the fcc comes knocking. That's not a company, that's the government.
 
Mydel said:
Hahaha Legit?? Why my unlocked phone is not legit to you?? I payed the same money as you did. And trust me its not gonna change anything. Even if some phones will die after that update its not gonna stop neither me nor anyone I know from unlocking their phones.
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You made a choice, now you're feature-frozen or bricked. I meant legit in the sense I followed the known terms for use, not that you can't legally do with your iPhone as you wish. Apple just doesn't have to support you.

I'm skeptical about you anyway. You mentioned in a post earlier in this thread that you are MD not IT. Assuming you were educated in the States, you want to explain how you were accepted into a medical school without being able to spell words like "paid"?

As for the rest of you I'm not unsympathethic, but you had to know this was coming although you claimed they would never, even when several others and I were telling you all along whether Apple wished to take such extreme measures or not, in order to comply with their contractual agreement with AT&T they must do this.
 
overcast said:
Whether it's intentional or not makes no difference. You paid for what you got, and you are not following terms of service. Therefore you are not entitled to future updates. Apple has the right to protect their intellectual property, you nor anyone else has the "right" to do anything with it beyond terms of service.
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It makes HUGE difference. Im sorry that you are blinded not to say brainwashed. please undestand I DONT CARE about updates. iPhone suits me well as it is. I can do much more via 3rd party. I just think that bricking hacked phones is cheap. And they will lose my money. Please dont tell me they dont need it and I can go. I know, but if many of us will go somewhere else Apple will lose not only money but also a "cool " factor.
 
Peace said:
First off Apple doesn't need to "cover their own ass" if you've ever taken the time to read the fine print.So that argument is moot.

Secondly Apple has no need to say I told you so since you yourself admitted they aren't officially supported.
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Thats my point, dude. We all know, so why release a statement?? Because they wanna seem like "good guys" & its good PR, thats why. It doesn't make it right.
 
technicolor said:
On the back of the iPhone box it says
Requirements: Minimum two year wireless service plan with AT&T required to activate all iPhone features, including iPod features...
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I think that is part of the problem, Apple never should of made deals with providers, in the long run that will come back and bite Apple in the butt.
 
vanmacguy said:
Sorry, I thought they were both talking about the same thing.

Good thing I didn't pop across the border last weekend and get mine. I'm in Canada and thought I had a plan! Guess not. Damn.
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For those of us in Canada, let's just put it this way: You have no other option but to unlock the phone and use it. Just wait for other people to try and see if the latest firmware breaks anything. I doubt the new software would bring anything so terribly great that we must upgrade to it. Unless Apple does something nasty and requires you to update with future iTunes versions.

I am in Canada, and happy with my unlocked phone. It rocks.

PS: Also hoping that in Q1 2008, Rogers will offer the phone + plan. Key word is hoping.
 
sanford said:
You made a choice, now you're feature-frozen or bricked. I meant legit in the sense I followed the known terms for use, not that you can't legally do with your iPhone as you wish. Apple just doesn't have to support you.

I'm skeptical about you anyway. You mentioned in a post earlier in this thread that you are MD not IT. Assuming you were educated in the States, you want to explain how you were accepted into a medical school without being able to spell words like "paid"?

As for the rest of you I'm not unsympathethic, but you had to know this was coming although you claimed they would never, even when several others and I were telling you all along whether Apple wished to take such extreme measures or not, in order to comply with their contractual agreement with AT&T they must do this.
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Im living in US 4-6 months a year, I speak few languages but english is not my first. Sorry if it make such a huge difference to you.
I'm not complaining about not being able to update. All I say IF they will brick phones on purpose it really stink. Thats it. They shouldn't do this.
 
Just wonder if I transfer a "virgin" state iPhone's files and to unlock iPhone to relock the iPhone?:confused:

Mydel said:
You can get back the iPhone to "virgin" state. just need to flash the baseband and than restore. I did it once. But its not that easy. You need to extract files from original software and than type in terminal, and trust me typing terminal on iphone keybord aint fun:eek:
Than the unlock is gone and phone requires activation from the scratch
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Peace said:
Did ya ever think they released the statement so people that are clueless don't go to Apple and complain about their hacked iPhone?
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I got a news flash for you, chief. People who are "clueless" dont know the first thing about how to unlock their iPhone.
 
peestandingup said:
I got a news flash for you, chief. People who are "clueless" dont know the first thing about how to unlock their iPhone.
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I think rather than 'clueless' he meant to put 'dumb'.

There are plenty of dumb people who've unlocked their iPhones without fully understanding what that might mean in the future.

-Leemo
 
overcast said:
Whether it's intentional or not makes no difference. You paid for what you got, and you are not following terms of service. Therefore you are not entitled to future updates. Apple has the right to protect their intellectual property, you nor anyone else has the "right" to do anything with it beyond terms of service.
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Exactly what "intellectual property" are they protecting? Contrary to your opinion, you do have the right to dispose of your property as you see fit, and that includes everything from unlocking your cell phone to modifying your car such that its engine burns biodiesel. Do not confuse property rights, intellectual or otherwise and relevant or not to this discussion, with the fact that Apple has no obligation to support your exercise of those rights.
 
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