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No one can use the excuse that they did not know about the fact that you have to use AT&T. When you unlock it you knowingly unlock it to use with a carrier other then AT&T. Quite frankly all unlockers knew what they were getting into.

I 100% agree with you! However, I think Apple SHOULD prominently put the same disclaimers easily readable on the refurbished store, just as it is in the 'normal' store. Ok, so by clicking the Warranty tab, it tells you...but people will find a way around that...

Remember the lady that sued McDonalds for HOT coffee...people like this truly make me sick :rolleyes:
 
Famous last words..

I'm gonna sit back and watch you cry tomorrow or Wednesday because your iPhone is history.;)

I'm going to sit back and watch you make an ass out of yourself reviling in other's problems... Are you satisfied now because you were the nice little customer that bent over and took the AT&T lockdown with the ridiculous charge-for-unlimited-EDGE and outrageous-roaming-fees-since-they-know-you-cant-swap-sims contract
and now you feel vindicated or something?
 
I'm going to sit back and watch you make an ass out of yourself reviling in other's problems... Are you satisfied now because you were the nice little customer that bent over and took the AT&T lockdown with the ridiculous charge-for-unlimited-EDGE and outrageous-roaming-fees-since-they-know-you-cant-swap-sims contract
and now you feel vindicated or something?


Why yes I am.Thank You :)
 
I live in Canada (thats the permafrosty place just north of the US...).

I like the iPhone.
I know that its LEGAL to unlock your cell phone.
I bought an iPhone - legally from Apple in the US (Washington State, if you must know)
I unlocked my iPhone myself using the excellent instructions on modmyiphone.com.
Rogers (my cell provider) allow me to use the iPhone - I checked.
I am happy because iPhone is really f****** good and saves me time and hassle.

So whats the problem? I WONT be downloading any upgrades until the iphonedev folks OK it.

I dont CARE about new features because the iPhone, as it stands, has ALL that I need or want.

If Apple want to 'brick' my iPhone, they need me to download files to do that.

I am stupid, but not quite that stupid......

I thnk this is Apple's way of (a) keeping everything cool with AT&T and (b) warning those who have unlocked to NOT download the new changes until iphonedev have cracked it again.

Thankyou, Apple for the timely and polite warning.

Enough of the delight in the notion of destroying property on these forums.
Very nasty to see that - not nice to wish a damaged iPhone on a guy or gal who paid good, hard-earned cash for it.....



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LOVE U MAN!!!! i live in Canada to, and getting my unlocked iphone next week !!! so i just don't download the update and am safe right???:D :D!!
 
Jesus - stop the whining.

It's Apple's product, if they want to protect their revenue stream with AT&T (and of course the European networks in the coming months) then they're quite within their rights to do so.
-Leemo

Not necessarily so. Many countries in Europe already have legislation against this, and if you remember correctly the iPhone/AT&T lock brought ALOT of attention to this form of lockin bull****. As it stands now it is "within their rights", but if enough backlash forms I wouldn't find it out of the realm of possibility this may change in the future...
 
Press Release from the press office of TimTheEnchanter, Apple, Inc.
Sept. 24, 2007.


TIM THE ENCHANTER: To the north there lies a torrent-- the Torrent of Cingularr-- wherein, carved in mystic runes upon the very living rock, the last words of Stephen Jobs of Apple make plain the last resting place of the most Holy SIM Unlock.

IPHONE HACKERS: Where could we find this SIM unlock, O Tim?

TIM: Follow... BUT! Follow only if ye be h4xrs of valour, for the installation of this unlock is guarded by a creature so foul, so cruel that no man yet has fought with it and lived! Bones of full fifty-thousand iPhones lie strewn about its lair. So, brave h4xrs, if you do doubt your courage or your 3lit3 skilz, come no further, for death awaits your iPhone with nasty, big, pointy teeth.

HACKER You tit! I soiled my armour I was so scared!

:D
 
If you buy a Ford are you forced to only fill it up at Exxon?

No, but if Ford has a deal with Exxon that Exxon will be the only fuel used in your Ford...and you go to BP, then Ford has every right to deny you service on your BP-tainted Ford.
 
Why all of the panic over this? All this bricked and lawsuit is premature and laughable:confused:

Everyone, especially hackers, knew it would be a matter of time before Apple attempted to thwart their hacks. This should come as no surprise and no reason for concern. NEWSFLASH: Dont update hacked iphones!!!

I am happy with my phone as it is. I simply will not update my software until given the green light by others. I really dont purchase music from Itunes much so wifi Itunes isnt a must have for me (doubtful for many others).

I will sit back and continue to enjoy my unlocked iphone without concern unless they can prohibit synchronization with Itunes...til then tell Steve will need to find another sucker for AT&T to trap

There number of 3rd party apps out right now is growing exponentially. that will keep me busy for a while:D
 
Two reasons - Carrier and User Experience

Carrier -

For those in the USA, the only other carrier is T-Mobile. Why would you even want them? I was planning on switching to AT&T but only after Apple came out with v2.0. However, T-Mobile wouldn't honor the warranty on my Motorola v360 for the third time and they pushed me over the edge. T-Mobile's service and support is horrible!!!

User Experience -

Apple doesn't want to go down the same slippery slope that Microsoft has. Without control of the hardware and third party apps, MS has lost the control over the user experience. My friend has a Windows Mobile v6.0 phone from Verizon that locks up which results in dropped calls, connection failures and general freezes.

Apple is know for products that just work. Apple keep it that way.
 
Apple is not going to brick the iPhone. It is illegal for them to do so. The end user has the right to unlock the phone. This is the law.

Actually, that's nowhere close to being correct. The closest thing coming to your statement is a Library of Congress legal opinion and exemption that it is not a violation of current copyright law to software unlock a cell phone. Note that it is an opinion grqanting an exemption. The LoC does not make laws. They are not the cellphone police. Either Congress or the FCC could just as easily write regulations that do an end-run around this exemption. And neither they nor their statements cannot and will not protect you against "Big Bad" apple.

Also note that this opinion does NOT say that it is illegal for AT&T, Apple or anyone to prevent you from unlocking such a phone, or to do a software update that exposes any issues/damage done to an iPhone by unlocking.

For that matter even if they attempt to relock them they will likely be facing a class action suit since there are laws that protect phones and apple is out of their league in this area.

Me thinks Steve needs to read up on the laws he is not familiar with before he even considers attempting to relock or brick anything.

Methinks YOU need to get something better than an Internet Law Degree. There are no laws that protect OR prohibit unlocking. You can do what you want with your iPhone, and Apple can do what THEY want as a countermeasure. When you unlock your phone, you accept and take the consequences for modifying the product, and it's not Apple's fault if you break it.

Besides, you're assuming that Apple is actively trying to brick these iPhones. When you unlocked your phone, did you read up on what exactly that modification did, and di you have a full understand of what was changed? For all we know, bits of firmware have changed that will cause singificant issue with the iTunes store, ro some other yet-unnamed feature or software change in the next release. Unlocking, or any other modification on ANY device is done at the user's peril, and if the user didn't fully research what the effects are, it's their fault if it bars future updates.
 
No one can use the excuse that they did not know about the fact that you have to use AT&T. When you unlock it you knowingly unlock it to use with a carrier other then AT&T. Quite frankly all unlockers knew what they were getting into.


Using laws and lack of information on the refurb site does not excuse a lack of common sense.

Thank you! Totally agree. We are back to the "cat in the microwave" incident!
 
As an Apple user for over 20 years I just don't get the whole "right" to be free to unlock an iPhone.

Apple and ATT have spent an enormous amount of money to bring to market a great phone service that is light years ahead of what we had. Now (even though they agreed to terms of use of the product when they activated the iPhone) people think they have the right to modify the phone and expect Apple to fully support the modified iPhone? If someone significantly modifies any other product do the users expect the original manufacturer to support repairs on a modified product?

This whole issue of the "right" to be able to unlock and iPhone and abuse the people who brought the product to market seems like the rantings of a bunch of spoiled children. Yes, the iPhone is expensive. But to use it you have to agree to the terms that Apple and ATT have set forth. If you can't abide by them, go get yourself a Rim or Palm phone.

In this post internet culture people seem to think they have the "right" to do whatever they want. Legal or not.

The old carnies had it right when they barked out at carnivals: "You pays your money, you take your chances!"

As a iPhone user who appreciates what Apple is doing, I say more power to Apple. Let them go after those who would abuse the trust that they agreed to when they signed up for the service.


As i've mention already, its not about people thinking they should have the right to modify their phone anyway they like and expect apple to support every hack. I don't think ANYONE is asking for that.

As for the "expectation of rights" -- the cellular phone industry "lock-in" is on very shifty legal ground right now in the USA. It's even illegal in some European countries as a business practice.

Imagine if it was standard practive for computer vendors to "lock" you to a certain Internet service provider. Apple would lock their mac hardware to only connect to a special router that could *ONLY* be purchased from and work with the service of your regional cable internet provider?!? Would everyone just go along with it??

I find it hard to believe this business practice will be legal in the United States within a few years. Or more likely they will limit the lock-in period like most European countries do to 6-month or 12-months.
 
No, but if Ford has a deal with Exxon that Exxon will be the only fuel used in your Ford...and you go to BP, then Ford has every right to deny you service on your BP-tainted Ford.

That would be an anti-competitive practice, and as far as I know, would be against current US law. In some countries where communication legislations are more complete, this type of practice is against the law also for telephones.- europe, most of asia.
 
I think it's time to send out another batch of these shirts:
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Lol, can I have one!
 
In plain text: If you unlock your phone and something breaks after an update, you suffer the consequences. Go pound sand.
Is someone debating this??


Apple has been doing some willful locking down of iPods with recent updates, I don't see this as any different. They have an investment to protect and will not think twice about deploying patches that have the potentional to do "harm".

How are they "protecting" their investment by locking down a regular ipod?
And I don't think ANYONE is debating if people are "doing harm" to a device they own that has no contract, user agreement, etc.
There is NO EXCUSE for locking down an iPod as all the arguments used for the iPhone don't hold water when applied to the iPod.
 
Anyone else think that this Apple "statement" regarding firmware updates rendering hacked iPhone's unusable is more for AT&T's ears rather than the consumer's?


Discussion on this point is pointless right now... we'll find out for sure this week, won't we?
 
I've spent 5+ years now working on flash devices (cable modems, TVs) and you can rest assured its pretty damn hard to have software mess up the hardware to the point where it is non restorable. Without technical details provided by Apple on exactly HOW the iPhone will be messed up by having it unlocked my honest gut instinct is this is a FUD move by Apple to discourage iPhone unlocking.

From a technical standpoint the only way I can see something bad happening is if the iPhone stores stuff in NVRAM (which im pretty much certain it does) which after the phone is unlocked causes issues with future upgrades. Having said that, any intelligently written restore program should nuke the NVRAM settings as part of the process which should easily allow for the phone to be recovered to its non unlocked state....

So I guess for me the bottom line at least for me is that is if you choose to unlock your phone you run the risk of future upgrades not working. (this really, should NOT come as a surprise to anyone since it is a tightly integrated embedded device)

This should not preclude you from being able to restore the phone, upgrade it to the latest firmware and use it normally in a country with iPhone carriers or sell it if you are in a country without iPhone carriers.
 
Remember all the "freedom" talk from Jobs & Apple against "big blue" back in the 80s?? Well, as it turns out, it seems their version of "freedom" just meant trading one proprietary company for another.

It seems Apple is becoming more & more what it was preaching against.
 
That would be an anti-competitive practice, and as far as I know, would be against current US law. In some countries where communication legislations are more complete, this type of practice is against the law also for telephones.- europe, most of asia.

Agreed.

I've wondered, if you were to "buy-out" your contract or say AT&T did something to void your contract, shouldn't your iPhone be officially unlocked by AT&T or Apple without future harm and with full support? The fact is we all bought the iPhone without incentives or rebates for signing-up. We all paid full retail price. I'm having a hard time coming-up with another consumer product that has this same arrangement, although I'm sure there is.
 
****!

I got REAL news for a LOT of iPhone script kiddies on MacRumors.Most ARE clueless.

HOW can you say that not knowing exactly what Apple is updating? That's pure ignorance.

Ya.It's called common sense.

I'm gonna sit back and watch you cry tomorrow or Wednesday because your iPhone is history

You know what, I don't own an iPhone nor do I think anyone on here should complain if they get a bricked phone from hacking it.
However, you seem to really have a bad f***ing attitude and have been replying to every other post on here with a condescending ******* tone.

The people on this thread are trying to sort out the truth of this update matter, if modified firmware can really be kept from being flashed back to the original, etc, and you are not helping IN ANY WAY.

So i suggest you just get of this **** forum if all you have to say is bull**** and stop launching into personal attacks on people. So ****!!
 
You know what, I don't own an iPhone nor do I think anyone on here should complain if they get a bricked phone from hacking it.
However, you seem to really have a bad f***ing attitude and have been replying to every other post on here with a condescending ******* tone.

The people on this thread are trying to sort out the truth of this update matter, if modified firmware can really be kept from being flashed back to the original, etc, and you are not helping IN ANY WAY.

So i suggest you just get of this **** forum if all you have to say is bull**** and stop launching into personal attacks on people. So ****!!

Dude..You need a life.

I feel absolutely no sympathy for any person here that purposefully hacked their iPhone fully knowing it could damage it.

If it bricks their phone.They deserve it.I was responding to people that have no idea what this update will do and THEY were attacking Apple.

My attitude may suck for you.Get over it.This is just a discussion forum.


[edit]

and the next time you quote me in order to try and make me look evil please quote the person I was responding to ok? ;)

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Did anyone consider...

Did anyone of the people who are feature-frozen until further notice consider that as soon as the update comes out someone will at least be able get the new apps and changes from the updated firmware and make it available to be installed via 3rd party program?

I'm not saying this is guaranteed, just a thought to people who may end up stuck without "official" feature updates for awhile...
 
I'm going to sit back and watch you make an ass out of yourself reviling in other's problems... Are you satisfied now because you were the nice little customer that bent over and took the AT&T lockdown with the ridiculous charge-for-unlimited-EDGE and outrageous-roaming-fees-since-they-know-you-cant-swap-sims contract
and now you feel vindicated or something?

As long as you don't update your phone to the new firmware your update will continue to work just fine. If you have any sort of hardware problems then you are covered by warranty. You would need to bring your iPhone back to a "virgin state" as it is called. And take it back for repair. Apple cannot deny you service on bad hardware. If its software (hacked) issue, you should be able to find help on several iPhone hacking forums.

I don't know why people are taking such an anti-choice view on this situation. Wouldn't it be fun if Apple closed up the Mac platform in a similar fashion? Only Apple software and .Mac internet services. No google, no Firefox or any other choices save what Apple decides is right for you.

The point is you need to separate the iPhone into its 3 components. The hardware which you outright own and are free to do with as you see fit. If I decide to buy an iPhone to use as a doorstop or a paperweight, there is nothing Apple can do about it. If I decide to install Linux on my closed Mac platform, again, its my business. There is the software which Apple owns. If you decide to mess with their copyrighted stuff the you're in trouble. In the case of the unlocks, the hackers write their own stuff to replace Apple's. And the service which is ATT. Considering the US is the model of free markets, it would be a grave contradiction, to allow such anti competitive actions to foster in the market place, where a consumer cannot move freely between different cell phone services. ATT was broken up into the Baby Bells for exactly that reason.

Here's a scenario. Say you have your land based telephone service with Verizon. You realise ATT is providing a better long distance package. You decide to switch. You now then need to get a separate house phone and phone line from ATT to use that long distance service in addition to Verizon phone. This is exactly what cellular service providers are asking you to do. How is that good for the consumer? Its only a matter of time before government steps in to put those companies in check.
 
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