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Silly move and symptomatic of Apple's exaggerated sense of its own importance. Trump had a good majority of americans agreeing with him so Apple is now telling most of its customers they are stupid.

Very true. However, I will admit I voted for Trump and I think the travel ban is ridiculous. Good intentions, but terrible execution.

Not trying to wave my political beliefs around, just saying that it isn't always so cut and dry and wish more people would own up to that.
 
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And again...so women being bought and sold as sexual slaves, beaten for being out along in public, and murdered for not obeying their owner is in any way comparable to the inequality that you say exists in the Western world?
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And still. A sexist bible most people don't follow is comparable to 1.6 billion people actively following a book that orders them to enslave, torture, and murder women.
It's clear you aren't going to change his deluded mind. I wouldn't even bother anymore.
 
I guess I'm confused why so many are against the vetting. If we were talking about quarantine for some disease, then people understand it's ok to quarantine all potentials to find the few with the disease. Isn't vetting the same thing... all potentials have to be vetted to find the few who are the problem. It's not about discrimination, it's about protecting the general public. Let me know if my logic is off, cause I wan't to understand.

Don't get me wrong - I'm on your side here, and the analogy is appropriate. But the current travel ban is a poor implementation of a good idea. Women and children who have been here for years - legally - were being stranded at airports and overseas because of their whatever (ID/visa/etc) being suspended, and that isn't right.

The ban should have stopped all new (and perhaps recent) immigration to the country, rather than punishing those who have been here for a long time with no criminal history. Just my two cents.
 
What ? Netfix is in there too? oh well... i didn't expect them to be there,

Last thing i heard Trump is going all out solo on this ... He doesn't want any help from anyone
 
Well this should be an entertaining 8 years!

iPhone 8
Designed in California by Syrian & Yemeni refugees
Made in China using non-offensive 'neoslavery' techniques
 
I guess I'm confused why so many are against the vetting. If we were talking about quarantine for some disease, then people understand it's ok to quarantine all potentials to find the few with the disease. Isn't vetting the same thing... all potentials have to be vetted to find the few who are the problem. It's not about discrimination, it's about protecting the general public. Let me know if my logic is off, cause I wan't to understand.

The United States already has a strict vetting process for visas. 9/11 happened over 15 years ago, so it's not like the idea that you want to screen people for possible terrorist connections is a new one. They already do that. The issue is that the Trump administration has violated a federal statute that says you can't ban immigrants based solely on their country of origin, and that focusing on Islamic terror groups as the reason for a total ban is a potential violation of the U.S. Constitution (favoring one religion over another).
 
Silly move and symptomatic of Apple's exaggerated sense of its own importance. Trump had a good majority of americans agreeing with him so Apple is now telling most of its customers they are stupid.

"Most of it's customers"?

Just because you are doesn't mean we all are too...
 
Misleading since the ban isn't against all immigration. I haven't heard Trump say he was against immigration. My understanding is the EO temporarily restricts just visits from those in select countries the Obama administration determined were at a higher risk of terrorists possibly coming from into the US.

As I understand it those country's are refusing to share vetting information with the US, and the temporary ban was started under Obama. So he is only carrying on what was already started.

As I said though that's what I've heard. And if true it's a perfectly legitimate thing to do. But Americans don't trust the security services or its government.
 
The point is that as a Syrian, Jobs' father wouldn't be able to get into the country under Trump's EO.
.......for 90 days or until properly vetted. Plus 50 years ago the radicals were not quite as hellbent on destroying the USA like they are today. I would suspect that a 90 day delay wouldn't have kept Apple from existing.
 
Tim Cook is just a blased democrat. They were ok with Obama doing this, but when Trump does it, they all cry foul. I used to respect Tim Cook for what he does and who he is. This action by Tim Cook is destroying the respect I have for him.

Tim Cook just like these other CEO's are just hating Trump. This is nothing about people from other countries or muslims. If it was then is 2015 they'd all have threatened to take Obama to court too. This didn't hpapen. It's just an "I hate Trump" brigade. They believe democrats csn do anything they want, but if a Republican does the same thing, it's wrong and must be stopped.

Who is wrong here?

Either Obama AND Trump because they did the same thing
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These 100 CEO's for trying to stop a good thing from happening.

Since these 100 CEO's will never say Obama did anything wrong, it has to be the latter.

It's a sad state of affairs when people let one side do anything they want but the same people don't let the other side do the same thing. This goes against equality and against a united nation.
 
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The polls are never spot on, there is always a margin of error. That's basic statistics.

Looks like you graduated with honors!

Was it Michigan? Or PA? Maybe Wi?
"Most of it's customers"?

Just because you are doesn't mean we all are too...


Keep it up!

The Senate is gone, the House is gone, majority of state legislatures are gone, most governorships are gone, the Supreme Court is gone, but outside of that everything is just peachy for progressives.
 
Most Christians and political leaders in this country didn't say squat about the Muslim Mosque shootings. It was barely covered in the news. And I'm sorry but it's crap that just because someone of some nationality does something it's a reflection on EVERYONE and EVERYONE in that nationality, religion must automatically speak out. Why is it, this is ONLY applied to minorities. When white men do something you never hear people saying "Why aren't all white men speaking out."

And notice that the Trump administration has already tried to claim that not mentioning Jews specifically when remembering the Holocaust is because "a lot of different groups suffered", but then they can't seem to recognize the suffering of different groups of people in today's world. The "forgotten" people in society to the GOP conveniently happen to be white Christian Republicans, and even then they're not so sure some of them are suffering unless they have huge amounts of money and power. Then, of course, they're the victims!
 
Silly move and symptomatic of Apple's exaggerated sense of its own importance. Trump had a good majority of americans agreeing with him so Apple is now telling most of its customers they are stupid.
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Trump is Amerika's Führer and these people will be punished by a 20% import tax for their disloyalty of these people and they are off the guest list for Mara Lago Resort.
 
I believe that Islam is the enemy of mankind and we must stop it from spreading at all costs. God forbid I have an opinion.
 
Who in the administration called it an "immigration ban"? I haven't seen this. I'm not talking about campaign gibberish, I'm talking about post-inauguration actual policy here.

The exact wording of the order is:
"I hereby proclaim that the immigrant and nonimmigrant entry into the United States of aliens from countries referred to in section 217(a)(12) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12), would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and I hereby suspend entry into the United States, as immigrants and nonimmigrants, of such persons for 90 days from the date of this order..."

While it does not use the word "ban" if I suspend entry of you from my place of business I have banned you from entering. Ban is easier to understand and explain and thus the term to use. Trump now is walking back from the original order while trying to deflect criticism to others.

The real problem, separate from the ban, is the Trump's administration approach to governing. While he may like the attention and showmanship of making broad unexpected announcements it makes it hard to govern. Yo can't lurch from crisis to crisis and be effective. Trump also seems unable to let any criticism go and keeps returning to it. He can't seem to abide by the idea that someone may not think he is the greatest, smartest person around, and may actually dislike him; qualities that are not good in a politician. He tactics worked to get his way in business, but politicians have a long memory and revenge is always on their minds. As one Senator put it when someone said FDR was sometimes his own worst enemy, "Not as long as I am around."

His two biggest threats are:

1. He doesn't deliver on his promise to bring back the factory jobs that left in the last 20 years. His populist base expects him to deliver on his America First message and if jobs don't materialize they will turn on him. People believe he will bring back the factories where a high school graduate can make a good living but if companies cold do that and be profitable they would; the problem is they can't, which is why factories in the US are becoming more automated and requiring a different skill set to run.

2. The Federal bureaucracy and it's ability to oppose policies without coming out and saying so. Leaks to the press, slow rolling initiatives, etc. are the stock in trade of the Federal system. The military is also very adept at that game, and the Joint Chiefs, if things get to bad in their opinion, can testify to Congress and make a President look bad. Sure Trump can fire some people but as Nixon realized when he discovered who Deep Throat was, if he fired him he is now free to reveal all he knows which is worse than the slow leaks.

No matter your views on Trump he faces a daunting task made worse by his personality. In Trump's case, the job could very well break him.
 
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"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me"

I am glad Apple and other businesses are speaking out.

The Muslim Ban is illegal, immoral, and against everything for which this nation stands. If the moral argument doesn't resonate - as it often doesn't with Republicans - then perhaps the more pragmatic approach will. The ban actually makes us less safe, according to several subject matter experts, including a former CIA chief. It doesn't take a genius to make a connection here. The ban is on countries that have not produced any terrorists - but now they might and any counter intelligence work we're doing there will be jeopardized. It will hurt our economy on many levels - retaliatory policies of affected countries, brain drain, and more. It will alienate our allies and friends all over the world - just read the responses from foreign leaders.

It sets a dangerous precedent and can be seen as a preemptive attack our own civil rights. Permanent resident cards being suspended is only a short step away from citizenships being revoked and interment camps being setup. Remember when America suspended habeas corpus and held, without trial or probable cause, her own citizens in concentration camps? All this because of their national origin. Meanwhile, 400,000 Americans were to die defending the world from Fascism. Ironic, isn't it...This practice didn't make us safer then and it sure as hell doesn't make us safer now.

We are supposed to be the land of the free and the home of the brave. Instead we are acting like a bunch of cowards, ready to act out of fear and anxiety. We have elected a man with an unhealthy obsession with dictators and his own image. We are taking away human rights and dignity in the name of protectionism. We recoil in fear instead of boldly standing for what we believe. These are the same values previous generations willingly fought to defend and died preserving.

On a personal level, ask how much more freedom are you willing to give up in exchange for the false sense of security afforded by these types of policies? We should all ask this question...

My two cents.
 
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And notice that the Trump administration has already tried to claim that not mentioning Jews specifically when remembering the Holocaust is because "a lot of different groups suffered", but then they can't seem to recognize the suffering of different groups of people in today's world. The "forgotten" people in society to the GOP conveniently happen to be white Christian Republicans, and even then they're not so sure some of them are suffering unless they have huge amounts of money and power. Then, of course, they're the victims!


As a non-progressive, I whole-hardly approve of your nonsense. Keep it up.
 
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