Apple Jumps 13 Spots in Glassdoor's Annual List of Best Places to Work, But Remains Far Behind Facebook and Google

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  1. Gudi macrumors 68030

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    But they don’t sell networking equipment, it’s not their product. That’s Cisco Systems. Apple designs oak tables and glass stairs for their own retail stores, but they don’t compete with IKEA.
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    Facebook sells user data to advertisers, that’s all.
    Niche products totally unimportant to their core business. Xerox created the first graphical user interface, mouse, ethernet and laser printer. And yet the company struggled and ultimately failed to become more than a paper document management company.
     
  2. WatchFromAfar macrumors 65816

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    Xerox are still around so they are not doing too shabby
     
  3. fathergll macrumors 65816

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    Have you worked at any of those companies?
     
  4. C DM macrumors Sandy Bridge

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    Even to do that there's tech (softeare, algorithms, services, etc.) that has to be invented/adjusted/improved/evolved/etc.

    That aside, clearly the users are getting other uses out of it as well.
     
  5. Gudi macrumors 68030

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    How much revenue does Facebook make from software sales?
    Even better Carl Icahn split them into two companies. One for traditional photocopiers, one for business process outsourcing. Both not exactly at the forefront of IT.
     
  6. EvilEvil macrumors 6502a

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    #71 is pretty low on the list. If it was in the top ten then it would be a different story.
     
  7. C DM macrumors Sandy Bridge

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    That isn't the only way software works in terms of making money as far as tech companies go. It's almost kind of silly to imply otherwise.
     
  8. Ulfric macrumors newbie

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    They are contributing a lot in Big Data, Blockchain, Machine Learning & Deep learning segments.
    --- Post Merged, Dec 5, 2018 ---
    Colour me surprised. How could LinkedIn(6th) be better place to work for than Microsoft(34th), their parent company? Are they under different administration?
     
  9. WatchFromAfar macrumors 65816

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    True about Xerox, but you don't have to be best to be good? (look at macOS market share; look at iOS market share)
     
  10. sw1tcher macrumors 65816

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    The switches are Facebook's product since they designed/invented it. And they do sell them.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/facebooks-shot-at-cisco-just-got-deadly-2015-3

    On Tuesday, Facebook's vice president of infrastructure, Jason Taylor, made several announcements at the Open Compute Project Summit in San Jose, California, spelling out how the company could topple Cisco's dominance of the $23 billion ethernet switch market. He said:

    1. The radical new network switch that Facebook invented for its own networks, called the Wedge, is now for sale through a company called Accton.



    And if you believe a company has to sell hardware to be considered a tech company, then Google must not have been a tech company when they were mainly a search engine. Same goes for Yahoo!


    Not only did Facebook invent the new network switches, they're also looking to build their own chips. They've already helped Intel make AI chips.

    https://www.networkworld.com/articl...oking-to-build-its-own-data-center-chips.html

    Facebook is more than social media

    But let’s not forget that Facebook is in the consumer hardware business. It owns Oculus, the virtual reality headset maker. Next month it will launch Oculus Go, a $200 headset, and it is powered by a Qualcomm processor. The company is also believed to be working on a “smart speaker” that would compete with Amazon’s Echo and Apple’s HomePod, the latter of which is reported to be a dud in the marketplace.

    It wouldn’t be Facebook’s first foray into silicon. It partnered with Intel last year to help the chip giant develop its own AI processor. But this would be a first for Facebook if it’s looking to make its own silicon.
     
  11. C DM macrumors Sandy Bridge

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    They are still fairly separate entities in many ways.
     
  12. tallii4 macrumors newbie

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    Having worked for Oculus (part of Facebook) and having worked for Apple, Facebook's culture is significantly more fun, their benefits are SIGNIFICANTLY better, they pay a lot better for the same type of role, and they have free "good" food. The biggest downsides are that there seem to be a lot of org restructures which piss people off, and the review process is unnecessarily cutthroat.
     
  13. rafark macrumors 6502a

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    First of all, sorry for being a bit rude in my OP.

    To answer your question: their entire revenue is based on the perfomance of their software.
     
  14. SirithX macrumors 6502

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    Reading this thread makes my head hurt. The ignorance on display is astounding, about both how tech companies operate and how businesses invest in a variety of indirect ways to make money.
     
  15. FreeState macrumors 68000

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    That and they claim your ranking is not dependent on whether you pay them or not. Three years in as a paying customer (business side) I can guarantee you that is incorrect (we track our competitors and can tell if they pay or not and it most definitely effects your rankings).
     
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    Totally irrelevant. Like a lot of tech companies ( businesses in general ), software supports / drives their business in order to make money.
     
  17. Gudi macrumors 68030

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    macOS has an over 90% market share for $1,000+ computers, on which Apple makes more profit than all Windows OEMs combined; same with iOS vs Android. When you create tremendous value in new technology, you’re usually able to monetize it somehow. Xerox failed to turn innovations into products, but others did. So we know the GUI was a great idea.

    Facebooks financial success relies mostly on big data. Particularly the sheer amount of data, not the ingenuity with which they tailor individualized advertisements. The amount of data is generated by network effects. You want to be on the same network your friends are, not on the other better one.

    I don’t see reasons beyond the natural monopoly of an irreplaceable network behind Facebooks superficial importance. FarmVille technology doesn’t impress me.
     
  18. C DM macrumors Sandy Bridge

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    Sounds like it "impresses" more than plenty of others for Facebook to be a fairly established business in the tech world.
     
  19. SirithX macrumors 6502

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    You really don't think advertisers care about the ingenuity of how they can effectively tailor their advertisements on the FB platform? You really don't think the tools and innovation in their ads tech/products does nothing to drive the huge profit margins that FB has as a company? Big data means nothing if people can't use it properly.
     
  20. sw1tcher, Dec 5, 2018
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    sw1tcher macrumors 65816

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    I'd like to see the data on this because Dell, HP, and Lenovo sell and lease huge numbers of PCs to businesses, and many of those PCs that businesses buy and lease (Lenovo ThinkPads, HP EliteBooks, Dell Latitudes and Precision workstations, etc) are $1,000+

    Then there are the gaming PCs from the big and small companies (HP Omen, Alienware, MSI, CyberPower, iBuyPower, OrginPC, Velocity Micro, Falcon Northwest, Corsair, XoticPC, etc.) which are mainly $1,000+
     
  21. sdwaltz macrumors 6502a

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    No, but everything I've ever seen suggests that both companies have horrible corporate cultures that seek to silence any point of view that isn't reflective of the top brass.
     
  22. C DM macrumors Sandy Bridge

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    Which is more or less along the lines of judging a book by its cover.
     
  23. fathergll macrumors 65816

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    All of those companies are massive with office locations around the planet. Some folks are not happy at Apple as well. I've worked at a number of large companies. Here's what i can generally offer....these companies are like relationships. When your manager is great and work is good then everything is bliss but just like a relationship it can get bad very fast within the same company. This is why so you see mixed reviews all the time. You really can't make blanket statements on companies these large. It specifically comes down to what your job title is, who you manager is, who your co workers are...etc.




    Here are the following negative reviews in the past couple months I found with a min of searching;



    "unless you work 12 hours a day, you have no chance for promotion, garbage culture, garbage cafes"

    "Highly demoralizing atmosphere. Everyone I knew and worked with was deeply depressed. There was virtually no room for advancement (though I got great reviews and salary/stock bumps each year). Everyone is so scared of the senior management and middle mgmt is terrified to take risks."

    "- At least 60-80 work weeks. Expect to work late nights, weekends, and holidays. While the company shuts down for Thanksgiving, you can expect to be working in Finance. Say goodbye to family dinners, time with friends, and any semblance of a life.
    - Low merit increases that don't even cover inflation and cost of living.
    - No annual bonus because management wants to keep it for themselves. No stock re-ups because you're a support function.
    - Management will take your work as their own and cut you out of meetings with leadership. You will not be recognized for any work you do so don't expect career mobility.
    - Too many big egos at play. Environment hostile and full of finger pointing. HR completely useless when issues are brought to their attention. You will meet more jerkholes here than anywhere else you may have worked in the past or future.
    - Expect to work during vacations. Everyone's job is so pigeon holed in their job that there's no one to adequately back you up. Work will just keep piling up and you will be even farther behind if you do not log in.
    - Management will not hesitate to contact you on your personal cell phone during all hours of the day. They don't care what you're doing, only that they need something from you.
    - Despite producing great products, the company does a pathetic job investing in systems to help employees manage the massive amount of work and pace. The processes are outdated, not scaled to handle the work volume, and employee inputs are not taken in consideration. Those employee surveys are a complete joke.
    - The turnover is atrocious. Expect close to 100% turnover on an annual basis. There was an employee on my team who turned in her resignation after a month. It's no wonder there are so many open reqs on the company website all the time."
     
  24. sdwaltz macrumors 6502a

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    The tales of James Damore (Google) and Palmer Luckey (Facebook) should tell you everything you need to know about the internal cultures of both companies.
     
  25. C DM macrumors Sandy Bridge

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    Individual anecdotal experiences don't really tell everything or what things might be like for others.
     

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